Has Iran abandoned its ally Syria...

[Cheetah786]

I have a problem with Iran's perverted ideological foreign policy targeting the Muslim World.

Clearly since you love peace and house of saud. i bet you signed the petition going around asking osama bin pig, be declared humanitarian of the century and given noble peace prize.

A long list of Muslim countries since they joined the Axis of Evil to buy time for their nuclear program.

Name the countries

 

[Hiptullha]

why would you have objections to the below...
the "communist society for all humans" is the end vision of modern socialism... it is a human-wide society where governments have fallen, national militaries have been disbanded, oppressions through money, tradition or family have been abolished, and people rule themselves ( self-governance )... this has essentially been the vision from the old greek philosophers who spoke of democracy ( demokratia, demokratos )... down to christianity and islam... down to the french revolution... down to the russian revolution and after... down to the libyan jamahiriya... a continuous refinement and progression...
it is time to take humanity to the next step towards the "communist society".

It can't work, buddy. That's the problem.

 

[Cyberian]

Clearly since you love peace and house of saud. i bet you signed the petition going around asking osama bin pig, be declared humanitarian of the century and given noble peace prize.



Name the countries

Islamic Republic of Pakistan for starters when the Iranian regime decided to handover the blueprints of Pakistani centrifuges to the United States all the way back in 2002. Which ofcourse lead to Atomic Dad Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan having to apologise on state television to save the military and the nation from United Nations sanctions.

Have you forgotten already brother?

That's just an example of one Muslim country...

 

[jamahir]

It can't work, buddy. That's the problem.

then you make it work by joining socialist groups... why should you sit on the fence when you know of the true system for human-kind?? why should you criticize an idea that calls for justice, freedoms and progress??

and what can't work?? christianity has existed for 2000+ years, islam for 1400+ years, soviet union existed for 80+ years, libyan jamahiriya for 40 years, bolivarian venezuela has existed for 14+ years, socialist afghanistan for 10+ years, north korea for 68 years... just random samples... so, what can't work??

and why are you constantly using "buddy"?? are you in canada or usa?? or somewhere else??

and if the "occupy wall street" had thought like you... "oh, protests won't work because capitalism is big and has existed for thousands of years... oh, the occupy protests is such a bad idea."... if the "occupy wall street" people had thought like you in 2011, their protests would never have started in the first place... besides, if you are muslim then you should not be saying "it won't work"... you can call yourself muslim in 2014 because the sahaba didn't say "oh, it won't work"... instead they joined the idea of islam and initiated the spread of it all over the world.

 

[Hiptullha]

and if the "occupy wall street" had thought like you... "oh, protests won't work because capitalism is big and has existed for thousands of years... oh, the occupy protests is such a bad idea."... if the "occupy wall street" people had thought like you in 2011, their protests would never have started in the first place...

The majority were unemployed and lazy "Social Justice Warriors" who came to complain about how their Liberal Arts Degrees weren't getting them good jobs.

soviet union existed for 80+ years, libyan jamahiriya for 40 years, bolivarian venezuela has existed for 14+ years, socialist afghanistan for 10+ years, north korea for 68 years... just random samples... so, what can't work??

Notice how each and every one of them collapsed (besides NK). Notice how the majority needed to enact Draconian laws and throw people into jails to stay in power. They didn't work the way Socialism and Communism should work in theory.

then you make it work by joining socialist groups... why should you sit on the fence when you know of the true system for human-kind?? why should you criticize an idea that calls for justice, freedoms and progress??

Because those groups will be sidelined and crushed. Just look at Iran and Pakistan for example. In both countries there was a massive uprising of the Leftists in the beginning as they campaigned for greater control. Eventually, the Islamists won control. This is a pattern repeated almost everywhere.

 

[Cheetah786]

Islamic Republic of Pakistan for starters when the Iranian regime decided to handover the blueprints of Pakistani centrifuges to the United States all the way back in 2002. Which ofcourse lead to Atomic Dad Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan having to apologise on state television to save the military and the nation from United Nations sanctions.

Have you forgotten already brother?

That's just an example of one Muslim country...

LOL, are you sure I have forgotten , Since it was Libyan airliner that landed in USA with all blue prints and know how. In exchange Muammar Gaddafi had his sanctions lifted. If you recall Iranians are still under sanctions.

House of saud spend billions financing terrorist through out pakistan not exactly a secret. Practically destroyed our economy and killed 1000s . Yet you are blaming the Iranians for some thing they didn't do, but ignoring and praising the ones who actually damaged our country.

 

[jamahir]

Notice how each and every one of them collapsed (besides NK).

even bolivarian socialist venezuela remains, other than north korea, as does cuba, as does syria,.. and the rest didn't collapse by themselves... they were made to collapse by the western bloc.... either by direct western bloc invasion ( like libya, iraq, afghanistan ) or by controlling traitors ( like mikhail gorbachev in soviet union, lech walesa in poland ) or by controlling events ( like romania, east germany ) or by installing traitors ( like suharto in indonesia ).

The majority were unemployed and lazy "Social Justice Warriors" who came to complain about how their Liberal Arts Degrees weren't getting them good jobs.

but your "employed" were in capitalist finance organizations ( like citibank, goldman sachs ) or in hospitals ( making money rather than treating ) or in colleges ( again making money ) etc.

has an mba degree person contributed anything to humanity at all, or has he in reality, harmed??

some things the "occupy" people want... free medical treatment, "direct democracy", free and non-capitalist education, removal of stock exchanges... are they not protesting for a noble cause??

why should anyone do salaried jobs in the first place?? most jobs are wage-slavery which promote middle-class poverty... should money exist for no other reason than to produce some numbers in something called a stock exhange or to produce interest-based income generation in banks or to produce profits for companies whose products are not really required ( winter clothing for dogs... burqas... military armaments... gym equipment for females... silly aerated drinks... alcohol... cell phones... synthetic body deodrants ) ??

should someone die because they don't have money for immediate medical treatment?? like that four-year-old girl died just outside the jalandhar town ( india ) government hospital??

should someone die of hunger because their jobs don't exist anymore and so they don't have money to buy food?? like the 69 people dead in the darjeeling ( india ) tea plantation?? buy food which nature grows for free??

money system should be eradicated... end of story.

Notice how the majority needed to enact Draconian laws and throw people into jails to stay in power.

not to stay in power but to protect the socialist system won through sacrifices and struggle.

They didn't work the way Socialism and Communism should work in theory.

Because those groups will be sidelined and crushed.

there are two ways to make socialism and communism the governing system of a society... alone, using technological means... or by organizing a group and using technological means and other means... your choice, either way... and i will support you, either way.

Just look at Iran and Pakistan for example. In both countries there was a massive uprising of the Leftists in the beginning as they campaigned for greater control.

in both cases, the western bloc militaries ( nato ) and intelligence agencies supported the mullahs in crushing the socialists.... some times simultaneously in both places... like 1980's... usa supported zia ul haq in pakistan and khomenei in iran.

 

[Cyberian]

LOL, are you sure I have forgotten , Since it was Libyan airliner that landed in USA with all blue prints and know how. In exchange Muammar Gaddafi had his sanctions lifted. If you recall Iranians are still under sanctions.

House of saud spend billions financing terrorist through out pakistan not exactly a secret. Practically destroyed our economy and killed 1000s . Yet you are blaming the Iranians for some thing they didn't do, but ignoring and praising the ones who actually damaged our country.

The airliner? What airliner?

It was a ship heading towards Libya that was caught by the United States (I think) which had ballistic missile components in it, started the whole event.

Both Libya and Iran decided to come clean and handed over Pakistani centrifuge blueprints to the United States. The way these backstabbing regimes handed over the blueprints to the United States hurt the Pakistani military the most, that they didn't even bother to consult or inform Pakistan about their actions.

I have an interview of former President General (ret) Pervez Musharraf in my favourites in regards to how the Americans gave him the Pakistani centrifuge documents which they acquired from the backstabbing Iranian regime, should you require proof.

In regards to Saudi Arabia, if it wasn't for our honourable, kind and generous Saudi brothers, Pakistan wouldn't have acquired the nukes and the F-16s in the first place - not to mention the huge Saudi and other Arab help to Pakistan during the 1970s and the 1990s when the country was under sanctions.

 

[al-Hasani]

Why is a religiously, culturally, linguistically, ethnically and military conquered farsi troll (actually a stateless kurd in the form of Haman10) and his Indian friend allowed to troll on this section with their nonsense? Slow down on the heroin Haman. Your officer son did not rule any single territory in the Arab world. EVER. In recent times it was an Arab ruling family that ruled large parts of Arabistan and the Sultanate of Oman ruled large parts of modern-day Southern iran not more than 300 years ago. Know your place.

@SUPARCO nobody cares about that failed Mullahistan pariah state on this section as long as they do not keep meddling in the ancient and vast Arab world. Instead they should worry about Tajikistan, Afghanistan and their likes.

We appreciate your support but please don't make such threads as they attract trolls. Yemen is firmly in control of the GCC and will remain as such being an integral part of the ancient and beautiful Arabian Peninsula. The Houthi terrorist cult is on loan and they are not capable of threatening anyone other than unarmed peasants in their mountain strongholds or corrupt parts of the army high on qat. If necessary KSA will bomb them back to the stone age AGAIN.

@jamahir you are an Indian for God's sake. Stop acting like an Arab. An Indian being into Arab nationalism (the commie form propagandized under failures such as Gaddafi and others) is like if an Arab was into Papuan nationalism.

 

[jamahir]

when the cat is away, the mice will play...

@al-Hasani, i don't see why you, a saudi nationalist, should be patronizing and arrogant to me, a socialist... in all my posts, there is not one post where i give legitimacy to india... and your nation, "the kingdom", was created by usa and britain, same as with india... your nation is nothing except for its oil-fields and presence of makkah/madeena within its territory... without usa military protection, you would have been long over-run by saddam's military... only the western mainstream media calls your anti-democracy king as "custodian of the two holy mosques"...

your post was full of contradiction, defensiveness and strange logic...

@jamahir you are an Indian for God's sake. Stop acting like an Arab.

what does "acting like an arab" mean?? i have no idea, so you should explain...

An Indian being into Arab nationalism... is like if an Arab was into Papuan nationalism.

by your logic, i must stop calling myself as muslim because i was not born in makkah into the quraysh tribe 1400+ years ago.

by your logic, venezuela should stop converting itself into jamahiri "direct democracy" and self-governing communes because venezuela has otherwise no connection to the libyan jamahiriya.

by your logic, the venezuelan, carlos ( the jackal ), should regret ever thinking about "world socialism", because he should have connection only to venezuela ( and spain ).

by your logic, spain should demolish all "al andalus" architecture because modern spain has no connection to the muslims of year 711 ad.

by your logic, alexander pushkin should never had been inspired by islam because he was from russia.

by your logic, no one outside russia must speak of "modern socialism" because they have no direct connection to the russian revolution of 1917, which by the way will celebrate its 100th anniversary in three years... go tell bashar al assad or the north koreans or russian communist party or the grave of jamal abdul nasser.

also, the words "arab nationalism" and "secularist" are used by bbc and cnn to deny the existence of socialism in muslim societies... do bbc and cnn ever use those words for venezuela, china or north korea?? you should go to iraqi baath movement members and tell them that they are not socialist.

(the commie form propagandized under failures such as Gaddafi and others)

by calling socialists as "commie", you join the uneducated ranks of most indian members on this forum... they too use that word quite often.

and if gaddafi was a "failure", why did it need 35+ nato militaries and dogs ( al-qaeda/taiban/ikhwaan etc ) to invade libyan jamahiriya... and why are there people's movements across the world forwarding the jamahiriya theory...

and who do you say are the "other failures like gaddafi"?? nasser?? saddam?? lenin?? kim il sung?? mao tse tung??

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the mods should ban all saudis and their fans, like they did with the hamas "clown", hazzy... and you haven't yet replied on what muammar gaddafi called your king.

 

[al-Hasani]

@jamahir

What a bunch of diarrhea. Not sure where to begin but I will make it short and quick or at least try to.
I am an Arab nationalist since I have ancestral and other ties to more than just Saudi Arabia of the Arab countries. Like most Saudi Arabians and many Arabs have actually. But I am indeed also a Saudi Arabian nationalist. Most of us are that. You are obviously clueless about KSA. Unlike your country India, KSA was never a Western colony. The current rulers of KSA, the House of Saud, already ruled most of KSA 200-250 years ago! Long before Britain even had stepped foot on the Arabian Peninsula let alone the ME.

My nation is home to the holiest of towns, ancient towns, villages and cities (among the oldest in the world), historical places, immense natural beauty of all kinds (mountains, highlands, valleys, deserts of all kinds, steppes, volcanic areas, tropical areas, 1500 mostly tropical islands, one of the longest and most beautiful coastlines, modern cities etc.).

My country is the cradle of Islam and my people created 3 of the 10 biggest empires the world has seen to date and countless of kingdoms, sheikdoms, sultanates, emirates etc. on 3 continents and also being center of many of those. My country is home to one of the oldest civilizations on earth (Dilmun) which was a trading partner of the nearby Sumerians (who claimed ancestry from Eastern Arabia as written by them in the ancient Epic of Gilgamesh) and the Indus Valley Civilization across the Arabian Sea. My country was an integral part of the first major international trade route in the world called the Incense Route that made our country one of the richest in the world together with Yemen. That was almost 3000 YEARS AGO. Also the Indian Ocean Trade.

List of largest empires - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pre-Islamic Arabia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Epic of Gilgamesh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dilmun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Incense Route - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Indian Ocean trade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

My country is also the original homeland of the Arabic language. One of the most important languages in human history and the 4th most spoken language in the world. The language of Islam moreover and the Noble Qur'an.

Arabic language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

My country is also home to proud and fiercely independent people and most of my country was never conquered by any outsider other than fellow Arab and Semites as very few other places in the world. Moreover my country was the original homeland of many of the earliest Semitic peoples.

Yes, my country has indeed been blessed with having some of the biggest natural resources in the world and we thank Allah (swt) for that. But it is not always a blessing. Sometimes it is a curse. And yes, we had periods in our history of hardship etc. Like anybody else. We have nothing to envy ANYBODY.

Do you think that you can get that through your head now?

KSA never claimed to be a Western democracy but if you start preaching about Gaddafi's Libya or Saddam's Iraq being democracies let alone the Al-Assad child-murderer then you are obviously insane. Moreover we have our own INDIGENOUS system of rule while you are just following the ideology of a German Jew.

Read the definition of Baathism and Arab nationalism and come back to me saying that an Indian like you has any connection to that. Unless you claim to be an Indian of Arab ancestry in such a case you are entitled to believe in that ideology and it would make sense. Otherwise not. Just like I could never adopt Papuan, American or whatever nationalism.

Yes, I dislike communism as that ideology is opposed to Islam and my political values which are that of conservative-liberalism. Nor do I in any way look up to North Korea, Cuba, the Soviet Union or China during Mao etc.

Do you seriously think that the King of KSA (who comes from a Royal/Ruling family that has ruled for centuries) cares about what a peasant like Gaddafi that came from nowhere and suffered from insane egomania (His King of Africa nonsense and dozens of other complete idiotic behaviors) says? Probably the "US puppet" bullshit forgetting that all your political heroes (including those in the Arab world) were Soviet puppets.

Are we clear now?

@Arabian Legend @JUBA @Mosamania @BLACKEAGLE @Yzd Khalifa @Full Moon @Frosty @Bubblegum Crisis @Altamimi @Awadd @burning_phoneix @Rakan.SA @fahd tamimi @Tihamah etc.

 

[jamahir]

@al-Hasani, you are no better than some other "celebrities" on this forum like isro2222, mujhaidind, zarvan, wolfschanzze etc who mix-up their strange understandings of the present and their hatreds along with delusionary connections to the past... and why did you underline so many statements??

you first say this...

@jamahirI am an Arab nationalist since I have ancestral and other ties to more than just Saudi Arabia of the Arab countries.

and later this...

Do you seriously think that the King of KSA (who comes from a Royal/Ruling family that has ruled for centuries) cares about what a peasant like Gaddafi that came from nowhere

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so, you are exposed as a capitalist and monarchist who discriminates people on basis of their present economic circumstances. is that what you think islam is??

and muammar gaddafi was indeed born to a shepherd family, and at the age of 27, he founded a great experimental nation and in time, he became the imaam of all muslims... and if there could be a post called "president of the world", then he is it.

having said that, i look forward to a post-religion post-money humanity where the governing system is socialism... and people like you can go to another star-system to have your pathetic kingdoms protected by some other failed-state capitalist western government.
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Unlike your country India

again the mention of india... why??

KSA was never a Western colony.

a bunch of nonsense.

the saud family ( and wahabi's ) was certainly brought into limelight by the britishers in the early 1900's and then shaped into a modern nation by usa... you cannot deny history... saudia is just a glittering taliban state, nothing more... again i say, without usa military protection, your "the kingdom" would have been long over-run by saddam''s military.

My nation is home to the holiest of towns, ancient towns, villages and cities (among the oldest in the world), historical places, immense natural beauty of all kinds (mountains, highlands, valleys, deserts of all kinds, steppes, volcanic areas, tropical areas, 1500 mostly tropical islands, one of the longest and most beautiful coastlines, modern cities etc.).

your nation, saudia, is just the inheritor of that history, nothing more... and an undeserving inheritor.

My country is the cradle of Islam and my people created 3 of the 10 biggest empires the world has seen to date and countless of kingdoms, sheikdoms, sultanates, emirates etc. on 3 continents and also being center of many of those.

1. are you saying that early islam had the same ideology as modern saudia??

2. which "3 biggest empires" are you talking about?? surely, the umayya empire has nothing to do with wahabi mullah saudia... you are more like the irani-inspired hashisheen.

3. again the mention of kingdoms... surely, kingdoms are anti-democracy... and islam promotes equality among humans... or do you believe otherwise??

4. if changez khan's mongols would take saudia ( and indeed, modern indian muslims ) as examples of islam, then they would have killed every last muslim.

My country is home to one of the oldest civilizations on earth (Dilmun) which was a trading partner of the nearby Sumerians (who claimed ancestry from Eastern Arabia as written by them in the ancient Epic of Gilgamesh) and the Indus Valley Civilization across the Arabian Sea. My country was an integral part of the first major international trade route in the world called the Incense Route that made our country one of the richest in the world together with Yemen. That was almost 3000 YEARS AGO. Also the Indian Ocean Trade.

what has all that got to do with modern saudia?? it is like hindus connecting modern india with post-alexander maurya empire which was influenced by greek culture, or even with "indus valley civilization" which was most possibly a semite or kurdi culture, with nothing to do with the iran-culture hinduism.

My country is also the original homeland of the Arabic language.

and how did you decide that?? do you mean modern saudia??

The language of Islam moreover and the Noble Qur'an.

does islam have a language?? does quran in english language cease to remain quran??

we thank Allah (swt) for that.

the wahabi, the deobandi and the ayatollai always uses "swt" and "saw" and "pbuh"... will you be a lesser muslim if you don't use that?? will you receive more "blessings" if you use that?? then explain the pathetic condition of the typical modern indian muslim... all that "pious wordings" just point to your discomfort about being a muslim within yourself... i have said this to zarvan too, a few days... you are a for-show muslim, someone who engages in competitions of "pious behaviour" just to show others that you are "more muslim" than them.

KSA never claimed to be a Western democracy

why did i say that??

but if you start preaching about Gaddafi's Libya or Saddam's Iraq being democracies let alone the Al-Assad child-murderer then you are obviously insane.

majority of syrians will disagree with you... they will call you "voice of white house"... indeed, the syrian army ( majority sunni ) may decide to execute you.

@Syrian Lion @SyrianChristianPatriot

Moreover we have our own INDIGENOUS system of rule

wahabi?? nejdi?? inspired by iran mullahs??

while you are just following the ideology of a German Jew.

who followed with ideas of democracy and justice sought all through humanity, not least by hazrat isa and hazrat muhammad.

Yes, I dislike communism as that ideology is opposed to Islam and my political values which are that of conservative-liberalism.

modern socialism is the continuation of islam, christianity and all the old movements which spoken of justice, freedoms, progress... which spoke of removing the oppressions by money... which spoke of democracy... against class hierarchy... and here you are, promoting the idea of "kingdoms" and "emirates".

Read the definition of Baathism and Arab nationalism and come back to me saying that an Indian like you has any connection to that.

baathism is west-asian socialism... and socialism considers the idea of "nationalism" to be obsolete and anti-democratic... this much i meant in my previous post... so what are you saying??

Unless you claim to be an Indian of Arab ancestry

even if i have arab ancestry or turk or central asian, i don't care... i am because i am.

Probably the "US puppet" bullshit forgetting that all your political heroes (including those in the Arab world) were Soviet puppets.

1. there was a soviet edition ( russian language ) of the "green book" which of course defines the political, social, economic theory followed in the libyan jamahiriya, or to be followed as overall theory by any jamahiriya society.

2. no true socialist can be a puppet because otherwise he negates socialism... and "puppet" is certainly not the term to describe nasser, muammar, siad barre, carlos or saddam.

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edit : i will ask all those you tagged to read my previous exchanges with @Hiptullha on this thread.
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edit : do read ( Mandela and Gaddafi: the myth of the Saint and the Mad Dog - English pravda.ru ).

 

[al-Hasani]

@al-Hasani, you are no better than some other "celebrities" on this forum like isro2222, mujhaidind, zarvan, wolfschanzze etc who mix-up their strange understandings of the present and their hatreds along with delusionary connections to the past... and why did you underline so many statements??

you first say this...



and later this...



so, you are exposed as a capitalist and monarchist who discriminates people on basis of their present economic circumstances. is that what you think islam is??

and muammar gaddafi was indeed born to a shepherd family, and at the age of 27, he founded a great experimental nation and in time, he became the imaam of all muslims... and if there could be a post called "president of the world", then he is it.

having said that, i look forward to a post-religion post-money humanity where the governing system is socialism... and people like you can go to another star-system to have your pathetic kingdoms protected by some other failed-state capitalist western government.

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again the mention of india... why??



a bunch of nonsense.

the saud family ( and wahabi's ) was certainly brought into limelight by the britishers in the early 1900's and then shaped into a modern nation by usa... you cannot deny history... saudia is just a glittering taliban state, nothing more... again i say, without usa military protection, your "the kingdom" would have been long over-run by saddam''s military.



your nation, saudia, is just the inheritor of that history, nothing more... and an undeserving inheritor.



1. are you saying that early islam had the same ideology as modern saudia??

2. which "3 biggest empires" are you talking about?? surely, the umayya empire has nothing to do with wahabi mullah saudia... you are more like the irani-inspired hashisheen.

3. again the mention of kingdoms... surely, kingdoms are anti-democracy... and islam promotes equality among humans... or do you believe otherwise??

4. if chengez khan's mongols would take saudia ( and indeed, modern indian muslims ) as examples of islam, then they would have killed every last muslim.



what has all that got to do with modern saudia?? it is like hindus connecting modern india with post-alexander maurya empire which was influenced by greek culture, or even with "indus valley civilization" which was most possibly a semite or kurdi culture, with nothing to do with the iran-culture hinduism.



and how did you decide that?? do you mean modern saudia??



does islam have a language?? does quran in english language cease to remain quran??



the wahabi, the deobandi and the ayatollai always uses "swt" and "saw" and "pbuh"... will you be a lesser muslim if you don't use that?? will you receive more "blessings" if you use that?? then explain the pathetic condition of the typical modern indian muslim... all that "pious wordings" just point to your discomfort about being a muslim within yourself... i have said this to zarvan too, a few days... you are a for-show muslim, someone who engages in competitions of "pious behaviour" just to show others that you are "more muslim" than them.



why did i say that??



majority of syrians will disagree with you... they will call you "voice of white house"... indeed, the syrian army ( majority sunni ) may decide to execute you.

@Syrian Lion @SyrianChristianPatriot



wahabi?? nejdi?? inspired by iran mullahs??



who followed with ideas of democracy and justice sought all through humanity, not least by hazrat isa and hazrat muhammad.



modern socialism is the continuation of islam, christianity and all the old movements which spoken of justice, freedoms, progress... which spoke of removing the oppressions by money... which spoke of democracy... against class hierarchy... and here you are, promoting the idea of "kingdoms" and "emirates".



baathism is west-asian socialism... and socialism considers the idea of "nationalism" to be obsolete and anti-democratic... this much i meant in my previous post... so what are you saying??



even if i have arab ancestry or turk or central asian, i don't care... i am because i am.



1. there was a soviet edition ( russian language ) of the "green book" which of course defines the political, social, economic theory followed in the libyan jamahiriya, or to be followed as overall theory by any jamahiriya society.

2. no true socialist can be a puppet because otherwise he negates socialism... and "puppet" is certainly not the term to describe nasser, muammar, siad barre, carlos or saddam.

Ok, I see that it took you close to 3 hours to write that post. Let me try to answer it quickly.

Historical facts are historical facts. You made an initial nonsense claim and I obviously put your nonsense claim down. Very clearly and in a detailed manner.

You obviously have no clue about Arab nationalism or nationalism as a whole. Baathism (which again has several branches and have differed in its practical use depending on the ruler, situation etc. (look at Iraq for instance or Syria) is a small part of the Arab nationalist (movement).

Anyway you don't know this since you are not an Arab and do not speak Arabic but every single Arab has Arab nationalism in the sense that he is proud of being an Arab and adheres to Arab culture, customs etc.

Who told you that I am a monarchist? Capitalist? Are people still using that term in the year 2014? Really? Gaddafi was a mixed Arab-Berber Bedouin/son of a country peasant. My point is why should King Abdullah, who comes from a royal/ruling family and is educated care what a person like Gaddafi says? What is Gaddafi to him?

"Imam of the Muslims"? Are you insane?

Because you are an Indian and you have addressed my ethnicity in this debate and that of others. But we are not allowed to address your nationality? I have no idea which ethnic group you belong to in India as there are hundreds.

Did you just invent that fairytale? You obviously have no clue about who ruled the vast majority of current day KSA before 1932. You do know that KSA and for instance Iraq might be new nation states but it lands are home to ancient civilizations. The Al-Saud family was ruling what is now large parts of modern-day KSA HUNDREDS of years before the Brits stepped on the Arabian Peninsula and the ME.

Let me educate you a bit once again;

Kingdom of Nejd and Hejaz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sultanate of Nejd - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Emirate of Nejd and Hasa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Emirate of Nejd - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Emirate of Diriyah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh, and this is only the House of Saud. There were dozens of other dynasties that ruled various provinces of modern-day KSA. The House of Saud were just those that united KSA.

Who decides who is a deserving and undeserving inheritor of history? You? Are you joking? Facts are facts and that's the important part. Whether you think it is deserving or me, or your neighbor is irrelevant.

Arabic langauge originated in what is now modern-day KSA like other Semitic languages. If KSA changes it's name to Gaddafistan tomorrow that will still be the case. The actual land is not movable regardless of name. You must know that.

Islam is Islam.

The Rashidun Caliphate (first Muslim Caliphate) emerged in Hijaz (modern-day KSA) so did all of its rulers. Same with the Umayyad and Abbasid Caliphate. And the Fatimid Caliphate for the Shias. They were ruled by Caliphs from modern-day KSA and dynasties.

I wrote Kingdoms, Emirates, Sheikdoms, Sultanates etc. on 3 continents. Before the notion of liberalism and socialism ALL Muslim rulers ruled by Islam. As a Muslim you should know that.

The Indus Valley Civilization might have originated in the ME (some say this is the case) but I was just talking about Pre-Islamic times.

No, but Arabic is the lingua franca of Islam and the Noble Qur'an was written in Arabic and you perform your prayers in Arabic. It's one of the most important languages in human history and the 4th most spoken today.

LOL, what? It is a sign of respect to write saws and swt. This has nothing to do with being superficial. Do you address your parents and elders with respect or not and if you do, do you then consider it superficial? I do not claim to be pious nor a Mullah. So drop that kind of talk. On the other hand people who make such accusations are often the ones that have a problem.

You implied that I have written that.

Most of the Sunni Muslim army of Al-Assad have defected. But don't worry about that they are already doing an excellent job (unfortunately) of killing Syrians and Muslims in the thousands and destroying whole villages, cities and towns.

No, an Islamic system and local cultural traditions. All indigenous. Prove me otherwise, will you?

Why do you need to follow a German Jew when you can follow Islam?

Yet for all those beautiful words all the socialist countries (bar a few) have been utter failures, killed more of their citizens then any other ideology, and the rulers have always acted like dictators.

Baathism West-Asian socialism? What does that even mean? Baathism is a branch of Arab nationalism. A social form. That's it.

Yes, but normally nationalistic ideologies are confined to people of that nationality. That's pretty logical is it not?

Then how come all of those were Soviet puppets and client states?

Anyway you can be a Muslim and socialist for all I care but it is blasphemous to call Gaddafi the "Imam of all Muslims" and other such nonsense.

Let me ask you a question. You are against Islamic rule it seems. So are you more socialist/communist or Muslim? Make up your mind.

See, it took me 22 minutes to reply to you while I was doing other errands. Anyway I don't think that there is more to discuss. As I said believe in what you want to believe in. I am not stopping you but I will obviously reserve my right to counter nonsense/historical lies/views that go against Islam etc. if I see that.

I have nothing against you otherwise.

 

[jamahir]

Baathism West-Asian socialism? What does that even mean? Baathism is a branch of Arab nationalism. A social form. That's it.

my friend, you should find the nearest baathi office and tell them that... and please do inform me of their opinions.

Anyway you can be a Muslim and socialist for all I care but it is blasphemous to call Gaddafi the "Imam of all Muslims" and other such nonsense.

so it is not blasphemous to call that criminal and cia-puppet , al-baghdadi, as "khalifa of all muslims" or the cia-creation, the taliban, as muslim?? and what is this idea of "blasphemy" anyway??

and yes, hundred times yes, muammar gaddafi is the present imaam of all muslims ( even if dead )... as agree do most libyans ( “95% of the Libyans want to go back to pre-2011 situation” – interview with Mohammed Al-Fatah | Ila el amam! )... those who don't accept that of course accept the leadership of the white house.

muammar gaddafi, in his own words...

nato had to begin a huge invasion to stop his speeches, and that slogan from 2011, allah, muammar, libya bas...

So are you more socialist/communist or Muslim?

i am all that... and to repeat...i look forward and participate in creating a post-religion post-money humanity where the governing system is the scientific and natural system of socialism.

I have nothing against you otherwise.

same here.

 

[al-Hasani]

my friend, you should find the nearest baathi office and tell them that... and please do inform me of their opinions.



so it is not blasphemous to call that criminal and cia-puppet , al-baghdadi, as "khalifa of all muslims" or the cia-creation, the taliban, as muslim?? and what is this idea of "blasphemy" anyway??

and yes, hundred times yes, muammar gaddafi is the present imaam of all muslims ( even if dead )... as agree do most libyans ( “95% of the Libyans want to go back to pre-2011 situation” – interview with Mohammed Al-Fatah | Ila el amam! )... those who don't accept that of course accept the leadership of the white house.

muammar gaddafi, in his own words...

nato had to begin a huge invasion to stop his speeches, and that slogan from 2011, allah, muammar, libya bas...



i am all that... and to repeat...i look forward and participate in creating a post-religion post-money humanity where the governing system is the scientific and natural system of socialism.



same here.

Look, mate, I know Ba'athism. I got relatives in Iraq that lived through the era of Ba'ath Iraq. I know their ideology which they strangely never have followed and like other rulers in ME they often turned around whenever it suited them. Saddam was a hardcore Arab nationalist at first, then he experimented with Iraqi nationalism and mixed the ancient Semitic civilizations and their identity with the Semitic Arab identity. What he called Iraqi nationalism. Then he started a "religious campaign" during the Iraq-Iran war and during the 1990's. Same with the other Arab nationalist rulers. This is why that kind of Arab nationalism largely failed. Gaddafi was the same. One time arch-enemy of the West then friend etc. First pan-Arab then Pan-African (King of Africa etc. nonsense) etc.

Where does ISIS suddenly come from? I do not care about them and consider them a terrorist group and as totally misguided people nor do I consider Mr. Ibrahim ibn Awwad ibn Ibrahim ibn Ali ibn Muhammad al-Badri al-Samarrai as Caliph. This is an insult to Islamic history and Islam. Always have. Read my initial posts on this forum even.

Please mate. "Imam of all Muslims"? 95% of all Libyans? Come on, man. Stop it.

No offense but Gaddafi was a madman. I mean you have tons of material that support this. From speeches, dresses, behavior, egomaniacal behavior etc.

Look, Islam and Socialism have some similarities but can you name a single socialist country that was not oppressive, an economic failure, did not limit the personal freedom of people, who were not brutal etc.?

The only socialist country that I respect (which is not fully socialist anyway) is Venezuela. China is not really socialist either. It's a fully capitalist country more or less.