Has Iran abandoned its ally Syria...

[PeaceGen]

now, why should nato militaries just happen to provide money support or aircraft support to such "rebels"?? why should nato prepare to invade libya despite russian satellite imagery proof that libyan airforce was not bombarding libyan cities?? had muammar gaddafi and the libyan military suddenly turned mad because of some strange disease?? or could the entire thing have been a plot to remove the last remaining socialist muslim nations?? nato had already done away with socialist afghanistan, socialist somalia, saddam's iraq and gaza governed by plo... and there remained syria and libyan jamahiriya and also socialistic algeria, and libya-friendly and major state, egypt... and tunisia was the closest to start this plot from...
of course, these are questions for you to think about.

Because muslims tend to share the wealth only among their own tribe, not among all muslims.

Assad? A hero? Get real, buddy. There's a reason why there's a massive resistance against him. Yes, the US has been extremely supportive of the Syrian resistance, but it was the actions of the regime that led to this immense crisis.
I see you're a socialist. Perhaps it's your socialist bias which has led you to support men like Saddam and Gaddafi.



The Iranian foreign policy is the other side to the same coin, buddy. If Russia was dominant right now, the Yanks weren't as powerful, and the monarchies weren't on the winning side, I'd be sure to bet we'd be seeing Shi'ite terrorist organisations running around doing the same thing Sunni terrorist organisations are doing. Neither side is doing any good. If anything, they're marching the entire region backwards in their quest to annihilate the other.

the problem is all Qurans and imams who advocate their own religious rules should apply to all humans. and that those of another faith are valid to kill / harm. this is a lie by Shaitan, who runs extremist islam in reality, is my current thinking.

 

[Black Widow]

I am an Indian and I am with Shias, Iran and Syria...

In India Shias are wonderful people. The Shias of Gujrat have tremendous business skills. When They were persecuted by Sunnis they took shelter to Gujrat, now they are repaying the gratitude by making India wealthy...

The Shias in India strictly follow law of land and they have small family. They are well educated and well mannered..

Some one truly said "Every person is representative of his/her religion/country". The perception is made on act of majority..

 

[Murat Sulemaniyyeh]

I am an Indian and I am with Shias, Iran and Syria...

In India Shias are wonderful people. The Shias of Gujrat have tremendous business skills. When They were persecuted by Sunnis they took shelter to Gujrat, now they are repaying the gratitude by making India wealthy...

The Shias in India strictly follow law of land and they have small family. They are well educated and well mannered..

Some one truly said "Every person is representative of his/her religion/country". The perception is made on act of majority..

This right after you insulted Allah, Muhammad, Quran, and Sahabah. Now you enjoy playing the sectarian card. We Muslims see through your bigotry for what it is. Gujurat violence claimed Shia lives as well. Punjab partition Shias were massacred by Hindus/Sikhs. Indian soldiers regularly desecrate Shia mosques and kill Shia students in Kashmir. Shame on you.

When Hindus kill Muslims, they can't discriminate between Sunni, Shia, or even Non-Muslims like Ahmadiyyas.

 

[SOHEIL]

Let's wait & see...

 

[Black Widow]

This right after you insulted Allah, Muhammad, Quran, and Sahabah. Now you enjoy playing the sectarian card. We Muslims see through your bigotry for what it is. Gujurat violence claimed Shia lives as well. Punjab partition Shias were massacred by Hindus/Sikhs. Indian soldiers regularly desecrate Shia mosques and kill Shia students in Kashmir. Shame on you.

When Hindus kill Muslims, they can't discriminate between Sunni, Shia, or even Non-Muslims like Ahmadiyyas.

I didn't insulted any one... Its just your thin skin which take truth as insult... Tell me which one is incorrect?
1. Muslims believe that when Muhammad received the revelations that have been compiled to make up the Quran, he received them word for word, directly from Allah. As such, Allah is thought to be the actual author of the Quran. The Quran is thus intended to be read as if it is Allah speaking directly in the first person. ---Its just belief, no fact to corroborate it.

2. Allah was the name of moon God in one of many tribe thriving in Arabia.
--Allah as Moon-God is a claim put forth by some that the Islamic name for God, Allah, derives from a paganMoon god in local Arabic mythology.

3. the Greek historian Diodorus Siculus who lived between 60 BCE and 30 BCE writes about the isolated region of Arabia in his work Bibliotheca historicadescribing a holy shrine that Muslims see as referring to the Kaaba at Mecca "And a temple has been set up there, which is very holy and exceedingly revered by all Arabians" --> so ur prophet captured the temple and converted to mosque.

Liek wise there are many inconvenient truth which you hide under name of faith..

 

[Murat Sulemaniyyeh]

I didn't insulted any one... Its just your thin skin which take truth as insult... Tell me which one is incorrect?
1. Muslims believe ... (blah blah blah)

Take your religious crusade elsewhere. Back to the topic.

 

[Maaaz Khan]

Iran was never an ally of syria as i read many books on it, it's just a mis-concept of many people.

 

[Black Widow]

And about Shia whatever I said is truth.. Ask any Indian they feel same about Shia..

And why not we feel so? Shias/Parsi/Jews/Punjabis have so much for country

 

[Murat Sulemaniyyeh]

Pres. Morsi wanted to sit with Iran, Turkey, Qatar, and resolve the Syria conflict before it got out of hand. Its a fallacy that Sunnis and Shias don't get along. Morsi was removed before who could bring normalcy to the region. He was representing the Muslim Brotherhood (Sunni Islamic movement), but he was popular in Iran, Turkey, Pakistan, Qatar and other places also among both Sunni/Shia Muslims.

 

[Black Widow]

Take your religious crusade elsewhere. Back to the topic.

Just contradict me... Whatever I posted here, Is anything wrong? Most of the things are documented by Roamn, greek historians..

Holy book can not be book of History and Science.. In India ppl claim that Geetha is scientific or historical... How can it be?? Its philosophy, its not history..

I Hate American policies on Syria, I hope Modijee Send some weapons to Asad to retain Syria..

Saddam was cruel but under him at least terrorism was under control..

 

[Murat Sulemaniyyeh]

Just contradict me... Whatever I posted here, Is anything wrong? Most of the things are documented by Roamn, greek historians..

"As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; They will not believe. "Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing and on their eyes is a veil. Great is the penalty they incur." [Al-Qur'an 2:6-7]

 

[ResurgentIran]

 

[Black Widow]

"As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; They will not believe. "Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing and on their eyes is a veil. Great is the penalty they incur." [Al-Qur'an 2:6-7]

You are referring a book which has no scientific validity, Its just a book of belief.. Give me some historical facts...
historical facts:

according to Islamic tradition, Muhammad began receiving divine revelations from God through the ArchangelGabriel in 610 AD, and advocated his form of Abrahamic monotheism against Meccan paganism. After enduring persecution from the pagan tribes for 13 years, Muhammad emigrated (see Hijra) in 622 with his companions, the Muhajirun, to Yathrib (later called Medina). The conflict between the Quraysh and the Muslims, however, continued: The two fought in the Battle of Badr, where the Muslims defeated the Quraysh outside Medina; while the Battle of Uhudended indecisively. Overall, Meccan efforts to annihilate Islam failed and proved to be costly and unsuccessful.


Muhammad and his companions, now 10,000 strong, marched into Mecca. However, instead of continuing their fight, the city of Mecca surrendered to Muhammad, who declared peace and amnesty for its inhabitants. The pagan imagery was destroyed by Muhammad's followers

 

[Hiptullha]

the kurd, sultan salahuddin ayyubi, a hero of saddam... and i remember hearing somewhere or reading somewhere, the kurd nationalists ( pro-kurdistan ) had good dealings with the baathi iraqi government for quite many years... it is possible for the socialist origin "pkk" movement to have contacts with saddam's government... maybe @kurd123 and @Al-Kurdi can give us some info.
edit : and surely, from a socialist point of view, the baathi people ( socialist ) must have found the idea of "kurdistan" ( a nation for kurds ) quite silly... after all, there was no seperate iraq for sunni, shia, christian etc.
the christian and assyrian, tariq aziz ( mikhail yuhanna ), was the last deputy prime minister of independent iraq... baathi iraq.
Tariq Aziz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
and see his strange connection to me...
"In 1963, he was editor of the newspaper Aj-Jamahir (al-Jamaheer) and al Thawra, the newspaper of the Ba'ath party.[8]"
i give you words about him and from him ( 2012 ) from a organization much more credible than any western main stream organization...
IRAQ: Tariq Aziz: “They Killed our Country. We are all Victims of Britain and America” | Global Research
-----> this is him...
“There is nothing here any more. Nothing. For thirty years Saddam built Iraq, and now it is destroyed. There are more sick than before, more hungry. The people don’t have services. People are being killed every day in the tens, if not hundreds. We are all victims of America and Britain. They killed our country.”
-----> this is about him...
"He talked of the Iraq, prior to the invasion, feeling vulnerable to Iran, the US and Britain. It was this feeling of vulnerability which led, for a long time to Iraq not saying categorically it had no weapons of mass destruction."
"Tariq Aziz has to be top of the list. The fiercely patriotic, nationalistic reminder of an illegally overthrown government, which, whatever else, had put Iraq first and poured the country’s oil revenues in to health- care, education, clean water, modern infrastructure, turning a beautiful, but run down “third world” country in to a “near first world” one, to use the West’s patronizing patois."
-----> this is him, again...
Further: “We are Arabs, we are Arab nationalists. We must be proud.”
-----> this is about him, again...
"A Christian, he is also reminder of the secular nature of the previous regime, in a country now riven with sectarian divides. “Divide and rule” played to murderous perfection. By 2006 half of Iraq’s Christians had fled the country fearing for their lives(ii), thousands more have fled since."
-----> this is his daughter, zainab...
“My father served his country for more than twenty two years. He delivered himself to the US Army (after the fall of Hussein) because he wasn’t afraid. He didn’t do anything wrong. He served his country,” Aziz’s daughter, Zainab Aziz, has said. “He has been wronged.”
-----> there is lot more in that article... and you know, there was a bbc world service radio report before 2003 about saddam, and i used to listen to bbc then... the report complained about saddam renovating ( in their words, "destroying" ) an ancient iraqi building... must have been assyrian, i don't remember exactly... and remember, it was the usa army tanks which destroyed those ancient iraqi buildings which stood there for thousands of years... it was the usa army assisting those looters to destroy iraqi mu

One Kurd in a high position doesn't mean anything. Look at America. Their president is an African-American yet just the last few weeks we saw the issue of police brutality and how blacks are treated by the state. Most blacks have no faith in the establishment. Just because one Assyrian or Kurd was a senior member of the government changes nothing.

Global Research is not credible, sorry. It's a website housing a number of conspiracy theories.

it is the same cia-funded regime-change case-maker like "amnesty international" or "uno human rights commission"... your two hrw links are from 2012... march and after... by which time one whole year of al-qaeda/taliban/ikhwaan crimes had passed by... naturally, such crimes ( of whose photos, not allowed to be posted here )... such crimes could not be hidden any longer by bbc or al jazeera... so this "human rights watch" and the white house were "sad" when talking about events in syria... all white wash... why was "human rights watch" silent one whole year?? did the crimes in syria by the "opposition" occur on "planet 47" in the sirius star system??

It was until the late 2013 and early 2014 that the whole Syria movement was gaining less support. 2011-2012, there was still enthusiasm for the rebel cause. I believe the UNO Human Rights Commission was the organisation which refuted the widespread belief that Assad was using chemicals and infact, it was rebels who were doing it.
They report when they see something, buddy.

same case as first paragraph... bahrain could not be hidden any longer... bahrain royal family ( monarchy, not democracy ) had sent their soldiers to fight in libya and syria, but bahrain itself was seeing protests by shia citizens... so, non-western news agencies were questioning the hypocrisy.
i didn't understand about the iraq part... what was hiltermann saying about iraq??

Hiltermann wasn't non-Western. If he was working for organisations such as Human Rights Commission, how is he Non-Western? He was more interested in Iraq than Libya and Syria because Iraq is his region of interest.

no... the usa government ( and british government ) was just waiting ( or hoping ) for instability in iraq... just like how hyenas will wait for two leopards to become tired after quarreling and then move in for the kill.

And then they came to Saddam with offers of support which he happily accepted.

that is quite an under-statement.

Besides Iran-Contra affair, we've seen very little.

above all, why are you so reluctant in respecting socialism??

Leftist ideologies are out of touch with reality. They seek to turn man into something he isn't.

 

[jamahir]

Leftist ideologies are out of touch with reality. They seek to turn man into something he isn't.

why would you have objections to the below...

the "communist society for all humans" is the end vision of modern socialism... it is a human-wide society where governments have fallen, national militaries have been disbanded, oppressions through money, tradition or family have been abolished, and people rule themselves ( self-governance )... this has essentially been the vision from the old greek philosophers who spoke of democracy ( demokratia, demokratos )... down to christianity and islam... down to the french revolution... down to the russian revolution and after... down to the libyan jamahiriya... a continuous refinement and progression...

it is time to take humanity to the next step towards the "communist society".

@Ailurus fulgens, @KingMamba, @Azlan Haider, @Owl of Abott , @levina, @jbgt90, @halupridol, @genmirajborgza786 ... your thoughts on the above please.

Because muslims tend to share the wealth only among their own tribe, not among all muslims.

not true. reality is...

before the 2011 nato invasion, libyan jamahiriya was inviting people from all over africa to come do agriculture in libya because libya had abdundant water ( through the "great man made river" project ) and because of libya's socialist system which provided facilities or tools either free of cost or at lowest cost.

another libyan jamahiriya plan was to create a visa-free transnational city within libya where business people from all over the world can set up offices or production plants in that city and make use of libyan socialist policies... fantastic idea.

somalia in its socialist years had promoted a national socialist identity among its various peoples and forced them to abandon their tribal identities.

muammar gaddafi is the present imaam of all muslims... and he can also be called "president of the world", if he's alive.

hugo chavez, the great leader of bolivarian south america, had begun to convert venezuela into self-governing areas called "communas" ( communes ) which essentially is the "basic people's congress" from the green book from libyan jamahiriya.

every socialist muslim nation used their wealth, resources and land to provide support to anti-capitalist freedom movements and real revolutionaries all over the world... like libyan jamahiriya support for "african national congress" ( and nelson mandela ) and like baathi iraq supported "mujahideen e khalq" group of iran.

the gulf nations ( gcc ) like saudia, and others like mullah-ruled iran or brunei cannot be called "muslim".

the problem is all Qurans and imams who advocate their own religious rules should apply to all humans

what is "all qurans"??

this is a lie by Shaitan, who runs extremist islam in reality, is my current thinking.

true... if by "extremist islam" you mean the mullahs... because there is no concept of "priest" in islam... the quran is for all... to be read by all... not by some "agent of god".

I am an Indian and I am with Shias, Iran and Syria...

syria is a socialist society, guided by the arab baath socialist movement... same movement as in saddam time iraq... so do you support socialism and want it in india?? remember, socialism is the opposite of indian culture and gandhi's ram-rajya village society...

The Shias in India strictly follow law of land

what is this "law of the land" that i hear so often in india??