Hangor Class Submarine Project | Updates & Discussions

[The Accountant]

Because of their sound right?

Yup ...

 

[Keysersoze]

Nuclear submarine are easy to detect

If they were no one would use them.....

Yup ...

A diesel is quieter but has it's own set if weaknesses.

 

[The Accountant]

If they were no one would use them.....


A diesel is quieter but has it's own set if weaknesses.

There are 2 main objectives of nuclear submarines ... to protect aircraft carriers ... air craft carriers remains in mid oceans for months and they need protection from under water threat ... nuclear submarines do not need to resurface for refuelling and there is also no need to be afraid of giving away the location as they have protection from air and sea threats and everybody knows that there r subs with the CBG hence they r more suited for carier battle group ...

Second main objective that can be obtained by a nuclear sub only is the range ... US cannot monitor south china sea with a convential sub ...

In case of Pakistan we dont have a carrier battle group and as of now we need to strike our next door neighbour only ... hence nuclear sub might be necessity for US russia china and india but they r not a necessity for us ...

 

[MIRauf]

SSN have speed that SSK w/AIP can't match. To get to the Bay of Bengal and to threaten Eastern India with second strike ( Cruise Missiles ) you will need the speed of SSN or have enough SSK to station one there on rotating bases. Stationing a SSK in the Bay of Bengal will mean that either you have third country where it could refuel and rest or be deployed for short duration.

PN will need about 18 SSKs, 11/12 for Pak Maritime, Pak EEZ and Western India and about 5/6 for Western India. One on Station in Bay of Bengal, one in transition to and one in transition back, other 2/3 likely in maintenance, upgrade, rest. SSK with 40 odd day endurance will take about week or more to get to the Bay of Bengal and likely would be detected and shadowed as it will need to snorkel to recharge it batteries.

PS: Please someone don't say that we can use AIP, it will take you month to get to the Bay of Bengal, you will run out of rations or close to it before you get to the station. Please don't say we don't need to project our power in the Bay of Bengal as we have ICBM or Cruise Missiles. I am taking about SSN and its second Strike capability and why PN should have it, needs it.

Current Location: Groton CT. US, Submarine Capital of the world. Homeport to 16 Attack Submarines.

 

[Quwa]

SSN have speed that SSK w/AIP can't match. To get to the Bay of Bengal and to threaten Eastern India with second strike ( Cruise Missiles ) you will need the speed of SSN or have enough SSK to station one there on rotating bases. Stationing a SSK in the Bay of Bengal will mean that either you have third country where it could refuel and rest or be deployed for short duration.

PN will need about 18 SSKs, 11/12 for Pak Maritime, Pak EEZ and Western India and about 5/6 for Western India. One on Station in Bay of Bengal, one in transition to and one in transition back, other 2/3 likely in maintenance, upgrade, rest. SSK with 40 odd day endurance will take about week or more to get to the Bay of Bengal and likely would be detected and shadowed as it will need to snorkel to recharge it batteries.

PS: Please someone don't say that we can use AIP, it will take you month to get to the Bay of Bengal, you will run out of rations or close to it before you get to the station. Please don't say we don't need to project our power in the Bay of Bengal as we have ICBM or Cruise Missiles. I am taking about SSN and its second Strike capability and why PN should have it, needs it.

Current Location: Groton CT. US, Submarine Capital of the world. Homeport to 16 Attack Submarines.

You're right. AIP is about staying out long and quiet, so for speed and response, SSNs make sense. I don't think the PN would disagree, but the main constraints are probably technical, e.g., safety, reliability, etc.

 

[Cookie Monster]

There are 2 main objectives of nuclear submarines ... to protect aircraft carriers ... air craft carriers remains in mid oceans for months and they need protection from under water threat ... nuclear submarines do not need to resurface for refuelling and there is also no need to be afraid of giving away the location as they have protection from air and sea threats and everybody knows that there r subs with the CBG hence they r more suited for carier battle group ...

Second main objective that can be obtained by a nuclear sub only is the range ... US cannot monitor south china sea with a convential sub ...

In case of Pakistan we dont have a carrier battle group and as of now we need to strike our next door neighbour only ... hence nuclear sub might be necessity for US russia china and india but they r not a necessity for us ...

While they are not a necessity bcuz the enemy is right next door...I still think Pak should plan on eventually having boomers.

Not just the nuclear subs but also develop ICBMs with MIRV capability. Nuclear tipped ICBMs with MIRV aboard a nuclear submarine is what will give Pak a true second strike capability. It would GUARANTEE without a doubt that in any event(including that of preemptive nuclear strike on Pak by India to neutralize Pak's landbased nuclear weapons) Pak will be able to retaliate and nuke India from any part of the world.

A nuclear sub can hide for months...away from the eyes and reach of IN assets. This will ensure that no scenario exists where India can win...and hopefully this threat of MAD(with 100% reliability) will prevent wars in the future.

 

[Khafee]

While they are not a necessity bcuz the enemy is right next door...I still think Pak should plan on eventually having boomers.

Not just the nuclear subs but also develop ICBMs with MIRV capability. Nuclear tipped ICBMs with MIRV aboard a nuclear submarine is what will give Pak a true second strike capability. It would GUARANTEE without a doubt that in any event(including that of preemptive nuclear strike on Pak by India to neutralize Pak's landbased nuclear weapons) Pak will be able to retaliate and nuke India from any part of the world.

A nuclear sub can hide for months...away from the eyes and reach of IN assets. This will ensure that no scenario exists where India can win...and hopefully this threat of MAD(with 100% reliability) will prevent wars in the future.

Boomer or Mini-Boomer coming, Hang on tight, it might be a while

 

[Cookie Monster]

Boomer or Mini-Boomer coming, Hang on tight, it might be a while

If I may inquire further...is it gonna carry nuclear tipped cruise missiles or nuclear tipped ballistic missiles?

 

[Khafee]

If I may inquire further...is it gonna carry nuclear tipped cruise missiles or nuclear tipped ballistic missiles?

Both

 

[Cookie Monster]

Both

I'm even more intrigued now bcuz usually it's either one or the other.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

You are breaking very chatpati news these days bro.

Both

 

[The Accountant]

Boomer or Mini-Boomer coming, Hang on tight, it might be a while

Sir g aap kushiyan dy dy ker heart attack kerwayn gy

 

[Nasr]

PAKISTAN MINISTRY OF DEFENCE PRODUCTION CONFIRMS SUBMARINE CONTRACT

Even though Pakistan Navy's acquisition of 8 (AIP) Submarines is a leap forward in capability. There is something more important, crucial for Pakistan Navy to accomplish, and that is to have the knowledge base of nautical engineering, industrial tooling and the foundations laid for Research & Development of submarine technologies. Having Pakistani experts in this field is pivotal to Pakistan Navy's ability to absorb transfer of technology from other countries. What Pakistan ought to be doing is channeling through young Pakistanis to gain this knowledge base from other countries. Sending our young to Russia, Germany, China and France to gain Post Graduate degrees in such fields on State Sponsored Scholarships. And to build research facilities for these Pakistani graduates to hone in their skills and abilities in R&D. To generate a nucleas of Naval Combat Systems knowledge base.

It is hopeful that Pakistan's deal for 8 submarines from China, would be the step toward attaining the desired goal.

 

[Armchair]

These submarines, 4 will be built in China and the other four in Pakistan. These later for are the ones which are being speculated to be SSN/SSBN capable. They will have a small nuclear engine and enough space for a few BMs and a few cruise missiles. Multipurpose boomers, not the traditional method used by other powers of having separate SSBNs.

 

[Quwa]

These submarines, 4 will be built in China and the other four in Pakistan. These later for are the ones which are being speculated to be SSN/SSBN capable. They will have a small nuclear engine and enough space for a few BMs and a few cruise missiles. Multipurpose boomers, not the traditional method used by other powers of having separate SSBNs.

As it stands (in the public domain), all 8 are AIP/SSPs. However, seeing what the PN apparently pulled with the MILGEM (Jinnah-class) by configuring them with VLS (with zero indication of it), who knows...