Gujarat HC raps Narendra Modi govt for 'inaction' during post-Godhra riots

[brahmastra]

How many of paid channels have shown this?

 

[indianspetsnaz]

ironically the 9th Guru of the Sikhs Guru Tegh Bahadur gave sis (martyrdom) for the Brahmin Kashmiri Pandits and one of their descendants Indira Gandhi ordered the attack on their most sacred shrine which ended up destroying the Akhal Takht shrine and resulted in the death of thousands of innocent pilgrim, rape of sikh women by security forces and arrest of innocent Sikh men who were pilgrims. in the aftermath of the attack Indira was justifiably killed by her body guards this resulted in the genocide of Sikhs across north India mainly in the city of Delhi where thousands of Congress activists/supporters led by local congress leaders went out and killed Sikh men and raped Sikh women all this happened with no opposition from police or army only 3 days later did the army come and stop the rioting. more than 10,000 Sikhs were killed in that tragedy

i ask this Muslims of India how do you think you can get your justice when we are almost 30 years unpaid of our justice? thousands of Sikhs were brutally killed in 1984 and only a few hundred Muslims in the Gujarat riots, this government is not capable of prosecuting the people responsible.

 

[Kazhugu]

Satyameva Jayate....


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[Kazhugu]

Turkey may be?

with the islamist akp...? google is your best buddy...

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Now by doing so, you are feeding those communalists who pounce on every opportunity to say that you people are intolerant. Now do you want to be a fool and give them fodder. Heck, even RSS people aren't this dumb.

by doing what..? I'm just laying the facts mate....the truth is with the state of our police reforms, riots of such proportions are impossible to to be pre-empted...atleast it was contained from spreading to other districts and was done away in 2-3 days...

 

[Kazhugu]

First you say that the Britishers incorrectly named Hinduism a religion and then you yourself go back to calling Hinduism a religion. I'm not sure what you're trying to say at this point.

when did i say that ?...let me quote my post again...

hinduism was always culture oriented way of life until these islamic invader and later the britisgers came....they who practised organized, rigid religions were not able to understand that unlike theirs
hinduism was just a way of life of people in the subcontinent and named that a religion....

hinduism was just a way of life in the sub-continent before the islamic invaders and britishers came...

90% or so. But in some places - namely Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine, there are significant populations of Arab Christians, and historically, many Arabs were Christians or Jews (and going farther back simple polytheists).

And they constitute about 5% of the population.....predominantly arab culture is rooted in islam...

How is that revisionist? The prevalent theory has long been one of Aryan migration into India, and revisionism is the act of questioning the prevalent theory.

first you said invasion....now you are saying migration....there is a hell a lot of difference between those two words....and AIT has been debunked long back by many eminent historians and anthropologists....just google it...

Anyways, do you deny that there are massive linguistic differences between Indo-European and Proto-Dravidian languages? Do you deny that the Aryan culture as presented in the Vedas was a nomadic pastoral one?

Again "invasion" is different from "migration"....there might have been migration...but no invasion...and that is the difference between them and the islamic/british invasions....

As we have witnessed from the Kushan, Hunnic, Mongol, Islamic etc. invasions, India has always been invaded from the Northwest by nomads who then settle down and become civilized farmers. India is a very fertile land and nomadic pastoralism is not indigenous to India. Thus, the Aryans who practiced nomadic pastoralism were not indigenous to India.

We have to accept all these influences of people who settled into India and fused their cultures into the Indian culture.

first of all there is no "aryan" in an ethnic sense in the subcontinent...its a linguistic group....secondly kushans and the Islamic/british rule cant be compared because the kushans completely assimilated into indian culture and started following indian religions....while in the case of islamic and british invasions they did not assimilate and the culture they followed was not indigenous to the sub-continent..

yes there were influences here and there...but still the core of indian culture is derived from sanataan dharma..and that alone...our cultural identity derives from that....

we can accept them as long as they keep to themselves and dont mistake our tolerance for weakness..

 

[Kazhugu]

T
We know exactly what would happen in Syria. A small portion of the population, composed of Saudi funded wahabi fanatics would start carrying out terrorist attacks against Christians and the government would respond by massacring the terrorists. Very different from what Modi did.

u mad bro..?

if in a majority muslim country, a minority mob burns alive 59 muslims (mainly women and children) while returning from hajj then that community (minority) would be wiped clean off the slate....

no other community would be as tolerant as hindus and no country as tolerant as India....

 

[genmirajborgza786]

that is no paranoia....examples are there all over the world.....tell me one islamic country in the whole wide world that is secular , liberal,pluralistic and tolerating of other religions....none....nilch...nada....

want india to go down that route ?

my friend, that is in fact is the most safest & best suited route & of all & if you try to change the track then remember that it has the potential to derail the whole train in the process , it is not a only a route it is in fact roots of the foundation on which India was established as a country in another words it defines Indian nationalism/nationhood contrary to your sanatan dharmic based assumptions which given the ground realities is the most lethal threat to the very fabric of the nation

 

[Desi Guy]

Here is what I can get from wiki so far about Godhra :

The Sabarmati Express reached Godhra Station at 07:43 on 27 February 2002, with many Hindu pilgrims on their way back from a ceremony organised by the Vishwa Hindu Parishad at the disputed Ram Janmabhoomi site.The survivor of Godhra carnage who lost his wife in attacks recalls that 3000 strong mob of Muslims were present at Signal Falia.
After its scheduled 5 minute halt, the train was pulling out when someone pulled the chain to stop it, and stones were pelted at the train by the Muslim crowd. Then the train left, but was stopped again near a railway cabin where a large Muslim mob of about 500 attacked it. During the attack, the woman's reserved coach no. S6 burned down A total of 58 Hindu pilgrims (23 men, 15 women and 20 children) were asphyxiated in the smoke, while 250 others managed to escape.Innocent victims were tagged as Kar Sevaks and sent to Ayodhya.
The train was stopped and came under attack at Signal Fadia (sometimes misspelled as Signal Falia), near Godhra Junction, by a mob presumed to be Ghanchi Muslims.

The Tribune reported:
As the train left Godhra station, one of the miscreants who had boarded it, pulled the chain alarm after some time to halt the train a km away. It was here that a large number of stone-pelting miscreants set the coach ablaze by throwing petrol bombs and dousing it with kerosene and petrol.

As per chief investigating officer Noel Parmar (Noel Parmar was the investigating officer in the Godhra case who retired in 2009 after 43 years of service in the Gujarat police. He was known to be a tough officer throughout his career and has been constantly targeted by the civil society groups fighting for the accused in the Godhra case.), following events took place that led to the train burning:

..a communal-minded group wanted to teach a lesson to the karsevaks.. February 26, 2002, they called a meeting at the Aman guesthouse near the railway station. .. They collected some 140 liters of petrol from a nearby petrol pump. Salim Paanwala went to check the train's arrival time. .. found that the Sabarmati Express was late by four hours. He verified with a ticket checker, whose testimony was taken. Paanwala went back to the guesthouse and told the people gathered there that they should take a short nap and come back around 6.30 am. When the train arrived and a crowd started gathering, stone-pelting started. The passengers of the train shut the train's doors and windows. The train moved ahead to escape the stones being hurled. At that point the accused, according to plan, came to the station with the petrol. The crowd was at that time running along with the train. This is significant. The train was halted by one of the accused by pulling the (emergency stop) chain. Razaak Kurkur and Paanwala had given some boys the duty to board the train. As per their instructions, these boys boarded the train by cutting the vestibule and entered the compartment to pour the petrol and set it on fire. The chief investigating officer also pointed out that at 7 am in the morning, a crowd doesn't assemble just like that. It was pre-planned... Around 7.43 am, when the train came, people were instructed through a microphone to reach the station. There were provocative slogans: 'Kill Hindus, long live Pakistan!' .. The crowd was the cover they needed. Without the crowd screaming and crowding the place, they would not have been successful in torching the train... just 1 litre of kerosene could not have burned S-6

 

[Tshering22]

I support giving justice to the victims of the 84 riots, and would support justice in any other riots if you can provide good evidence that the ruling party actively supported them.

There's no evidence against Modi either. Funny you only mention 84 when there are a whole array of events that happened post that period and throughout early 90s. See this is the thing; many don't even know what's going on in the country.

Hindu-hating secularist is an oxymoron. You mean pseudo-secularists? I'd rather support a Hindu-hater than a fascist, as the Hindu-haters don't necessarily go around massacring people.

Done plenty of experiments to know the difference; both are the same.

About second part:

What is happening in Kashmir, Assam, Kerala, Andhra, Manipur etc ... please run a research through these areas. Half knowledge is worse than zero knowledge.

Well having seen the rest of the statements from Modi and the Gujarati BJP leadership, along with the Tehelka investigation (sure, Tehelka have their biases but given the kind of video evidence they presented for their case, I don't see how their report can be considered anything but credible), there isn't any doubt in my mind that Modi approved of the attacks against muslims and purposely looked the other way when they were happening.

Wow... based on a video that hardcore law experts have failed to concretely prove, you've come to a conclusion!

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Satyameva Jayate....


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Don't show evidence to secularists; they will declare it hoax.

 

[usernaame]

There's no evidence against Modi either. Funny you only mention 84 when there are a whole array of events that happened post that period and throughout early 90s. See this is the thing; many don't even know what's going on in the country.




Done plenty of experiments to know the difference; both are the same.

About second part:

What is happening in Kashmir, Assam, Kerala, Andhra, Manipur etc ... please run a research through these areas. Half knowledge is worse than zero knowledge.



Wow... based on a video that hardcore law experts have failed to concretely prove, you've come to a conclusion!

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Don't show evidence to secularists; they will declare it hoax.

i object your condescending usage of the word 'Secularists' . In fact most (>70) Hindus are secularists and some form of agnostics and atheists. It is important how we use our words. You could simply use far left, Marxist, Militant secularists etc.,

 

[harpoon]

Here is what I can get from wiki so far about Godhra :

Inspite of all this , when Lalu was Railway Minister he constituted an inquiry commission which said that the Sabarmati Express combusted instantaneously.