Germany to Pakistan: Terror for political goals unacceptable

[LEGENDARY WARRIOR]

^^Yes your own head of state is on the record stating that your government have supported/turned a blind eye to terrorist organisations in the past, to achieve political ends.

What is to say, that this policy has changed?

was this stated by wikileaks???? that our government turned blind eye to terrorists???

please provide with some links to prove your statement

 

[sanibhagwan]

You can continue whining and pleading and getting kicked.

Meanwhile, China has been supporting the Jamaat-ud-Dawah, and China knows what its doing.

U.S and U.N, too know what they are doing. That is the reason why it got banned.

Meanwhile, what you guys are doing about Uighur separatists. Yeah, I know you kill them.

And this is what Merkel calls "Terror for political goals"

http://www.defence.pk/forums/strategic-geopolitical-issues/56925-uighur-leader-killed-pakistan-rehman-malik.html

A Look Inside Pakistan’s Uighur Community

Pakistan to Assist China against Uighur Separatists - Pakistan Conflict Monitor

 

[LEGENDARY WARRIOR]

@icecold
its not about where india goes.
It is a opinion that countries have about pakistan and they express it in a joint statement with country that has similar views.
Pakistan counts on islamic nations to support it and it obviously has some repurcursions from some western nations which suffer due to jishadist terror.

and this opinion is mainly promoted by india. Hiding its own atrocities and always blaming Pakistan for terrorism. You leave no stone unturned to degrade Pakistan.

 

[ashok321]

and this opinion is mainly promoted by india. Hiding its own atrocities and always blaming Pakistan for terrorism. You leave no stone unturned to degrade Pakistan.

Tell me how India influenced Germany on this issue?

 

[sanibhagwan]

I believe we will join Pakistan if they are attacked by India. Our alliance was only young in the 1960's and 70's... however nowadays, Pakistan has become an indispensable ally.

If India attacks the Northern areas of Pakistan, they will also be attacking the Karakorum highway, and therefore trying to block our access to Gwadar. It would be an attack on China's interests too.

India will not try anything against Pakistan, for fear of a two-front war, especially since they weren't able to win a one-front war in 1962.

If India attacks the Northern areas of Pakistan, they will also be attacking the Karakorum highway, and therefore trying to block our access to Gwadar. It would be an attack on China's interests too.

It would lead to world war 3. We have allies too buddy.

India will not try anything against Pakistan, for fear of a two-front war, especially since they weren't able to win a one-front war in 1962

Fear of a two-front war...Is that the reason china couldn't do anything about Taiwan. Fearing a two front war with U.S and Taiwan.

 

[Solomon2]

Tell me how India influenced Germany on this issue?

Merkel is so strongly against tyranny that she needs nobody else to influence her. Earlier this year she awarded Germany's highest civilian honor to an American whose job was uncovering records of Germany's own extinction programs during the Nazi period. link No one forced her to do that. And the German nation stands behind her.

 

[sanibhagwan]

Depends what the scenario is.

If India attacks Pakistan, then absolutely we will join in, and the global community will support Pakistan against such an aggressive move by India.

True. Depends on what the scenario is.

If China attacks Taiwan, then absolutely we will join in with the global community in support of Taiwan against such an aggressive move by China.

Reality check.

We have as many opportunities to try and exploit. And you have border issues with Vietnam, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Korea, Russia. Sea border issues with Japan, Vietnam, etc.

China's Territory and Border Issues

 

[sanibhagwan]

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Indian should not demand any thing before capturing ppl behind attacks like Samjota express.

It was the German chancellor's statement.

Killing 100 000+ ppl in Gujrat etc and Kashmir. Dont say a word before dealing with these terror cases

How is Pakistan affected by it? When Sikhs were killed by Taliban, our external affairs ministry issued a statement. Your home minister asked us not to meddle with internal issues of Pakistan.

Lets say Mumbai attacks was carried by Pakistan, Since you dont want to deal with ur home grown terrorist we took revange for Samjota express

And this is the reason why German Chancellor said "Terror for political goals"

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Merkel is so strongly against tyranny that she needs nobody else to influence her. Earlier this year she awarded Germany's highest civilian honor to an American whose job was uncovering records of Germany's own extinction programs during the Nazi period. link No one forced her to do that. And the German nation stands behind her.

BS- If she was actually against tyranny she would be announcing awards for Palestinians and Kashmiris fighting Israeli and Indian tyranny and oppression and occupation. She is just as selective in the application of her so called ' moral positions' as any other world leader looking to allow their country to make a Buck by ignoring atrocities and tyranny by certain nations, while making statements divorced from reality.

 

[sanibhagwan]

First take out INDIA ISREAL AND AFGHANISTAN from that list since who cares about country like India ?

Germany cares, and that is the purpose of this thread.

And rest of them ? Just look at what they have done in last 100 years and keep doing so who give **** about them ?

US, UK, GERMANY, FRANCE, RUSSIA. They have given you aid in plentiful. And just recently for the flood affected people.

 

[sanibhagwan]

When has it been proved that Pakistan has been using 'terrorist forces' or 'terrorism' on the world stage? Was this taken to the UN and established and 'rubbed in Pakistan's face'?

Yet more double standards and hypocrisy from Americans I see.

JUD has been banned by UN, but yet to be implemented by Pakistan.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

JUD has been banned by UN, but yet to be implemented by Pakistan.

If that is the case then raise it in the UN and have Pakistan declared in violation of the resolutions.

Read into what the sanctions require- the requirements are very limited and Pakistan is complying.

 

[Solomon2]

BS- If she was actually against tyranny she would be announcing awards for Palestinians and Kashmiris fighting Israeli and Indian tyranny and oppression and occupation -

Merkel is sane. She recognizes that tyranny and occupation are two different things. She knows that in Gaza/West Bank it is the terrorists who tyrannize the populace. For example, a Palestinian Arab cannot voice a desire for peace with Israel without risking being labeled a "collaborator" and executed without trial. link (The oppression of Palestinian Arabs at the hands of "their" tyrant leaders is discussed more extensively in the http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/51690-palestinian-struggle-against-israel-9.html thread.)

Can you make a case to me - or to Merkel - that Kashmiris would suffer at India's hands if Pakistan wasn't intent upon supporting an insurgency there, either through native Kashmiris or (most noticeably, according to the diplomatic record discussed in previous posts) Pakistani infiltrators? That is probably what Pakistanis have to attempt in order to change Merkel's mind.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Merkel is sane. She recognizes that tyranny and occupation are two different things. She knows that in Gaza/West Bank it is the terrorists who tyrannize the populace. For example, a Palestinian Arab cannot voice a desire for peace with Israel without risking being labeled a "collaborator" and executed without trial. link (The oppression of Palestinian Arabs at the hands of "their" tyrant leaders is discussed more extensively in the http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/51690-palestinian-struggle-against-israel-9.html thread.)

Can you make a case to me - or to Merkel - that Kashmiris would suffer at India's hands if Pakistan wasn't intent upon supporting an insurgency there, either through native Kashmiris or (most noticeably, according to the diplomatic record discussed in previous posts) Pakistani infiltrators? That is probably what Pakistanis have to attempt in order to change Merkel's mind.

Tyranny and occupation are not the same, but they are both systematically used by Israel and India in the Palestinian territories and Indian Occupied Kashmir respectively.

The UNSC resolutions are clear about ending occupation and the conditions under which that is to happen - A refusal by both Israel and India to implement them, along with the atrocities perpetrated by both nations in the peoples of Palestine and Kashmir, requires a clear cut condemnation from Merkel if she is indeed applying her 'moral principles' fairly.

 

[sanibhagwan]

Oh, don't be so hard on her. It was expected.

There is a pattern within past few weeks ago. First it was Cameron of UK, then Obama of America, then Sarkozy of France, now Merkel of Germany. Anytime Western leaders meet Indian leaders for some trade deals (read: $$$) they have to say something nasty about Pakistan. Once done that they also funnel some money into Pakistan.

Yes, it is really bad PR for Pakistan. And our Bharat Rakshak friends know this game all too well and resent the West for the West's scheming ways.

So who is next? The Canadian PM's turn?

Anytime Western leaders meet Indian leaders for some trade deals (read: $$$)

Trade deals..... Yes. We are not some country who has to beg IMF for the next tranche of loan to do even trade.

Once done that they also funnel some money into Pakistan

For what? killing your own people in the Northwest. And you are quite comfortable about it.. Great its up to you.