Genetic distance between Iranians and Saudis

[QWECXZ]

I like how much people think they know about Iran, even if they are wrong sometimes.

But that aside, just the idea that they are interested in Iran and read about us is indeed interesting and greatly appreciated.

 

[Aramagedon]

Alot of those Caucasian Muslim groups are mixtures of Turks and Iranic people. They are very lovely people, Azeri, Chechen, Dagestan, Circassians, Crimea Tatar, Tatars, Kurds.

This is Turk DNA:

 

[Mamluk]

Many Caucasus people today are Iranians. Check the DNA maps that I posted above.

It's not that they are Iranian or Iranians are Caucasus people. It's the back and forth movement of people between neighboring regions for thousands of years that bring genetics of two regions closer. So when you look at the map it's no wonder that Gilaks and Mazandarani would cluster closely with some Southern Caucasus people.

 

[Naofumi]

Many Cacusian people today are Iranian. Check the DNA maps that I posted above.

Yeah, of course but it's about the relative distance

The MDS analysis (Figure 2B) further illustrates these patterns. The Mazandarani and Gilaki groups fall inside a major cluster consisting of populations from the Caucasus and West Asia and are particularly close to the South Caucasus groups—Georgians, Armenians, and Azerbaijanians. Iranians from Tehran and Isfahan are situated more distantly from these groups.

 

[Mamluk]

I don't know, but I suppose not. I mean some measures consider both genetic drift and mutations while some others consider only one of them.

I thought it's mutations itself that determine drift.

 

[Aramagedon]

The people who have G Haplogroup are absolutely Iranians and it doesn't matter they migrated from Caucasus to Iranian plateau several thousands years ago.

 

[Mamluk]

This is Turk DNA:

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Well, no. Looks like a component that peak's in a Siberian population (know the ref population?). Can't say if original proto-Turkic people carried that without checking if the component exists in the relevant ancient DNA samples.

The people who have G Haplogroup are absolutely Iranians and it doesn't matter they migrated from Caucasian to Iranian pleatu.

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Ydna haplogroup G is too old to be tied to any specific modern ethnicity. It's most recent common ancestor lived 25,000 years before present according to YFull.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

This is Turk DNA:

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Not complete. Balkans countries like Albania, Kosova, and Bosnia also have Turkish blood admixture.

Anyway, that is not the topic of the thread.

 

[Aramagedon]

Well, no. Looks like a component that peak's in a Siberian population (know the ref population?). Can't say if original proto-Turkic people carried that without checking if the component exists in the relevant ancient DNA samples.

This is original narrow-eyed real torks in middle of Asia. The rest of Anatolian, Armenian and Azerbaijani (Azarbadegan in Persian language) have become Turkified during times.

 

[Naofumi]

Ydna haplogroup G is too old to be tied to any specific modern ethnicity. It's most recent common ancestor lived 25,000 years before present according to YFull.

He meant that most of the people with that Haplogroup resides in contemporary Iran, so...

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

This one taken by my cousin in Hunza Valley, Pakistan

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I am Punjabi, and my family members look like this exactly. This kind of phenotype is not only isolated in one region of Pakistan.

 

[Indos]

The people who have G Haplogroup are absolutely Iranians and it doesn't matter they migrated from Caucasus to Iranian plateau several thousands years ago.

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Look like it covers almost all of Muslim world

 

[Mamluk]

This is original narrow-eyed real torks in middle of Asia. The rest of Anatolian, Armenian and Azerbaijani (Azarbadegan in Persian language) have become Turkified during times.

Azeris are very close to other Iranians, no doubt. But they do carry some Central Asian Turkic genes. I will try to show that with the tool I referred to in the OP, when I have some time.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

This is original narrow-eyed real torks in middle of Asia.

Do you know the difference between Oghuz and Chagatai Turks?

Like Iranics, Turks had alot of diversity since the beginning as well.

Actually the place of origin is the same for Turks, Mongols, Huns, and Iranics.

 

[Aramagedon]

Do you know the difference between Oghuz and Chagatai Turks?

Like Iranics, Turks had alot of diversity since the beginning as well.

Actually the place of origin is the same for Turks, Mongols, Huns, and Iranics.

Iranian and Anatolians (and Middle Eastern in usual) have J2, G, R1,2 and X DNA while the Mongol and Han people have C-M217 DNA. Two different people.