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Would you care to highlight how many medals Bangladesh had won since its inception.. or you guys need to compete with some other species to be competitive??
I think its about the lack of necessary motivation
If some Olympics official were to wear BSF uniforms I am pretty sure K. Nageotte would get tough competition from BD team
 
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How many Indian Olympians are training overseas? I mean why?? Easy to do doping?

There seems to be an overabundance of these types of overseas Indian Olympians.

A supposed superpower should care enough to build sports training facilities (instead of cheaping out as always) and not compare itself (though poorer) with the likes of small fry countries like Bangladesh. Bangladesh in some cases has better sports training facilities and gets Corporate sponsors compared to a country the size of India.

Look at this Gender-dubious Olympian from India (Thank you muscle enhancer and female feature de-hancer, I could not even tell whether she was female!) who would not live in the same facilities with the rest of the Indian female Olympians (caste-ism?) and got disqualified as a result. And who names a girl Vinesh?? Wow - manly looking gal....

Indian wrestler Phogat suspended for Olympics misconduct
AFP
New Delhi
Published: 10 Aug 2021, 23:34
Indian wrestler Phogat suspended for Olympics misconduct

India’s top wrestler Vinesh Phogat has been suspended for misconduct at the Tokyo Olympics, where she had been one of the country’s top medal hopes, the national federation said Wednesday.

The 26-year-old from a famed Indian wrestling dynasty went into the Games as world number one in the 53kg but crashed out in the quarter-finals.

Wrestling Federation of India assistant secretary Vinod Tomar told AFP that Phogat had been suspended on “three counts of indiscipline”.

Phogat refused to share an athletes’ village room with India’s other women wrestlers, would not wear the team’s official shirt in competition and would not train with the rest of the team, Tomar said.

“She refused to stay with the rest of the women wrestlers due to Covid fears as she flew in from Hungary with her coach while the rest had come from India,” said the official.

Phogat is a cousin of Commonwealth Games gold medallists Geeta and Babita Phogat whose story was featured in the Bollywood hit movie “Dangal”.

She has yet to make a public comment about the charges but has been told to respond by Monday.

Teenager Sonam Malik was also charged with similar misconduct ahead of the Olympics where she suffered a first-round exit.

“These up-and-coming girls think they are stars and can get away with such things, but they should realise that they are representing the country,” said Tomar.

India’s men’s wrestlers got a silver through Ravi Dahiya in the 57kg and bronze through Bajrang Punia (65kg).
 
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How many Indian Olympians are training overseas? I mean why??

There seems to be an overabundance of these types of overseas Indian Olympians.

A supposed superpower should care enough to build sports training facilities (instead of cheaping out as always) and not compare itself (though poorer) with the likes of small fry countries like Bangladesh. Bangladesh in some cases has better sports training facilities and gets Corporate sponsors compared to a country the size of India.

Look at this Gender-dubious Olympian from India (Thank you muscle enhancer and female feature de-hancer, I could not even tell whether she was female!) who would not live in the same facilities with the rest of the Indian female Olympians (caste-ism?) and got disqualified as a result. And who names a girl Vinesh?? Wow - manly looking gal....

Indian wrestler Phogat suspended for Olympics misconduct
AFP
New Delhi
Published: 10 Aug 2021, 23:34
Indian wrestler Phogat suspended for Olympics misconduct

India’s top wrestler Vinesh Phogat has been suspended for misconduct at the Tokyo Olympics, where she had been one of the country’s top medal hopes, the national federation said Wednesday.

The 26-year-old from a famed Indian wrestling dynasty went into the Games as world number one in the 53kg but crashed out in the quarter-finals.

Wrestling Federation of India assistant secretary Vinod Tomar told AFP that Phogat had been suspended on “three counts of indiscipline”.

Phogat refused to share an athletes’ village room with India’s other women wrestlers, would not wear the team’s official shirt in competition and would not train with the rest of the team, Tomar said.

“She refused to stay with the rest of the women wrestlers due to Covid fears as she flew in from Hungary with her coach while the rest had come from India,” said the official.

Phogat is a cousin of Commonwealth Games gold medallists Geeta and Babita Phogat whose story was featured in the Bollywood hit movie “Dangal”.

She has yet to make a public comment about the charges but has been told to respond by Monday.

Teenager Sonam Malik was also charged with similar misconduct ahead of the Olympics where she suffered a first-round exit.

“These up-and-coming girls think they are stars and can get away with such things, but they should realise that they are representing the country,” said Tomar.

India’s men’s wrestlers got a silver through Ravi Dahiya in the 57kg and bronze through Bajrang Punia (65kg).



all that better training facilties and corporate sponsors----------what happened 50 years 0 medals
 
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We Indians, over the decades, have been mostly pre-occupied climbing the socio-economic ladder ( Stem Courses rather than Sports) Consequently, the pool of talent created at the local community, school and university levels, leaves much to be desired both in terms of size and quality . Scarce public investible resources have eluded sports.This is further compounded by misallocation, lack of transparency, poor asset management and an absence of a framework for measuring impact of public spending. This is unlikely to change .

There are scholarships and endowments for athletes that guarantee a basic minimum standard of living, but this system is fraught with bureaucratic red tape, political interference, conflicts of interest and corruption . With the exception of hockey, Indian sport tends to be focused on events that are not included in the Olympics, most importantly cricket .

For example

We didn’t even know India had an ice hockey team, did we. Well, for last six years this team has been representing India at international tournaments and like many other non-cricketing sports, this team too, is facing an acute money crunch. Unsuccessful in getting sponsors for the team, the squad literally was forced to scouting, prospecting and even begging for money via the online media to participate at the Asia division leg of the International Ice Hockey Federation Challenge Cup in Kuwait.

Few Old references
— Ice Hockey India (@icehockeyindia) March 5, 2015
We demand our share of love, because be it Cricket or Ice Hockey,The association of tricolor shall be respected everywhere #SupportIceHockey

— Ice Hockey India (@icehockeyindia) April 3, 2015
It is so tough to push sports like Ice Hockey when cricket takes up all sponsor budgets. We have a national team and are begging for money.— Ice Hockey India (@icehockeyindia) March 5, 2015
Luger Shiva Keshavan received no sponsorship from India for the Sochi Olympics!

India and the rest of the subcontinent needs to invest in the long term, not expecting miracles at the touch of a button

MY Below POST's are Just to Bring AWARNESS PLEASE don't Troll


Nisha


Nisha Rani Dutt won a Bronze in archery in the Bangkok Grand Prix back in 2008 and had to stop competing because of her family's poor financial conditions. All she got was a monthly stipend of Rs 500. She also had to sell off her equipment to help her family. The government was nowhere to help!

After making India proud by winning two bronze medals at the 2011 Athens special Olympics, Sita Sahu, a mentally challenged teenager from Rewa, today helps her mother sell 'gol gappas' in the streets. Official neglect has stopped the 15-year-old athlete's promising career in tracks.

Sita Sahu


The government had announced a cash prize of Rs 50,000 to the bronze winners, according to which she should have received Rs 1 lakh, her father says they are yet to get the promised reward.


Indira


Differently-abled champion athlete Indira Gaikwad, recipient of Maharashtra's highest sporting honour, had to sell her painstakingly earned medals as scrap to pay medical bills of her ailing mother. The state officials had promised to give her government job, but like many other promises, this too was forgotten. She has represented the state and the country in powerlifting, cycle-racing, shot put, discus and javelin-throwing, winning eight gold medals at various events in the process.

These boxers brought laurels to the nation, but were let down!

Sarita Devi, boxer, had to face a year's ban imposed by AIBA for refusing to accept her 2014 Asian Games bronze medal. Even though she dominated the game, her South Korean opponent Jina Parker was declared the winner. Sarita Devi believed, Parker had been given unfair advantage in their match and named winner in the 60kg lightweight category.

Sarita Devi


Reuters

None from the Indian contingent came to speak for her. She and her husband had to borrow money to lodge an appeal against the decision since the Indian authorities did not get involved. Even though some might feel that what she did was wrong, but we would like to believe that it was just an emotional outburst as she felt wronged and robbed of what she deserved, it was the only lapse in her 14-year long career, atleast the Indian authorities could have taken a stand for her!

rishu


Rishu Mittal, a gold medalist in boxing is forced to work as a domestic help to continue her schooling. She hails from Haryana's Kaithal and has won a gold medal in state level championship in 2014 in 46 kg category and represented Haryana during national games in Gwalior last December. Earlier she had won bronze medals in Bhivani and Faridabad in the year 2012 and 2013 respectively.
 
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How many Indian Olympians are training overseas? I mean why??

There seems to be an overabundance of these types of overseas Indian Olympians.

A supposed superpower should care enough to build sports training facilities (instead of cheaping out as always) and not compare itself (though poorer) with the likes of small fry countries like Bangladesh. Bangladesh in some cases has better sports training facilities and gets Corporate sponsors compared to a country the size of India.

Look at this Gender-dubious Olympian from India (Thank you muscle enhancer and female feature de-hancer, I could not even tell whether she was female!) who would not live in the same facilities with the rest of the Indian female Olympians (caste-ism?) and got disqualified as a result. And who names a girl Vinesh?? Wow - manly looking gal....

Indian wrestler Phogat suspended for Olympics misconduct
AFP
New Delhi
Published: 10 Aug 2021, 23:34
Indian wrestler Phogat suspended for Olympics misconduct

India’s top wrestler Vinesh Phogat has been suspended for misconduct at the Tokyo Olympics, where she had been one of the country’s top medal hopes, the national federation said Wednesday.

The 26-year-old from a famed Indian wrestling dynasty went into the Games as world number one in the 53kg but crashed out in the quarter-finals.

Wrestling Federation of India assistant secretary Vinod Tomar told AFP that Phogat had been suspended on “three counts of indiscipline”.

Phogat refused to share an athletes’ village room with India’s other women wrestlers, would not wear the team’s official shirt in competition and would not train with the rest of the team, Tomar said.

“She refused to stay with the rest of the women wrestlers due to Covid fears as she flew in from Hungary with her coach while the rest had come from India,” said the official.

Phogat is a cousin of Commonwealth Games gold medallists Geeta and Babita Phogat whose story was featured in the Bollywood hit movie “Dangal”.

She has yet to make a public comment about the charges but has been told to respond by Monday.

Teenager Sonam Malik was also charged with similar misconduct ahead of the Olympics where she suffered a first-round exit.

“These up-and-coming girls think they are stars and can get away with such things, but they should realise that they are representing the country,” said Tomar.

India’s men’s wrestlers got a silver through Ravi Dahiya in the 57kg and bronze through Bajrang Punia (65kg).
They train in india too , the best are sent to train overseas , I don't care even if they dope .
Winning medal is important , even if 7.
Lets see why this thread on genetics is quite awkward .
Indonesia medal tally is 1 , 1 , 3
Malaysia medal tally is 0 , 1, 1
And people with genetics aka saudi arabia has 0 , 1, 0
Now let's talk about racial affinity , for archery ?
I assume people form behar or jharkhand are not much racially different from Bangladeshis ? Even if we ignore the supposed arab blood in bangladeshis .Which obviously came through trade and commerce .
Tell me one archer who has made his or her mark on international stage ?
Genetics come in play , of course they do , thats why pakistani qualify for olympics according to the standards laid out by IOC itself and not just picked up from anywhere .
As far as javelin is concerned , read about ktg machine , it was suggested by uwe hohn who played for east germany in 80s , these machines are not commercially available instead indians asked for this thing from germans and they refused , the Chinese helped us and they gave this machine to india to train specifically for javelin throw.
Those who have won medals were coached by the people who themselves won medals in olympic.
We Indians, over the decades, have been mostly pre-occupied climbing the socio-economic ladder ( Stem Courses rather than Sports) Consequently, the pool of talent created at the local community, school and university levels, leaves much to be desired both in terms of size and quality . Scarce public investible resources have eluded sports.This is further compounded by misallocation, lack of transparency, poor asset management and an absence of a framework for measuring impact of public spending. This is unlikely to change .

There are scholarships and endowments for athletes that guarantee a basic minimum standard of living, but this system is fraught with bureaucratic red tape, political interference, conflicts of interest and corruption . With the exception of hockey, Indian sport tends to be focused on events that are not included in the Olympics, most importantly cricket .

For example

We didn’t even know India had an ice hockey team, did we. Well, for last six years this team has been representing India at international tournaments and like many other non-cricketing sports, this team too, is facing an acute money crunch. Unsuccessful in getting sponsors for the team, the squad literally was forced to scouting, prospecting and even begging for money via the online media to participate at the Asia division leg of the International Ice Hockey Federation Challenge Cup in Kuwait.

Few Old references
— Ice Hockey India (@icehockeyindia) March 5, 2015
We demand our share of love, because be it Cricket or Ice Hockey,The association of tricolor shall be respected everywhere #SupportIceHockey

— Ice Hockey India (@icehockeyindia) April 3, 2015
It is so tough to push sports like Ice Hockey when cricket takes up all sponsor budgets. We have a national team and are begging for money.— Ice Hockey India (@icehockeyindia) March 5, 2015
Luger Shiva Keshavan received no sponsorship from India for the Sochi Olympics!

India and the rest of the subcontinent needs to invest in the long term, not expecting miracles at the touch of a button

MY Below POST's are Just to Bring AWARNESS PLEASE don't Troll


Nisha



Nisha Rani Dutt won a Bronze in archery in the Bangkok Grand Prix back in 2008 and had to stop competing because of her family's poor financial conditions. All she got was a monthly stipend of Rs 500. She also had to sell off her equipment to help her family. The government was nowhere to help!


After making India proud by winning two bronze medals at the 2011 Athens special Olympics, Sita Sahu, a mentally challenged teenager from Rewa, today helps her mother sell 'gol gappas' in the streets. Official neglect has stopped the 15-year-old athlete's promising career in tracks.


Sita Sahu



The government had announced a cash prize of Rs 50,000 to the bronze winners, according to which she should have received Rs 1 lakh, her father says they are yet to get the promised reward.



Indira



Differently-abled champion athlete Indira Gaikwad, recipient of Maharashtra's highest sporting honour, had to sell her painstakingly earned medals as scrap to pay medical bills of her ailing mother. The state officials had promised to give her government job, but like many other promises, this too was forgotten. She has represented the state and the country in powerlifting, cycle-racing, shot put, discus and javelin-throwing, winning eight gold medals at various events in the process.


These boxers brought laurels to the nation, but were let down!


Sarita Devi, boxer, had to face a year's ban imposed by AIBA for refusing to accept her 2014 Asian Games bronze medal. Even though she dominated the game, her South Korean opponent Jina Parker was declared the winner. Sarita Devi believed, Parker had been given unfair advantage in their match and named winner in the 60kg lightweight category.


Sarita Devi



Reuters


None from the Indian contingent came to speak for her. She and her husband had to borrow money to lodge an appeal against the decision since the Indian authorities did not get involved. Even though some might feel that what she did was wrong, but we would like to believe that it was just an emotional outburst as she felt wronged and robbed of what she deserved, it was the only lapse in her 14-year long career, atleast the Indian authorities could have taken a stand for her!


rishu



Rishu Mittal, a gold medalist in boxing is forced to work as a domestic help to continue her schooling. She hails from Haryana's Kaithal and has won a gold medal in state level championship in 2014 in 46 kg category and represented Haryana during national games in Gwalior last December. Earlier she had won bronze medals in Bhivani and Faridabad in the year 2012 and 2013 respectively.
India needs a dedicated authority who pick people from schools , and train them from a very young age like 5 or 6 years , simply.
And cast out others , you can only go so far on just talent and then people get the ideas to compare genetics of people , and if it were say a ameriki we could have understood , a bangladeshi creating a thread mocking genetics of indians is hilarious at best .
Meanwhile no medals for 50 years
 
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For a continent of 1.4 billion people India's medal tally is outright humiliating, even for us (as we are sometimes confused with Indians).
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In fact there's more excuses than medals for the Indian continent's Olympic failure. The excuses provided by Indian incels online range from "our culture is not sports oriented" to "we care about Cricket only" and "because Hindu don't eat meat" etc etc etc.

However everyone deliberately ignores the elephant in the room. That is Indian people's genetic limitation. Maybe they are simply not cut out for sports? When you look at their history it's full of one way invasions and never the other way around. Seeing the Olympic scores I imagine India's geographic location/barriers/distance actually protected them from ancient/medieval Chinese and Europeans quite well.

Not very surprisingly, the lone gold medal winner Neeraj Chopra comes from a caste in India, the Rors, who have the highest affinity to Europeans among all castes. See below for a comparison of genetic distance between North Indian Brahmins, Jatts, Rors and Europeans (represented by German and Irish). I used freely available population genetics data and the popular tool called Vahaduo.

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As can be seen above, Rors have the highest affinity to Europeans, even more than Jatts, meaning they have the highest genetic contribution from ancient Central Asian groups (before the genetic landscape got changed by Turks). Everyone can do their own analysis with the publicly available genetics data - this is Science so rest assured you will all arrive at the same results.
So this further reinforces the genetic pov for Indian continent's abysmal Olympic performance.

If I am correct and the limitation is genetic and cannot be overcome anyhow, why not hire foreigners to do the job? The Marathas used to hire Arab mercenaries to defeat their neighbors. As long as Indians remain delusional about their abilities their Olympic medal tally will continue to remain at the bottom of the pile.
Has little to do with genetics and more with development, infrastructure, investment etc etc. Its true that for a nation it's size India's Olympic performance has been nothing short of an international embarrassment. To think that until this Olympic, such a big country had ever only won a gold medal Olympic in Beijing 2008 is rather unbelievable. At least they got another gold this Olympic (2 gold medals in their entire history. lol ). It's a very poor performance. Then again south Asia in general has by far the worse performance in Olympics history out of any other continent/region.
 
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India is an underperformer in Olympics for sure. Speaking for myself, I hope India prioritizes social welfare and infrastructure development before looking at Olympics any time soon.

Meanwhile, BD can show India how to achieve Olympic glory! :-)
 
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What a useless thread - India’s olympic program is well funded and thought out - BD & Pakistan failed miserably for various internal reasons.
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