lol, what? First, your source is even more worthless than Wikipedia...
The Oxford Handbook of Engineering and Technology in the Classical World, Oxford University Press, some are articles published in Science magazine.
LOL!
Second thing, comparing selective measures to prove some how that Romans were ahead of Han Chinese by any magnitude is a joke only an insecure European would pull...
What selective measures, you were talking about economical superiority of the ancient Chinese, i proved you wrong. All the while you scream in the background how insecure i am, while all you do is display insecurity by not acknowledging known facts.
Only an illiterate European would try to put Rome miles ahead of Han China... Both had advantages over the other and vice versa.
Only an illiterate Pakistani, blinded by his bigtry and religion would spew such garbage on the net with a straight face. Anyhow, at least in the economy department Oxford disagrees with your assesment that Rome wasn't miles ahead.
And we all know, you're AUz, and that's Oxford.
lol, EVERY new civilizations arises after "crushing" previous civilization...Are you that retard?
Ottomans
crushed Roman empire at the end (oh well, Byzantine if you like)...What does that prove? PS, 'lasting' is no measure to judge a civilization. Ottoman Empire last 700+ years or so..but it was a weak, sick empire at the end..Powerless. Same goes for Byzantines towards their end...Arabs routed Byzantines out from major provinces/states with smaller, ill equipped forces as early as in 7th century..so much for "lasting centuries" ...lol...
No retardo, they "lasted" 1300 years BUT remained "super powers" for 1000 years...see, I am not a retard to count mere "lasting" as some sort of achievement...Ottoman Empire remained the undisputed superpower of Europe till say mid 17th century...After that, they declined w.r.t European powers such as French etc...even though Ottomans "lasted" another 250 years or so...Also, Islam is there for merely 1400 years...if you take Islam as a historical force which formed the basis of a new civilization (as some historians argue) then,
Islamic Civilization arguably holds the best success ratio among
ALL human civilizations in recorded history...Lets look at last 2000 years..Out of 1400 years of its history, Islam remained global dominant civilization for 1000+ years...that is, 70%+ time of its
entire existence! NO other civilization even comes close to this! Only close contender is West...In last 2000 years, Christian West remained dominant civilization for barely 600 years (1st to 3rd century AD, 1600s onwards)...this is merely 30% time of its existence in last 2000 years...Islamic Superpowers/Islamic people remained global leaders of humanity from 7th to 18th century. Islamic Superpowers and Great powers like Early Islamic Caliphate, Ummayad Empire, Abbasid Empire, Ottoman Empire,Mughal Empire, Timurid Empire, Safavid Empire etc dominated much of known globe during this time era in terms of total wealth, economic output, industrial production, military power, and scientific production for centuries..just like British, Germans, French dominated much of globe after 18th century..
lol, you're comical. Your version of history starts in 0 AD. So weak.
But again, Romans were physical people like Sumerians, Assyrians, IVC people etc and they died out...Islam is one of the, if not THE, greatest socio-political-religious historical force..which can't be compared to Romans...
Yes, that's why you are driving a taxi or preparing a tandoori in a kuffar land, because Islam is the greatest thing that ever happened. What a joke.
At one point, Mughal Empire in India
alone held
25% of TOTAL global GDP output, and I'm not even counting Ottoman Empire, and Islamic Persian Empires during the same era.....
Unless your insecure soul wants to argue that Romans held 50%+ of total GDP output of humanity, Romans were a no match to the wealth of Islamic World at its height...but then again, only a retard like you will compare things like that..Romans were a great power of their era...Ottomans, Mughals, Abbasids etc were great powers of theirs...stop comparing things like a kid.
What is the source of this quote? Can I get the book and page number? Wikipedia doesn't mention much...
Also, its funny to see retardness like this from you...So comparing Rome
at its height to Caliphate in its rising stages?
Leave aside greatest Islamic powers, how about comparing wealth of Rome at its height to wealth of Mughal Empire at its height?! Guess what kid? Forget silver coins of rome, Mughals had control of the
ONLY diamond minds in the world at that time...As I said, romans were no way near as wealthy as Muslim great powers..
Do you see the vastness of the court? The wealth? Hint: ALOT of the things you see in this black and white picture were made of pure gold embroidered with precious stones/marbles etc...
Btw, the
largest percentage share of total GDP output of world ever held by a European power was British Empire which held 25% of global GDP at its height...Thats what I have read. I'll be willing to evolve my perspective though...
Those links i quoted, you know, the ones from Oxford and Science magazine, say the level of production and pollution the Romans achieved wasn't surpassed till the Industrial revolution. So, busted again.
Also, the same sources mention the population of both, which were roughly equal, destroying another one of your theories that people in the east had to be dominant because there was so many more of them.
Wikipedia doesn't mention much probably because you're too biased to look in the sources section.
You speak of wealth, i can giver you accounts of Roman historians:
Pliny the Elder wrote about the large value of the trade between Rome and Eastern countries:
"By the lowest reckoning, India, Seres and the Arabian peninsula take from our Empire 100 millions of sesterces every year: that is how much our luxuries and women cost us."
—Pliny the Elder, Natural History 12.84.
Sino-Roman relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Busted again. LOL!
Proved wrong? on what thing?
Everything you say is some sort of distorted fact and easily disprovable, hence i proved you wrong on everything. You can observe more of the same above and below this line in this post.
Who gives a sh!t if it was founded by Romans? Romans were Mediterranean people anyways....Please don't say now that you are a direct descendant of Roman emperor Caesar
His son Cezarion was killed in the first years of his life. I couldn't be his offspring. More of not knowing anything from your side.
No kido, you didn't understand the point from the beginning. The concept of modern standing armies was passed to Europe by Ottomans..that was the whole point! Remember, the dumb kid was blabbering about how others only copy west..my post was in response educating him how Westerners also copied others' success. Simple.
You are not in a position to educate anyone. It is harmful and counterproductive to read your delusions and engage in a debate with you, however i like to humiliate pretentious people like you.
I don't know about taxi drivers...ask your dad if he went to college or not?
Oh sorry then, tandoori kitchen fits you better i suppose.
What does this 'millenia' thingy has to do with super power status? Average age of a super power is 200 years...Educate yourself, dumbo. British did not last millenia either...PS, Empires of Islamic World remained superpowers/greatpowers for 1000+ years...unless you believe Spain was a stronger power than the Ottoman Empire in early 16th century or so
It was merely an illustration of the insignificance of the smaller Muslim empires in the grand scheme of things. Similarly, if i put it even more in perspective, egyptians had a state for 3000 years making them the most succesful entity on earth. not that i'm claiming their achievements as a western thing, only putting things into perspective for you, since obviously you know so little and even that is so skewed one has to spoon feed you facts.
Dumbo, even 'Western world' isn't one kingdom...similarly, Islamic Empires like Abbasids, Ummayads, Ottomans, Mughals, Safavids, Timurids etc were superpowers/great powers arising from Islamic World and often competed with eachother too...Same as western powers in their prime era (19th-20th century)..
Also, Europeans only arrived at the shores of Islamic World when they had already surpassed them (in 19th century onwards)...Before that, it were powers of Islamic World "arriving" the shores of Constantinople, Spain, E.Europe, etc etc...what a tool...
By the time you are talking about, Moors were expelled from Spain for centuries, similarly Constantinople happened centuries ago....but this is just like you, taking some facts, twisting them and presenting them as gospel truth.
Ottomans were a power in Europe, E.Mediterranean..and yes, strongest superpower on the planet for centuries..but they were not the 'only' power...but then again, you aint a bright cookie...
I never suggested Ottomans werent powerful. In one of my posts i even said they were the only true power, everyone else you quote are just your delusions.
We can be thankful to them for being an impassable barrier in the east that made us go west and colonize 4 out of 5 continents.
Ummayad Empire, stretching from Spain to borders of India, with its rule stretching over 15,000,000 km of land area and about 30% of total humanity at its height wasn't a "power" off course LOL...
Who cares dude, Romans had a similar sized empire if size is your thing, i wonder if you must compensate for something
What has remained from the Ummayad's? Any excess in literature, architecture and alike? Or just the legacy of favoritizing their own families against newly converted ones. Like true bigots. No wonder you're giving them as an example.
You're so stupid lol. You give me ammo with which i can knock you down. For example, i wouldn't know about the bigotry in the Ummayad era if i wouldn't go check on their achievements.
Despite some notable exceptions, the Umayyads tended to favor the rights of the old Arab families, and in particular their own, over those of newly converted Muslims (mawali). Therefore they held to a less universalist conception of Islam than did many of their rivals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayyad_Caliphate#Historical_significance
Notice the above link says, historical significance and nothing much of any value is written. How much you wanna bet that wouldn't be the case if we check the historical significance of the ancient Romans.
We aren't europeans who sell their souls and girls to others....
That's why i saw a thread made by a Pakistani talking about Pakistan's mercenary mentality.
Yeah, i'll get to sleep around alot..since girls in these nations are known for prostitution...I mean..cheap and easy prostitution...
I'll attribute this to you knowing you're out of valid arguments and you're just lashing out. Oh, and extreme jealousy of the things you don't have in your own country is in there somewhere as well.
Sourceless? lmao!! Challenge any of my information...and I'll give you sources...duhhh..dummy.
What quotes will you give lol, why haven't you done it so far? Oh, wait, maybe because for the 80% of what you wrote there are no sources because it's BS you make up to comfort yourself in your sorry slave wage life?
To summarize, you're a bullshi
tter. I await in eager anticipation another one of your distortions of history, giving me a chance to humiliate you even further. I just hope it won't show on my karma. I do this kind of thing too often.