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[UKBengali]

@Audio: honestly I feel sorry for you.

You actually get wound up over a random convo with an internet stranger.

Please spend your time with more constructive pursuits than this.

It was fun but you took this too seriously.

 

[Audio]

More humble post than other dumb Westerners here. So I commend you for that atleast...

Modern concept of standing armies was introduced to Europe by Ottoman Empire and not 'romen', afterall, it were Ottomans that crushed peasant European armies by using their standing armies...and hence Europe got this idea from Ottomans...Thats a known fact. Majority of historians agree with it.

Also, offcourse Europeans made improvements..I already stated that....

I was just replying to the point of some not-so-bright westerners who think 'West' was born superior and others just copy it

If anything, it was west which copied East and its ideas/inventions. Major foundations of West itself comes from Muslims and Chinese (even Greek foundations of W. Europe are a Muslim influence on West....so much for bragging LOL...And when I say 'Muslims', I mean in a geographic sense..not in religious one..or just call it "Middle-East" whatever)...

The fact remains that West gained superpower status only towards 18th century etc...that is merely 300 years...so I don't know why so much bragging?

Islamic World alone remained superpower for 1000+ years (7th to 18th century) with empires like Ummayads, Abbasids, Ottomans, Mughals, Timurids and countless others...and I haven't even mentioned great powers of far East, which too were ahead of Europe in this era (7th to 18th century)...

Europeans/Westerners are ahead for merely 300 years and they brag non-stop...How pathetic and useless one can be.

LOL!

The excess of bias and deficit of knowledge you posess is astounding. I suggest you cherish this gift you have been given. It's truly amazing.

@Audio: honestly I feel sorry for you.

You actually get wound up over a random convo with an internet stranger.

Please spend your time with more constructive pursuits than this.

It was fun but you took this too seriously.

Lol, i'm not even wound up. It's calling you for what you are. You even mistake sincerity for "getting wound up". Another example of the lack of electrical activity in between your ears.

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anyhow, i'm going off, i'll call you two deadbeats trash tommorow some more.

 

[AUz]

LOL!

The excess of bias and deficit of knowledge you posess is astounding. I suggest you cherish this gift you have been given. It's truly amazing.

"Excess of bias and deficit of knowledge" ? A "westerner" telling me this? LOL...

Look at the posts of other dumb westerners here who think West to be some born 'superior' civilization from eternity and others just copy it...Talk about bias and deficiency of knowledge.....

PS, what knowledge you can get from oriental histories of other people?

 

[Audio]

"Excess of bias and deficit of knowledge" ? A "westerner" telling me this? LOL...

Look at the posts of other dumb westerners here who think West to be some born 'superior' civilization from eternity and others just copy it...Talk about bias and deficiency of knowledge.....

PS, what knowledge you can get from oriental histories of other people?

eh, the fact your sorry little ass is sitting in the USA is testament enough to superiority. It's like, enuff said. And i won't be educating you on the superiority of Greeks and Romans, considering your "knowledge" (in reality a biased, distorted view of history where world started in the 7th century) you could have learned it all by your self. But you chose to remain stupid, so who am i to object.

Anyhow, going off, enjoy Islamic superpower delusions. Would be funny if it weren't so sad.

 

[AUz]

eh, the fact your sorry little ass is sitting in the USA is testament enough to superiority. It's like, enuff said. And i won't be educating you on the superiority of Greeks and Romans, considering your "knowledge" (in reality a biased, distorted view of history where world started in the 7th century) you could have learned it all by your self. But you chose to remain stupid, so who am i to object.

Again, everyone accepts that West is ahead for last 300 years...no one is denying that..only irrelevant Europeans are feeling insecure because afterall, Europe is again becoming useless trash land with old people, and increasingly less relevance on globe...

And romans weren't superior to Han Chinese at the same time..PS, offcourse, talk about Greek...but then you'd have to talk about superiority of Assyrians, Egyptian Civilization, Persians and so on....No matter how you pick history, East ALWAYS produced more superior civilizations than West (in terms of numbers)..

The 'knowledge' of dumb westerners is so much that they claim "greeks never copied or got knowledge from anyother civilization...and created their own" I wonder if previous civilizations like Egypt, Assyrians etc had no influence on Greece?

First cities were created by East, first civilizations were created by East, all major religions come from East, and even sh!thole europe of darkages was lifted out of their misery by East and its ideas...but then again, West is ahead for merely 300 years and now, it is some sort of inherent superior civilization for poor dumb kids of west...

Give it 50,60 more years....any remaining categories where China hasn't surpassed America already will no longer exist then ...lolol...As I said, East will always be ahead of west in raw industrial production, raw GDP production, raw wealth, raw population, raw resources, raw land etc...It is just natural since East's population is more than West's...

Now go to sleep..you are not even from major European powers...you are from useless small nations which are barely known is history... lol

Anyhow, going off, enjoy Islamic superpower delusions. Would be funny if it weren't so sad.

Ultimate strawman..

No one claimed anything about any Islamic superpower today or in future....I, unlike you, have no delusions...

You are probably from some irrelevant, tiny, useless European nation..like switzerland or romania etc LOL!

 

[UKBengali]

@AUz - you are right.

He does not like more knowledgeable posters that are non-white telling him his
Civilisation will soon amount to nothing.

As he has not achieved much in his life, inferred from his behaviour on this forum,
Only his civilisation staying on top can make him feel good about himself.

 

[AUz]

@AUz - you are right.

He does not like more knowledgeable posters that are non-white telling him his
Civilisation will soon amount to nothing.

As he has not achieved much in his life, inferred from his behaviour on this forum,
Only his civilisation staying on top can make him feel good about himself.

Well, I won't say 'soon'....America is here for atleast another century or more...

But definitely, dumb westerners acting like they are born best and others just copied them and have produced nothing worthwile in history is just pure treat to watch

There is nothing as inherent superior...although every civilization has this self-centered trait of believing themselves to be better than others....

Take out U.S/Australia etc from "West", East is already pretty much up there..and growing faster...lol...

U.S gives the ultimate lead to the Western world over others...Without U.S, China already pales every European nation in terms of industrial production, total GDP, military power, economic output, area, resources, population, infrastructure, and even in scientific production (with just few Europeans faring better) and so on...

 

[UKBengali]

Well, I won't say 'soon'....America is here for atleast another century or more...

But definitely, dumb westerners acting like they are born best and others just copied them and have produced nothing worthwile in history is just pure treat to watch

There is nothing as inherent superior...although every civilization has this self-centered trait of believing themselves to be better than others....

Take out U.S/Australia etc from "West", East is already pretty much up there..and growing faster...lol...

U.S gives the ultimate lead to the Western world over others...Without U.S, China already pales every European nation in terms of industrial production, total GDP, military power, economic output, area, resources, population, infrastructure, and even in scientific production (with just few Europeans faring better) and so on...

Can the US be thought of much longer as "Western Civilisation"? It has a black President and in a few decades there will be more non-whites than whites in the population. More non-white Presidents are bound to naturally follow in the next few decades.

Anyway I don't take him seriously. Like I already said, he probably has not achieved much in his life and maybe "Western Superiority" makes his life more worthwhile.

 

[Lightningbolt]

Without the US, the west is pretty irrelevant. This concept of the 'west' is just American power combined with other western countries giving them help.

You remove the US from the west, and you get a pretty weak so called 'west'.

Western Europe is becoming totally irrelevant with each passing day. Their middle class is shrinking and they have to go into massive debt to maintain their current standard of living.

I have lost a lot of respect for Western Europeans as important people because they are nothing but vassal states of the US. Just goes to show how far Europe has fallen and it will only get worse for them.

 

[EMERCOM]

Different time period then, its been over 20 years now, go and check Central asia most have turned backed to Islam more devoutly save perhaps the Kazakhs but even they are proud Muslims although they are not as observant.

Bah,the phenomena is for uzbeks mainly .Others not so much.I have friends from Turkmen,former Kirgiz SSR and been to central asia also.And proud? Most of them are dirt poor and if given a chance of new socialist union ,they will enter in a heart beat.I cannot say the same for uzbeks who are acrimonous about Russia.

"Excess of bias and deficit of knowledge" ? A "westerner" telling me this? LOL...

Look at the posts of other dumb westerners here who think West to be some born 'superior' civilization from eternity and others just copy it...Talk about bias and deficiency of knowledge.....

PS, what knowledge you can get from oriental histories of other people?

in which elite university you were claiming to study?

 

[anonymus]

@Audio

One correction,

Concept of standing Armies is much more older than you are think.

Even Alexander's Army was professional.He did employed some mercenaries to swell ranks but that is a practiced, even today.

And if you count warrior castes like those of Spartans and Kshatriyas as standing Armies, then this concept is as old as human settlement in communities.



Also uncle Auz (even though being of advanced age and under watch of NSA) is pretty ignorant about how best organizations in the world works. Knowledge is secular and does not come in labels. Today every successful organization requires American ingenuity, Japanese floor/space management practice and Chinese drudgery.


Add to that the fact that at least China and India are transforming their education system on the model of western countries, you would have an East which is a copy of west barring some superficial differences.

The only odd man out of the pack would be uncle Auz muzahids who would be going around killing people for not being right kind of Muslims.

 

[ziaulislam]

Europe is over.

Even Arab World's future looks WAY promising than Europe's...

Europe has very old population, very small resources, very small countries, some immigration problems too...

Only hope for 'West' is United States...It still has a lot of juice left in it.

Three hundred years of Western lead is atlast coming to an end, Inshallah!

Welcome the era of East Asians!

the new world will always be technology and knowledge driven..this is what arab world is lacking..
who knows if fusion energy project is sucess in 2023, the might of oil might come to an end.
the future seems to belong to USA,china, india and other knowledge driven countries

 

[AUz]

@Audio

One correction,

Concept of standing Armies is much more older than you are think.

Even Alexander's Army was professional.He did employed some mercenaries to swell ranks but that is a practiced, even today.

And if you count warrior castes like those of Spartans and Kshatriyas as standing Armies, then this concept is as old as human settlement in communities.

lololol...

Yeah, offcourse. Modern concept of a standing army comes from Kshatriyas and not from Ottomans

Europeans had peasant armies...Standing Armies of Ottomans crushed them in 14th/15th centuries...Europeans reformed and adapted the concept of standing armies...I wonder who Europeans copied in this regard? Oh yes, the spartans!

The first modern standing armies in Europe were the Janissaries of the Ottoman Empire, formed in the fourteenth century AD..

Ottoman Centuries: The Rise and Fall of the Turkish Empire page 52

Lords of the Horizons: A History of the Ottoman Empire. page 59, 179-181

Both of these books, written by different authors, talk about the same thing. Modern concept of standing armies came to Europe though the Ottomans, because Ottomans had defeated Europeans, compelling them to "modernize" by copying the success of Ottoman.

But I guess Spartans came from outer galaxies to give the idea of modern standing armies to Europe

Also uncle Auz (even though being of advanced age and under watch of NSA) is pretty ignorant about how best organizations in the world works. Knowledge is secular and does not come in labels. Today every successful organization requires American ingenuity, Japanese floor/space management practice and Chinese drudgery.

No one even claimed otherwise. We all know that knowledge is secular and one should copy success where ever it lies..

The whole point of discussion was to demonstrate that its not the East who always copy West...West has also copied East..and in significant terms...but you, being a bhartiii, i.e a loyal a$$ licker of your western masters, will jump in to show your loyalty to your masters....lolol...

The only odd man out of the pack would be uncle Auz muzahids who would be going around killing people for not being right kind of Muslims.

lol, again, a dumb point with no relevance!

in which elite university you were claiming to study?

You don't need to know. Just talk on my posts and leave aside your bullsh!ttery.

in which elite university you were claiming to study?

You don't need to know. Just talk on my posts and leave aside your bullsh!ttery.

 

[flamer84]

This sht had me crying.

"Yesterday, we slaughtered them and we will continue to slaughter them."

"It has been rumored that we have fired scud missiles into Kuwait. I am here now to tell you, we do not have any scud missiles and I don't know why they were fired into Kuwait."

"Our initial assessment is that they will all die."

comedy gold

 

[Audio]

Again, everyone accepts that West is ahead for last 300 years...no one is denying that..only irrelevant Europeans are feeling insecure because afterall, Europe is again becoming useless trash land with old people, and increasingly less relevance on globe..

Iron:
Romans: 82.500 tons
Hans: 5.000 tons

Copper:
Romans: 15.000 tons
Hans. negligable

Lead:
Romans: 80.000 tons
Hans: negligable

Comparison between Roman and Han Empires - Wikiversity

And romans weren't superior to Han Chinese at the same time..PS, offcourse, talk about Greek...but then you'd have to talk about superiority of Assyrians, Egyptian Civilization, Persians and so on....No matter how you pick history, East ALWAYS produced more superior civilizations than West (in terms of numbers)..

The 'knowledge' of dumb westerners is so much that they claim "greeks never copied or got knowledge from anyother civilization...and created their own" I wonder if previous civilizations like Egypt, Assyrians etc had no influence on Greece?

lol, Romans crushed everyone of those civilizations, while their empire lasted for a millenia and it's eastern incarnation for a millenia more after that. In contrast you offer "superpower" Islamic empires that lasted a mere 900 years. You also conveniently forget that Islamic civilizations got their knowledge from the Greeks, while harping on and on how the Greeks got everything from Egypt, Assyrians etc...
Romans also dwarfed any economy the Han Chinese had, uh and the little Caliphate was insignificant Here dummy:

At its peak around the mid-2nd century AD, Roman stock is estimated at 10,000 t, five to ten times larger than the combined silver mass of medieval Europe and the Caliphate around 800 AD.

Roman economy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

First cities were created by East, first civilizations were created by East, all major religions come from East, and even sh!thole europe of darkages was lifted out of their misery by East and its ideas...but then again, West is ahead for merely 300 years and now, it is some sort of inherent superior civilization for poor dumb kids of west...

Give it 50,60 more years....any remaining categories where China hasn't surpassed America already will no longer exist then ...lolol...As I said, East will always be ahead of west in raw industrial production, raw GDP production, raw wealth, raw population, raw resources, raw land etc...It is just natural since East's population is more than West's...

Considering i've proved you wrong on your oh so cherished history, your predictions of the future are also useless.

Now go to sleep..you are not even from major European powers...you are from useless small nations which are barely known is history... lol

Kido, you're an immigrant. Enuff said. While i live in a city founded by the Romans, less then 500 km north of Rome.

The first modern standing armies in Europe were the Janissaries of the Ottoman Empire, formed in the fourteenth century AD..

LOl, now that we've educated you that standing armies were a standard thing in the past and the first one was created in the west you suddenly changed the criteria to modern standing army. Pathetic much?

You don't need to know. Just talk on my posts and leave aside your bullsh!ttery.

Your posts are BS, that's why he asked in which institution you got it from Then again, taxi drivers don't go to university, do they?

Ultimate strawman..No one claimed anything about any Islamic superpower today or in future....I, unlike you, have no delusions...

You are probably from some irrelevant, tiny, useless European nation..like switzerland or romania etc LOL!

What a joke you are. No wonder mods keep banning you. You're dead weight to bandwidth they pay. Your delusions are related to your fantasy that Islamic world was some sort of superpower while it didn't even last a millenia and even at that, it wasn't a single entity but pathetic little kingdoms that fell to Europeans as soon as they showed up on their shores.
Only the Ottomans were a power and they don't want to have anything with deadbeat people like you and your backward bigoted religion and ideology. Switzerland can buy every soul in Pakistan lol. You'd be happy if you came from a tiny, useless nation like Switzerland, or even Romania.


You're a running joke buddy, only pathetic immigrants on welfare like UKBengali and paid chi bots agree with you.
In conclusion, you can post whatever sourceless gibberish you wish in your next post, i'll just make you look like a fool with links and sources. That is until you get banned again, judging by your temper and BS you spew, it shouldn't take long.