Foreign Technologies in the C919

[Han Patriot]

Of course FAA certification is not a must IF China want to ignore it.

https://www.faa.gov/aircraft/air_cert/international/bilateral_agreements/overview

The problem is...

Cell phones do not kill people. Cars, boats, and airplanes -- do. Statistically speaking, air travel is safer than car travel, but whenever an aviation mishap occurs, it is %99 percent fatal for all involved. The US is the world's leader in aviation. China is still a child, and I say that kindly. If the US refused to recognize China's aviation standards, what do you think the rest of the world will do? Here is something else you might want to consider.

Many airports have special certifications for PILOTS to land, those that do not require still want pilots to qualify to international standards for training.

https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/us_restrictions/airspace/

Foreign aircraft may fly in the U.S. if they have an airworthiness certificate equivalent to a U.S. standard airworthiness certificate.​

So just because the C919 is certified by China to land at domestic airports, that does not mean other countries will allow the C919 to land at their airports, even if they do not buy and fly the C919. If something bad happens at an airport, it could hold up operations for who knows how long.

https://www.faa.gov/aircraft/air_cert/airworthiness_certification/aw_overview

(FAA) Aircraft Certification Service includes more than 1,300 engineers, scientists, inspectors, test pilots and other experts. They are responsible for oversight of design, production, airworthiness certification, and continued airworthiness programs for all U.S. civil aviation products and foreign import products. The FAA collaborates with the International Civil Aviation Organization and other civil aviation authorities to maintain and advance the safety of international air transportation.​

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The Certification Process​

The FAA's aircraft certification processes are well established and have consistently assured safe aircraft designs. As part of any certification project, we conduct the following:​

• Review any proposed designs and the methods that will be used to show that these designs and the overall airplane complies with FAA standards
• Conduct certain ground and flight tests to demonstrate that the airplane meets the FAA standards
• Evaluate the airplane to determine the required maintenance and operational suitability for introduction of the aircraft into service
• Work with other civil aviation authorities on their approval of the aircraft, based primarily on work already completed by the FAA

Did YOU actually performed basic research before you post? What does the highlighted mean? It mean China simply cannot 'ban' or ignore FAA certification without international consequences. Those 'other civil aviation authorities' will wonder why. Of course, China can always resort to bribery. I will admit money does talk if applied to the appropriate people.

Let us know when China hire YOU as civil aviation consultant on how to deal with the US.


They come here because they get to learn a lot about issues they cannot access from China and/or from fellow Chinese elsewhere. But they cannot admit their ignorance so they have to resort to cheap insults to maintain face.

Calm your tits down bro. I am saying something that will most likely happen in the future. Of course FAA is a hegemon now.

 

[gambit]

Calm your tits down bro. I am saying something that will most likely happen in the future. Of course FAA is a hegemon now.

More like you and your friends need to calm your tiddies. Seems like every time done something the US done a decade+ ago, you guys go off the rails. So what law of physics is the C919 going to break this time?

 

[Han Patriot]

I'm not sure why you think that is one-sided.

Planes that fly in Europe need to be certified by EASA
Planes that fly in China need to be certified by CAAC.
Planes that fly in Australia need to be certified by CASA.
Planes that fly in Brazil need to be certified by ANAC.

the list goes on...
The FAA is just one of many..however it is likely some countries use the FAA as their certifier.

I'm not sure why you think that is one-sided.

Planes that fly in Europe need to be certified by EASA
Planes that fly in China need to be certified by CAAC.
Planes that fly in Australia need to be certified by CASA.
Planes that fly in Brazil need to be certified by ANAC.

the list goes on...
The FAA is just one of many..however it is likely some countries use the FAA as their certifier.

I suggest you read about the Arj21 saga.

More like you and your friends need to calm your tiddies. Seems like every time done something the US done a decade+ ago, you guys go off the rails. So what law of physics is the C919 going to break this time?

Yup and we are catching up real fast. Why do you think suddenly US is so anxious now and going all paaranoid. Lolol

 

[gambit]

Yup and we are catching up real fast. Why do you think suddenly US is so anxious now and going all paaranoid. Lolol

Not taking credit from that. Even thieves deserves kudos for their ingenuity to get what they want.

 

[beijingwalker]

Not taking credit from that. Even thieves deserves kudos for their ingenuity to get what they want.

Thieves? you don't know some people living on a stolen land, don't you?

 

[gambit]

Thieves? you don't know some people living on a stolen land, don't you?

We are talking about aviation, not land.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Just an example to show that most modern civilian technology is sourced from all over the world. Sometimes from unexpected places. So, this argument about C919 being a western plane made in China or a 'true' Chinese plane is absurd. It is no more western than a 787 is Japanese/European.

Just because GE has research centers around the world (they do other things too besides making engines) doesn't mean the engine development is outsourced.

 

[AZMwi]

He has no arguments for anything, so he can only resort to cheap insults.

at least it's better than invading other countries, killing innocents and stealing their resources

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

So US can't sanctions the C919. It will be also sanctioning it's own companies and it's allies.

Only ~10 have been built so far..as if it is going to suddenly ruin these companies.

We are talking about aviation, not land.

His usual fallback tangent when he has no good rebuttals.

 

[Han Patriot]

Not taking credit from that. Even thieves deserves kudos for their ingenuity to get what they want.

Whatever it takes mate. Steal copy spy buy rent absorb improve then once everything is digested, innovate. We are like cockroaches, you just can't kill us. Saved us tonnes of money and time.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Whatever it takes mate. Steal copy spy buy rent absorb improve then once everything is digested, innovate. We are like cockroaches, you just can't kill us. Saved us tonnes of money and time.

Don't forget...you'll then make sure to highly stress it was "indigenously developed".

 

[Han Patriot]

Don't forget...you'll then make sure to highly stress it was "indigenously developed".

It is, indigenous means you don't need to depend on foreigners to do something. Look in this world only China can be a real peer competitor to US for a reason, because we are so stubborn and we don't want to yield to US dominance. We want to be independent, is it wrong to strive to be sovereign? The world had been bullied by US long enough, and we are challenging tha, smallee countries are looking, they realise hey if China can do it, we can do it too. Dollars are not that scary anymore, sanctions are not scary anymore, there is an alternative. Realise US is the monster here, ironically not the CCP. Lololol

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

It is, indigenous means you don't need to depend on foreigners to do something.

LOL! Chinese double-speak!

The compass and paper were indigenously developed by Europeans.

Luckily they never had to rely on the Chinese for anything. Phew! Thank goodness all that talk from Chinese members saying they owe a lot to China for its advances was the usual bunch of BS and China didn't really contribute anything towards the advancement of mankind.

 

[Han Patriot]

LOL! Chinese double-speak!

The compass and paper was indigenous developed by Europeans.

Luckily they never had to rely on the Chinese for anything. Phew! Thank goodness all that talk from Chinese members saying they owe alot to China was a bunch of BS.

And the automobile was from Germany, and the rocket from V2? Dude, wake up and smell the coffee. We are unscrupulous, shrewd and hyper competitive. Look at youe Asian nerd scoring 4 pointers, now imagine a gazillion of these hungry students in China, filteted out and doing research for China. I tell you, as long as there is no war, and the country is stable, the future is ours. We don't have genital mutilation trans ideology. I look at Matt Walsh and was like, US is reallt polarized, if Trump wins, US is gonna disintegrate. Lolol

 

[KampfAlwin]

LMAO It's so funny seeing copium from certain peoples, hahaha