For Paf: How To Invest The $270 Million Saved From The F16 Purchase

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Let us even out that number to $300 million even. This is a good sum of money for the paf to invest into its future procurement program.

The first 50 million dollars need to put as down payment for a LEASE of 1 sqdrn of J10C aircraft----if you can get them with lesser down payment---well and good---.

The second 100 million dollars needs to be spent for a physical upgrade of the JF17 to the future BLK4 standards.

The BLK4 aircraft should have a physical upgrade like the Gripen NG----wheels moved outwards towards the wings---providing more space on the fuselage for fuel storage---the modular fuselage upgraded for a larger powerful engine---the wings given a slightly larger covered area---basically making this aircraft around 15 - 20 % larger with a load carrying capacity of around 7500 lbs---9 to 11 hard points.

With this design paf would kill two birds with one stone.

It would still build the BLK 2/3---because this aircraft has its own unique utility----the supposed BLK 4---the larger aircraft will fill in the hole of the missing F16's and take it to the next step upwards---.

My supposed BLK 4 project would be completed in about a year / year and a half time and in two years looking at production.

The rest of the 100-150 million dollars would be down payment for an electronic package available from either Vixen or Aselsan or the chinese for the purchase of a potent electronic warfare system for an X number of aircraft.

Once the first sqdrn of the BLK 4 is available and integrated---the paf may chose to return the leased J10C's if it wants to----.

Thery can then look forward to building about a 150-200 my BLK4 type JF17's and keep up with the BLK3 production as well if there are any buyers for that aircraft

We also need to keep in mind that the BLK 4 would also be coming with a 2 seater aircraft.

With a larger aircraft in service---the paf then can focus on the J31 type of aircraft.

The main reason I am taling about my BLK 4 design is that the if we got the F16's---we won't start to get them for another 2-3 years----and same with any other aircraft from an outside vendor.

We can have our own BLK 4 in that time period---and a sqdrn of Leased J10C's would give us the needed cover for the time being.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Hi,

Let us even out that number to $300 million even. This is a good sum of money for the paf to invest into its future procurement program.

The first 50 million dollars need to put as down payment for a LEASE of 1 sqdrn of J10C aircraft----if you can get them with lesser down payment---well and good---.

The second 100 million dollars needs to be spent for a physical upgrade of the JF17 to the future BLK4 standards.

The BLK4 aircraft should have a physical upgrade like the Gripen NG----wheels moved outwards towards the wings---providing more space on the fuselage for fuel storage---the modular fuselage upgraded for a larger powerful engine---the wings given a slightly larger covered area---basically making this aircraft around 15 - 20 % larger with a load carrying capacity of around 7500 lbs---9 to 11 hard points.

With this design paf would kill two birds with one stone.

It would still build the BLK 2/3---because this aircraft has its own unique utility----the supposed BLK 4---the larger aircraft will fill in the hole of the missing F16's and take it to the next step upwards---.

My supposed BLK 4 project would be completed in about a year / year and a half time and in two years looking at production.

The rest of the 100-150 million dollars would be down payment for an electronic package available from either Vixen or Aselsan or the chinese for the purchase of a potent electronic warfare system for an X number of aircraft.

Once the first sqdrn of the BLK 4 is available and integrated---the paf may chose to return the leased J10C's if it wants to----.

Thery can then look forward to building about a 150-200 my BLK4 type JF17's and keep up with the BLK3 production as well if there are any buyers for that aircraft

We also need to keep in mind that the BLK 4 would also be coming with a 2 seater aircraft.

With a larger aircraft in service---the paf then can focus on the J31 type of aircraft.

The main reason I am taling about my BLK 4 design is that the if we got the F16's---we won't start to get them for another 2-3 years----and same with any other aircraft from an outside vendor.

We can have our own BLK 4 in that time period---and a sqdrn of Leased J10C's would give us the needed cover for the time being.

If F 16 costs 90 Million a Unit

Then J 10 C with AESA will cost at least 60 Million Dollars ; a piece

 

[Genghis khan1]

How about joining Turkey in their 5 Gen TFX project by investing $300 million into a Super-computer for materials and aerodynamic research work. Paying China to do our work will yield nothing in the long run.

 

[Nilgiri]

What is the current latest status on getting the F-16s? US not budging, Pakistan not budging and no one going to blink first?...or something else?

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@MastanKhan

One squadron of J 10 C will cost Pakistan One Billion dollars ie FRIENDSHIP price

Now the International Norms are 15 percent Down Payment

So down payment will be 150 Million dollars and NOT 50 Million as you are infering

 

[Mav3rick]

What is the current latest status on getting the F-16s? US not budging, Pakistan not budging and no one going to blink first?...or something else?

The Pressler amendment almost made us independent until 9/11. Another 10-15 years and we would have been out of the clutches of US. The only way the US has any leverage over us is their weapons and spares sales to Pakistan, without that their leverage over us ends and leaves us wide open to make decisions independently and absent nonsense US pressure.

 

[Nilgiri]

The Pressler amendment almost made us independent until 9/11. Another 10-15 years and we would have been out of the clutches of US. The only way the US has any leverage over us is their weapons and spares sales to Pakistan, without that their leverage over us ends and leaves us wide open to make decisions independently and absent nonsense US pressure.

I know all of this. But Pakistan made the conscious decision to stay hooked on the F-16s...I still remember a thread in another Pakistani forum celebrating beating India at cricket and getting new F-16s around the same timespan of days....many years back.

I was just wondering if anyone has any idea if any inside info on who is going to blink first etc...in this current deal. After all many were celebrating earlier in the year when this deal did not get defeated in US senate when Rand Paul brought it to a vote (to stop subsidized F-16s going to Pakistan)...so its obviously still a complicated matter even within Pakistan defence community.

 

[Mav3rick]

I know all of this. But Pakistan made the conscious decision to stay hooked on the F-16s...I still remember a thread in another Pakistani forum celebrating beating India at cricket and getting new F-16s around the same timespan of days....many years back.

I was just wondering if anyone has any idea if any inside info on who is going to blink first etc...in this current deal. After all many were celebrating earlier in the year when this deal did not get defeated in US senate when Rand Paul brought it to a vote (to stop subsidized F-16s going to Pakistan)...so its obviously still a complicated matter even within Pakistan defence community.

I have no insider information. But I think that the US will find a way to supply and fund the F-16's. It has too much at stake, too much to lose.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

The current cost of the F16 BLK 52 is somewhere between $40-45 million a piece---50 mil at the most. The 90 million is a 5 years spare parts package included---in which around 20-25 million is a hidden charge that will go back to the U S govt for any black projects.

So---their own money and some of ours will be diverted for the kinky stuff.

Now as the level of threat is increasing in the south china seas---the price of the J10C is coming down as well----. In last february---they were on offer of 1 sqdrn for immediate delivery from existing stock----and payments on soft loans---which could also mean something minimal. The level of chinese anxiety is increasing as to the increase in U S presence in that area---.

How about joining Turkey in their 5 Gen TFX project by investing $300 million into a Super-computer for materials and aerodynamic research work. Paying China to do our work will yield nothing in the long run.

Hi,

The J31 is already flying for awhile now----. The 20 has gone into production phase if I am not wrong---. All equipment and systems tested would be utilized on the J31---the chinese engine has already been given the go ahead for production I believe----.

So---I don't see why pakistan would wait for 10-15 years to get the Turkish aircraft---whereas the J31 could be available in the next 5-7 years.

 

[Arsalan]

If F 16 costs 90 Million a Unit

Then J 10 C with AESA will cost at least 60 Million Dollars ; a piece

He mentioned LEASE!

What is the current latest status on getting the F-16s? US not budging, Pakistan not budging and no one going to blink first?...or something else?

Pretty much like this!

 

[ziaulislam]

Hi,

Let us even out that number to $300 million even. This is a good sum of money for the paf to invest into its future procurement program.

The first 50 million dollars need to put as down payment for a LEASE of 1 sqdrn of J10C aircraft----if you can get them with lesser down payment---well and good---.

The second 100 million dollars needs to be spent for a physical upgrade of the JF17 to the future BLK4 standards.

The BLK4 aircraft should have a physical upgrade like the Gripen NG----wheels moved outwards towards the wings---providing more space on the fuselage for fuel storage---the modular fuselage upgraded for a larger powerful engine---the wings given a slightly larger covered area---basically making this aircraft around 15 - 20 % larger with a load carrying capacity of around 7500 lbs---9 to 11 hard points.

With this design paf would kill two birds with one stone.

It would still build the BLK 2/3---because this aircraft has its own unique utility----the supposed BLK 4---the larger aircraft will fill in the hole of the missing F16's and take it to the next step upwards---.

My supposed BLK 4 project would be completed in about a year / year and a half time and in two years looking at production.

The rest of the 100-150 million dollars would be down payment for an electronic package available from either Vixen or Aselsan or the chinese for the purchase of a potent electronic warfare system for an X number of aircraft.

Once the first sqdrn of the BLK 4 is available and integrated---the paf may chose to return the leased J10C's if it wants to----.

Thery can then look forward to building about a 150-200 my BLK4 type JF17's and keep up with the BLK3 production as well if there are any buyers for that aircraft

We also need to keep in mind that the BLK 4 would also be coming with a 2 seater aircraft.

With a larger aircraft in service---the paf then can focus on the J31 type of aircraft.

The main reason I am taling about my BLK 4 design is that the if we got the F16's---we won't start to get them for another 2-3 years----and same with any other aircraft from an outside vendor.

We can have our own BLK 4 in that time period---and a sqdrn of Leased J10C's would give us the needed cover for the time being.

simply,
buying a good targeting pod for thunder.
if possible adding a fifth gen air to air missile and possible AESA upgrade with onboard IRST.
getting two more hard points below the fuselage.

 

[MastanKhan]

@MastanKhan

One squadron of J 10 C will cost Pakistan One Billion dollars ie FRIENDSHIP price

Now the International Norms are 15 percent Down Payment

So down payment will be 150 Million dollars and NOT 50 Million as you are infering

Sir,

I have already answered. Thank you for your time.

 

[Viper0011.]

Hi,

Let us even out that number to $300 million even. This is a good sum of money for the paf to invest into its future procurement program.

The first 50 million dollars need to put as down payment for a LEASE of 1 sqdrn of J10C aircraft----if you can get them with lesser down payment---well and good---.

The second 100 million dollars needs to be spent for a physical upgrade of the JF17 to the future BLK4 standards.

The BLK4 aircraft should have a physical upgrade like the Gripen NG----wheels moved outwards towards the wings---providing more space on the fuselage for fuel storage---the modular fuselage upgraded for a larger powerful engine---the wings given a slightly larger covered area---basically making this aircraft around 15 - 20 % larger with a load carrying capacity of around 7500 lbs---9 to 11 hard points.

With this design paf would kill two birds with one stone.

It would still build the BLK 2/3---because this aircraft has its own unique utility----the supposed BLK 4---the larger aircraft will fill in the hole of the missing F16's and take it to the next step upwards---.

My supposed BLK 4 project would be completed in about a year / year and a half time and in two years looking at production.

The rest of the 100-150 million dollars would be down payment for an electronic package available from either Vixen or Aselsan or the chinese for the purchase of a potent electronic warfare system for an X number of aircraft.

Once the first sqdrn of the BLK 4 is available and integrated---the paf may chose to return the leased J10C's if it wants to----.

Thery can then look forward to building about a 150-200 my BLK4 type JF17's and keep up with the BLK3 production as well if there are any buyers for that aircraft

We also need to keep in mind that the BLK 4 would also be coming with a 2 seater aircraft.

With a larger aircraft in service---the paf then can focus on the J31 type of aircraft.

The main reason I am taling about my BLK 4 design is that the if we got the F16's---we won't start to get them for another 2-3 years----and same with any other aircraft from an outside vendor.

We can have our own BLK 4 in that time period---and a sqdrn of Leased J10C's would give us the needed cover for the time being.

I charge 25-30% for giving out a strategy to big clients....PAF seems like a few hundred million worth client in this case. So if I get even 15% of the $ 300 million (with 15% fat discount), I would be happy to create a strategy for the PAF . This is a great deal with very minimal margin to my org you know


On the issue of what to do? Lease a squadron of the latest J-10C's to get acquainted with them. See if this jet has any serious fit, otherwise it would help fill up the gaps right away and the training won't be too difficult as the PAF's been operating much more complex 2ng gen Mirages with delta wings. If the PAF likes the next version of this jet, get it with TOT and call it the JFT block IV!!

Also put investments into J-31 tech miniaturization project and start producing stuff in Pakistan slowly. This tech should then be put into turning the future JFT block 5 into a Stealthy one. If some money is left, invest / JV with Turkey, Italy, Russia or South Africa into getting (preferably with some or all TOT) longer range SAAM and medium to long range AAM's.

This way, from SAAMs to advance BVR's to the JFT block IV as a heavier platform, will all be produced internally to the majority of degree, saving billions in the long run and growing the internal industry.

 

[Sipahi]

How about joining Turkey in their 5 Gen TFX project by investing $300 million into a Super-computer for materials and aerodynamic research work. Paying China to do our work will yield nothing in the long run.

I think it is the best option available out there.

 

[Spectre]

He mentioned LEASE!


Pretty much like this!

Lease of how many years? Let's assume 10 years.

Considering life of 20 years, rule of thumb is that you have to pay a lumpsum of 50% at the beginning. This is how leases work