No J-10B for PAF | A.C Khalid, calls for a focus on 5th generation platform instead.

[Centurion2016]

India has a far larger territory to cover, and also it is operating lot of Dinosaur platforms
It is a bit not fair to start a comparison between Pakistan's upgrade program vs that of India as the two programs have different threads in different section of the defence forum

ONE CAREFUL look at PAF and you will see 70% of the PAF fleet is what you call Dinosaur . In simple nos you have 350 fighters but only 120 4th generation fighters ie Thunders /Falcons

Look Across the Border And their dinosaur Fleet is only 40% . In other words ouf 550 the IAF has 350 4th Generation fighters.

With The Rafale deal signed today and Tejas induction the Indians will reach COMPLETE -4th generation fleet in 4 or 5 years .

FOR PAF to achieve 100% they need to induct 250 more thunders falcons or something else.

THAT SOMETHING ELSE currently seems

most realistic used F16 and thunders ..........BUT HOW MANY and how effective are these really post 2019

Order for J10B .......... again cost new platform and how many can you buy to bridge gap

WAIT decade to get a 5th generation platform .........

 

[Asian.Century]

JF-17 Thunder's deputy project director, Air Commodore Khalid Mehmood by Air Force Monthly, a question was brought up regarding J-10B/FC-20 acquisition proposal.

He stated the reasons why Pakistan doesn't need/can't afford another 4+ generation fighter when we are developing JF-17s in advanced blocks and our F-16 MLU-MIII upgrade is coming along well with the new Block-52+ squadron.

He also suggested that our analysts and strategic planners should think about 5th generation acquisition in the future instead of buying up another 4+ generation aircraft. Please note that this doesn't mean to imply that the J-10B is somehow 'inferior'. The hypothesis is that PAF doesn't need capabilities it already has, it needs to look ahead.

Air Commodore suggest that why J10 cannot be acquired is because it does not need or cannot afford it, and J10B is not some high advance than Block III of JF17s or F16s, plausible points, J10B is simply not good enough leap forward...but are we going to buy 100+ 5th Generation??

I think Su-35, EF or Gripen NG are the capabilities PAF does not have in its inventory: fast, agile, LONG RANGE, TVC, AESA etc, this is the significant capability enhancement PAF needs in small numbers.

 

[volatile]

Photoshopped Image with CFT /Pods /10+ Hardpoints ,dual seat,IFF ,Aerial Refueling ,IRST

 

[AFlover]

Photoshopped Image with CFT /Pods /10+ Hardpoints ,dual seat,IFF ,Aerial Refueling ,IRST

Thats really a beauty with 10 HP its a treat if the engine issue is resolved.
It will definitely add numbers and qualitative edge due to IRST, CFT and AESA.
Block 3 with all the goodies still have low powered engine and fewer HPs.
I m not sure how PAF will get more F16 to fill up rhe gap there is nothing for sale in east /west.
We seriously need to replace all F7s and Pgs along with mirages.
In how many years the block 3 will fill up that 200 gap.
Its a strange strategy to wait for another 5 years to induct J31.

 

[Centurion2016]

J31,will not be ready for export. In five years .
More likely ten years .

The f16 block 52,is available but relationship with USA is poor and India is a growing USA strategic ally and support for falcons will be efected in a war . USA will not be rushing in spares. Imo this is a real issue in Pakistani minds sanction threat is a problem


The eurofighter and su35 .are availsble but the question I's resources and its a new combat type in top of thunders mirsges f7 f16 future purchase of j31,. Too many combat types is something you label.India with but a small nation like paf with six combat types us a nitemate too.

Ideally you need two types only or three max not five or six

 

[volatile]

Thats really a beauty with 10 HP its a treat if the engine issue is resolved.

There are not so big Issue with AL41F being perfected from all the previous defects from AL31

 

[AFlover]

There are not so big Issue with AL41F being perfected from all the previous defects from AL31

Thanks for info but then there is no reason to reject or delay the acquisitions of J10-BC
I m sure JFT-3 will bring a lot of similarity of J10 but still it will be 30-40% below the J10

 

[volatile]

Hi reasons are more complicated than this . in 2006 J10 was intender for PAF but deal wasnot materialize after 10 years J10 seems a difficuly buy probably J31 can make inroads

Thanks for info but then there is no reason to reject or delay the acquisitions of J10-BC
I m sure JFT-3 will bring a lot of similarity of J10 but still it will be 30-40% below the J10

 

[thrilainmanila]

in all honesty PAF would have been in a much more confident position had they had those 36 J-10Bs

 

[RAAJ大和]

Very good we should focus on 5th Gen or even 6th rather than 4th Gen's

 

[SQ8]

For the J-10B proponents, a study on the Lavi which essentially applies to a large extent for the J-10.
@Manticore @Tempest II

 

[thrilainmanila]

Laanat just happened on the LOC and your talking about jay-10

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Wah Ji Wah Kiya JANGI JAHAZ hai !!!! Air cheif Sir , where are your stealth ?

By the way there is huge technological difference between J10B and Levi

Fighter Jet is 90% Technology items inside it , and 10% Body


In 70's cockpit design was not as technologically advance as it is now

Vs J10B

If Levi platform was more advance please share a new picture

Plus DOUBLE SEATER

• J10B had better Missiles to offer
• Better Avionics package
  
• Better Options for upgrade
  
• New engines

 

[SQ8]

Laanat just happened on the LOC and your talking about jay-10

It's you're. And anyone can talk about anything based upon their interests as long as its not baseless parroting.

 

[thrilainmanila]

It's you're. And anyone can talk about anything based upon their interests as long as its not baseless parroting.

You know the score why speak of a fighterthe pak fazaya will never obtain lets debate the impending issue at hand its a reality is jay10 a reality maybe if A PAF pilot got hold of a call of duty game but thats as close as there going to go with that score im afraid