No J-10B for PAF | A.C Khalid, calls for a focus on 5th generation platform instead.

[MastanKhan]

the money Pak would pay for the J-10C then to retrofitt it with a different EW suit, they'd be better off buying the SU-35 it may be even cheaper and even better (when your buying su-35 your guaranteed High class performance) with J-10 its unknown.

Hi,

The J10C would still be cheaper---but then you have to see first if the SU35 is available or not.

 

[Akasa]

the money Pak would pay for the J-10C then to retrofitt it with a different EW suit, they'd be better off buying the SU-35 it may be even cheaper and even better (when your buying su-35 your guaranteed High class performance) with J-10 its unknown.

The Su-35's performance isn't any more known than that of the J-10C.

 

[thrilainmanila]

The Su-35's performance isn't any more known than that of the J-10C.

SU-35 gives you high class guaranteed performance, trailed and tested, the J-10C is an experimentation. The SU-35 is based upon proven 4th generation technology thats evolved, the J-10 hasn't gone through the same evolution.

 

[Akasa]

SU-35 gives you high class guaranteed performance

Guaranteed by what/whom? How is this guarantee validated any more than that of any other fighter aircraft?

, trailed and tested,

As are any other aircraft.

the J-10C is an experimentation.

The J-10C is in service, a few steps further than "experimentation".

The SU-35 is based upon proven 4th generation technology thats evolved,

What does "proven" mean to you? If by "proven" you allude to weapons qualifications and evaluation, then the Su-35 is no special case, as other aircraft undergo the exact same route.

the J-10 hasn't gone through the same evolution.

Uh, yes, it has.

 

[thrilainmanila]

Guaranteed by what/whom? How is this guarantee validated any more than that of any other fighter aircraft?



As are any other aircraft.



The J-10C is in service, a few steps further than "experimentation".



What does "proven" mean to you? If by "proven" you allude to weapons qualifications and evaluation, then the Su-35 is no special case, as other aircraft undergo the exact same route.



Uh, yes, it has.

China brought the SU-27 series there basing all there latest aircraft designs on the Flankers, the flankers have evolved the SU-30 evolved from the SU-27 and took it to another level just look at the SU-30. the design evolved and became an international success story 10 Nations including china purchased the SU-30(china brought 94 jets), the SU-34 Came along and now the SU-35 the aircraft is based on trailed and tested technology which has been upgraded on internationally proven 4th generation ++ technology. The same can not be said about the J-10 which is an experimentation fighter jet, its evolution is limited.

 

[Akasa]

China brought the SU-27 series there basing all there latest aircraft designs on the Flankers, the flankers have evolved the SU-30 evolved from the SU-27 and took it to another level just look at the SU-30. the design evolved and became an international success story 10 Nations including china purchased the SU-30(china brought 94 jets), the SU-34 Came along and now the SU-35 the aircraft is based on trailed and tested technology which has been upgraded on internationally proven 4th generation ++ technology. The same can not be said about the J-10 which is an experimentation fighter jet, its evolution is limited.

Are you being serious? All aircraft are designed around principles that have been grounded in previous platforms and/or engineering studies. Whether one aircraft is a direct descendant of another or not has no bearing on the persistent fact that its design is a direct product of other aircraft that preceded it.

If the above does little to convince you, then it is worth noting that the J-10 design evolved from the J-9 design that originated in the 1970s.

 

[thrilainmanila]

Are you being serious? All aircraft are designed around principles that have been grounded in previous platforms and/or engineering studies. Whether one aircraft is a direct descendant of another or not has no bearing on the persistent fact that its design is a direct product of other aircraft that preceded it.

If the above does little to convince you, then it is worth noting that the J-10 design evolved from the J-9 design that originated in the 1970s.

J-10s design evolved but not the fighter!!!, the design really started to take off once israel sold its lavi design. The J-10 as a fighter has not gone through the same radical change, the Flanker is masterful in the sense that its proven 4G+ the SU-30 right now can compete with the F-15E strike eagle and is on level with it. yet its being perfected to the oomph degree which is truely a credit to the russians i can't say the same for the J-10, you think the J-10C could compete with a SU-30MKK i doubt it sir. J-10 isn't mature enough.

 

[Akasa]

J-10s design evolved but not the fighter!!!, the design really started to take off once israel sold its lavi design. The J-10 as a fighter has not gone through the same radical change, the Flanker is masterful in the sense that its proven 4G+ the SU-30 right now can compete with the F-15E strike eagle and is on level with it. yet its being perfected to the oomph degree which is truely a credit to the russians i can't say the same for the J-10, you think the J-10C could compete with a SU-30MKK i doubt it sir. J-10 isn't mature enough.

You didn't read my post, did you?

All aircraft, be it the Su-27 family or the one-off Gripen, are designed according to engineering and aeronautical principles that do not fluctuate from design to design. Hence, it is pointless to use the virtue of being "proven" to gauge an aircraft's capabilities since its design would be rooted in these engineering principles regardless of its airframe lineage. A Sukhoi Su-27 is not in any way "superior" to a Gripen just because the former belongs to a large design series.

I do not know what "radical change" you speak of is so important to an aircraft's capabilities, but keep note that the J-10C sports an AESA radar in addition to integrated solid-state electronics, new EW suite, application of radar absorbent and composite material, cockpit upgrades, and MAWS. Not one member of the Su-30 family can claim to have all of that.

 

[wiseone2]

SU-35 gives you high class guaranteed performance, trailed and tested, the J-10C is an experimentation. The SU-35 is based upon proven 4th generation technology thats evolved, the J-10 hasn't gone through the same evolution.

which independent or professional air force has tested the Su-35 ? I know the PLAAF acquired 24 aircraft. that is more to absorb technology.

I am sure it is a capable aircraft. how good is it ? how reliable is it ? those are unknowns

The J-10 is a complete black hole. No one outside of China knows the full story. May be the CIA

 

[帅的一匹]

Su35 is dual engine and J10 is single engine, comparison between them doesn't make sense.

 

[Zain Malik]

Thats true.

Today i have seen you after a long time. WELCOME BACK.

Su35 is dual engine and J10 is single engine, comparison between them doesn't make sense.