F-7

[EagleEyes]

Originally posted by miroslav@Dec 4 2005, 02:58 PM
Read the MiG-21 Bison Programme of IAF again in the same thread.

Thanks,

Miro

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Most of the stuff is from Russia and developed by DRDO of India.

 

[miroslav]

Originally posted by WebMaster@Dec 5 2005, 05:54 AM
Most of the stuff is from Russia and developed by DRDO of India.

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Replace the word DRDO with HAL.

Thanks,

Miro

 

[Tiger Shark]

Dear Brother Miroslav

Could you please give me a answer that will Inidan through its M2k and SU-30 in Pakistan Territory or Indian M2K and Su-30 just Decided to Defence its motherland?

 

[miroslav]

Originally posted by happybirthdaytoyou@Dec 6 2005, 03:42 PM
Dear Brother Miroslav

Could you please give me a answer that will Inidan through its M2k and SU-30 in Pakistan Territory or Indian M2K and Su-30 just Decided to Defence its motherland?

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If it's first strike by IAF then yes.

If we are attacked first then the primary retaliation will come from MiG-21/23/27/29 and Jaguar etc since Mirage and MKI's are deep inside India where PAF couldn't reach but the mission specified(retaliatory) OPS will come from flankers and Vajra's only.

But as the numbers of MKI's will be raised and more squadrons will get it then the situation will change as IAF has planned for 190 MKI's.

Also the new MRCA's which are rumured to be in 200 numbers will also take place in frontline as they will replace MiG-21/23/27 and Jaguar's.

In short whether for attck or retaliation you will see the flankers and Vajra's ove the PAF skies.

Thanks,

Miro

 

[Tiger Shark]

Dear Bro Miroslav

I just want to Say that

In close-in air combat, F-7MP Even outmanoeuvred the Mirage 2000-5 due to its lighter weight and smaller wings.
So you will very well know what happened with Flanker and Vajras

 

[Tiger Shark]

About the BVR... PAF will not wait for close combat... IF they don't posses any BVR yet they will force it to close combat... Besides that the BVR is not holy... ECM... ECCM... Flight envelope... It is not the ultimate weapon. Nobody learned from the lessons in NAM...

The distance between Pakistan and India is not huge... The battles will be fast and furious... Not much of planned BVR battles... Both nations will send every flyable fighter in the air so the advantage of an superior plane will decrease... In 1v1 the superior plane will win the batlles... The more plane fly around this winning percentage will decrease...

And the lighter and simpler the plane the more agile it can be... Mig 21, A4 anf F5 are very good in close combat... The bigger the plane.. The bigger chance for an IFR hit or a gun hit... No need to explain that. But those very agile HMS AAM's are making a dogfight easier for a big heavy fighter...
:reading1:

 

[miroslav]

Originally posted by happybirthdaytoyou@Dec 6 2005, 05:14 PM
About the BVR... PAF will not wait for close combat... IF they don't posses any BVR yet they will force it to close combat... Besides that the BVR is not holy... ECM... ECCM... Flight envelope... It is not the ultimate weapon. Nobody learned from the lessons in NAM...

The distance between Pakistan and India is not huge... The battles will be fast and furious... Not much of planned BVR battles... Both nations will send every flyable fighter in the air so the advantage of an superior plane will decrease... In 1v1 the superior plane will win the batlles... The more plane fly around this winning percentage will decrease...

And the lighter and simpler the plane the more agile it can be... Mig 21, A4 anf F5 are very good in close combat... The bigger the plane.. The bigger chance for an IFR hit or a gun hit... No need to explain that. But those very agile HMS AAM's are making a dogfight easier for a big heavy fighter...
:reading1:

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Check out some facts about IAF Su-30MKI again.

G Limit: +9.

Avionics: The Su-30MKI features an all-weather, digital multi-mode, dual frequency, forward facing NIIP N-011M radar which has a 350 km search range and a 200 km tracking range. The radar can track and engage 20 targets and engage the 8 most threatening simultaneously. These targets can include cruise/ballistic missiles and even motionless helicopters. The radar is combined with a helmet mounted sight system, which allows the pilot to turn his head in a 90º field of view, lock on to a target and launch the TVC-capable R-73RDM2 missile. The radar's forward hemisphere is ±90º in azimuth and ±55º in elevation. The N-011M ensures a 20 metre resolution detection of large sea targets at a distance up to 400 km, and of small size ones - at a distance of 120 km.

In March 1998, the IAF signed a contract with the French electronics manufacturer, Sextant Avionique, to add six liquid colour displays, five MFD 55s and one MFD 66, for both the pilot and his WSO (Weapons System Officer), the Totem inertial guidance system with the GPS technology and the VEH 3000 holographic HUD. Officials from Sexatant have acknowledged that they have already validated the GPS system on Sukhoi aircraft. The six LCDs have a wide-screen and are shielded to make it readable even in bright sunlight. All the flight information is displayed on these four LCD displays which include one for piloting and navigation, a tactical situation indicator, and two for display systems information including operating modes and overall operation status. The aircraft is fitted with a satellite navigation system, which permits it to make flights in all weathers; day and night. The navigation complex comprises an inertial directional system and short- and long-range radio navigation systems. It also has a laser attitude and a heading reference system. An automatic flight control system makes all phases of its flight automatic, including the combat employment of its weapons.



Armament: The aircraft is fitted with a 30mm GSh-301 single-barrel gun which has a firing rate of 1500 - 1800 rds/min or 25 - 30 rds/sec. The gun has a maximum effective range of 1200 - 1800 meters (3937 - 5906 feet) against air targets and 200 - 800 meters (656 - 2625 feet) against ground targets. Has 170 rounds capacity with 150 rounds loaded. Can carry a variety of ordnance on 12 hard points, which can be increased to 14 by using multi-payload racks. For air-superiority missions, the Su-30MKI can carry air-to-air missiles, like the close-combat R-60MK and R-73RDM2 (up to six), the medium-range R-27RE1/TE1 (up to six/two) and the long-range R-77RVV-AE (up to six).

For surface-strike missions, the Su-30MKI can be armed with air-to-surface missiles like the Kh-25MP, Kh-29L/T (up to six), Kh-31A/P (up to six) and Kh-59/59M (up to two), as well as KAB-500KR/KAB-500OD (up to six) and KAB-1500KR/KAB-1500L (up to three) high-precision bombs which can be fitted with either laser or television guidance systems. Over 70 versions of guided and unguided weapon stores may be employed, which allows the aircraft to fly the most diverse tactical missions. The Su-30 can also carry a tactical nuclear payload.

Maximum External Stores Load: 8000 kg; 17,600 lbs. Max Take Off Wt: 34,500 kg. (38500 kg unconfirmed)

Self Defence: An integrated ECM system turns on the warning units that provide signals about incoming enemy missiles, a new generation radio recon set, active jamming facilities and radar & heat decoys. It also includes an electronic intelligence unit, a chaff and flare dispenser and a RWR system. Reportedly, the RWR system is an indigenous product developed by DRDO. The system is a modified version of the new RWR to be fitted on the upgraded MiG-21bis, known as the MiG-21UPG, and goes by the name Tarang.

The distance between India and Pakistan is not that high thats why these bitches are stationed in Central India so they can destroy their enemy even before the enemy smells them.

Also not to forget the Israeli Falcon AWACS which are gonna guide the IAF strike force.

Thanks,

Miro

 

[Jag]

The way I see it, both F-7 & Mig-21 has to go, they have lived there life, IAF is working hard to extend its life for another 10-15 year with upgrade to Bison standard, this will help until they fill up the gap with New Jets that are on wish list for long time and really due now.

But if there is any full scale war with Pakistan in future (though I hope we will never have to fight again), I don’t see Mig-21 Bison leading the race, they maybe used for initial stage but will mainly perform petrol role, if there is any threat they will be able to manage it until big brothers like Mig-29 / SU-30MKI or Vajra come to rescue and take over.

Endurance is definite disadvantage so they would rather stick close by.

Future wars are not going to be WVR and here Mig-21 will be at ease with its R-73’s, but until F-7 is not graded to BVR standard it does not stand a chance.

Also HappyBirthday mentioned somewhere about WVR, do you really think there will be WVR when Mig-29 / SU-30MKI or Vajra, will be in Sky?

 

[Kaiser]

Originally posted by Jag@Dec 20 2005, 10:10 PM
The way I see it, both F-7 & Mig-21 has to go, they have lived there life, IAF is working hard to extend its life for another 10-15 year with upgrade to Bison standard, this will help until they fill up the gap with New Jets that are on wish list for long time and really due now.

But if there is any full scale war with Pakistan in future (though I hope we will never have to fight again), I don’t see Mig-21 Bison leading the race, they maybe used for initial stage but will mainly perform petrol role, if there is any threat they will be able to manage it until big brothers like Mig-29 / SU-30MKI or Vajra come to rescue and take over.

Endurance is definite disadvantage so they would rather stick close by.

Future wars are not going to be WVR and here Mig-21 will be at ease with its R-73’s, but until F-7 is not graded to BVR standard it does not stand a chance.

Also HappyBirthday mentioned somewhere about WVR, do you really think there will be WVR when Mig-29 / SU-30MKI or Vajra, will be in Sky?

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If you dont know this well let me break the news Pakistans F7s are equiped with the Italian Grifo radar which is a highly advanced radar and is BVR capable. The Grifo radar was made to replace the radars on the F-16s so no where does it not have great capabilites. Not only that but Pakistan know has the deadly SD-10.

 

[miroslav]

Originally posted by Kaiser@Dec 21 2005, 03:17 AM
Not only that but Pakistan know has the deadly SD-10.

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Whats soooooooo deadly about SD-10???

Miro

 

[Jag]

Originally posted by Kaiser@Dec 21 2005, 11:17 AM
If you dont know this well let me break the news Pakistans F7s are equiped with the Italian Grifo radar which is a highly advanced radar and is BVR capable. The Grifo radar was made to replace the radars on the F-16s so no where does it not have great capabilites. Not only that but Pakistan know has the deadly SD-10.

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So what you are saying is that F7 is BVR ready?

Having Grifo radar does not mean F7 is BVR ready... I treid to find some info on F-7 with BVR, but was not sucessful, please help me with some link which says that f-7 is BVR ready. That will be helpful.

Cheers

Thanks in advance.

 

[miroslav]

Originally posted by WebMaster@Dec 22 2005, 06:54 AM
It is a beyond visual range missile. 

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Worst joke ever.

Whats the range of SD-10 and other technical qualifications???

A missile couldn't be deadly.

The combo of the launchpad (Jet), avionics and missile makes it deadly.

For Example R-77 on Su-30 MKI is something which you can call deadly with state of art avionics.

Feel free if you want to know any tech. specs.

Miro

 

[EagleEyes]

In addition to jet, avionics, and missile its radar too that makes the difference, and then the range of the missile, capability, etc.

SD-10 is yet suck, only time will tell if it turns out to be a beast like AIM series.

 

[Owais]

Originally posted by WebMaster@Dec 23 2005, 11:52 AM
In addition to jet, avionics, and missile its radar too that makes the difference, and then the range of the missile, capability, etc.

SD-10 is yet suck, only time will tell if it turns out to be a beast like AIM series.

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I searched many sources and found that SD10 is as capable as AIM120C. both have same Specifications.


Data for AIM-120A/B:

Length 3.66 m (12 ft)
Wingspan 53.3 cm (21 in)
AIM-120C: 44.7 cm (17.6 in)
Finspan 63.5 cm (25 in)
AIM-120C: 44.7 cm (17.6 in)
Diameter 17.8 cm (7 in)
Weight 157 kg (345 lb)
Speed Mach 4
Range 50-70 km (30-45 miles)
Propulsion Hercules/Aerojet solid-fueled rocket
Warhead 23 kg (50 lb) WDU-33/B blast-fragmentation
AIM-120C-5: WDU-41/B blast-fragmentation

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-120.html


Specifications of SD10

Length: 3.85 m
Body diameter: 203 mm
Wing span: n/k
Launch weight: 180 kg
Warhead: HE fragmentation
Fuze: Active proximity fuse
Guidance: Inertial mid-course and /or datalink updates, with active radar terminal homing
Propulsion: Solid dual-thrust rocket motor
Range: 70 km (in a head on engagement)

http://www.centurychina.com/cgi-bin/anyboa...230&v=2&gV=1&p=

 

[Tiger Shark]

Information Regarding F-7 BVR Ability

Revealed as a new J-7/Mig-21 variant by CAC, F-7MF was a surprise to many people. The "MF" designation suggests it may derive from F-7MG (double delta wing & one-piece windshield) and J-7FS (belly air-intake). However the pointed nose and the rectangular shaped air-intake indicate the forward fuselage is a competely new design. This gave some people the impression that part of F-7MF's design was borrowed from J-10 -- a small surprise. The new nose has enough space for a modern PD fire- control radar (range > 80km), which will give F-7MG a true BVR capability when coupled with medium range AAMs, as indicated by the Sparrow-like missiles carried under the wings. The belly air-intake not only gives F-7MF a high AOA but also minimizes the redesign of the main fuselage in order to keep the cost down. A pair of small, fixed canard wings are added to the forward fuselage behind the cockpit, like the ones on Mirage 2000. These canard wings play a role similar to LEX to generate additional lift but without a major redesign of the wing, again to keep the cost down. By adopting this canard-double delta wing-belly air intake configuration, F-7MF is believed to retain the same high maneuverability as F-7MG, yet having the extra BVR capability. It has a new "glass cockpit" with HUD, 2 HDDs plus HOTAS control. However the ole mechanical flight control system is thought to be retained rather than adopting a new FBW system. The aircraft also uses the same 8t class WP-13FII turbojet as J-7FS does, but its overall performance is slightly downgraded due to its heavier weight, therefore doesn't quite match the performance of FC-1 which uses a more powerful RD-93 turbofan engine. All of these features make F- 7MF very attractive to potential customers looking for a low-cost, relatively modern, multi-role fighter.
"max speed - Mach 1.8
max operational load - 5t
max range - 2,600km
operational ceiling - 16,000m
TO distance - 650m
max climb rate - 200m/s"

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HapppyBirthDayToYou