Egyptian Armed Forces

[Gomig-21]

The Berghamini FREMMs are so sweet looking. Click on images for larger and higher resolution.
Amazing that the EN is looking for an aircraft carrier, specifically a French one with 24 Rafale M's to complete the package! Sounds very ambitious, not to mention expensive.

Look at this beauty!

 

[Gomig-21]

More from the last Egyptian Navy exercise in the great country of Greece and with our naval partners in the Hellenic Navy. Also combined arms with participation of the EAF and Hellenic Air Force.

Sweet Egyptian Berghamini Frigate.

JTAC (Joint Terminal Attack Controller) With EAF's jets.

 

[The SC]

 

[Hydration]

That's exactly what I'm thinking also. It seems pretty obvious. Also the US Navy operates the Sparrow and you know they have a version of the AIM-7 that is a fire and forget and they're not using a semi active missile from the 60's! So why would the EAF settle for that either?



Ramadan Kareem to you as well and everyone else on this board. W'kol sana wentum tayebeen


Those are most likely Russian test pilots taking out the aircraft for testing all systems. We don't know if there are any EAF pilots there or not. Plus they have to finish the construction of whatever many aircraft are still incomplete on the assembly line. They can't just abandon them and leave them unfinished. I'm sure there is a clause in the contract signed between Egypt and Russia that if the former was to either back out or not be able to pay the final cost, that they would lose whatever money put up front.



Totally agree with you exept the airframe part. The Saudi F-15s as well as the Qatari ones have the new airframes (not the 20 year ones but the preceding gen) and they are very well equipped and advanced. So this is not a chicken by any means and American engines and quality build has always been a step better than Russian. I still would prefer the Su-35 just like you for the reasons you mentioned as well as strengthening the MiG fleet which I think is very important. But the F-15s do have their advantages as well.



Agreed. I would make that choice as well if I was in charge of the EAF.



Yeah but don't under estimate the power and influence of the US. They could also create havoc for Egypt and its economy in many ways with their worldly influence. I think cooler heads must prevail.

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man if they ever cared about CATSAA we wouldve not seen that deal signed. Oh well iam sure they have a trick up their sleeve they always did and cancelling the deal now will leave you open handed without pressure cards congress will then play fox and reject the deal and there we go we lost both the deal is not cancelled until congress says its word until then we can speculate about it, indeed the us can just blind the lightly minded with their media and that can have a significant influence it certanily did before they dont like us we dont like them

 

[Gomig-21]

@Hydration , speaking of Sparrows, EAF F-16D block 40 loaded with 2 Sparrows, 4 AIM-9s and LANTIRN pod. I think the other pod on the left of the aircraft might be a FLIR pod.

That same aircraft in the top pic below (not the lower one above) 2-seat F-16D block 40 serial #9811 is the same one in this pic also, escorting the presidential airplane.

 

[Gomig-21]

Nice pic of another D model. Looks like the gun gets a lot of use. Also interesting is the pair of pods again. The one on starboard is the LANTIRN (ground & terrain mapping etc.) but I'm not sure what the smaller and very visible to us in the pic one on portside is. Always thought those were FLIR (nighttime vision Forward Light Infra Red) pods but not sure. Anyone know what that pod is?

It's not a SNIPER XR pod because of the difference in the shape of the rotating from camera, which is not seen on this one, Also the size of the pod is smaller than the SNIPER XR. It must be a FLIR.

 

[Gomig-21]

man if they ever cared about CATSAA we wouldve not seen that deal signed.

I thought similarly until I was reminded by @The SC (and his tremendous knowledge in all these matters and then some) that the EAF signed the Su-35S deal with Sukhoi in 2015 IIRC, and that CAATSA was passed as a bill through congress (or whatever the process was to initiate it) in 2017. So essentially the EAF has that fact to back them up, in that they had already went through the process of purchasing the aircraft 2 years prior to CAATSA being implemented by the US. So how that falls into the big picture is to be determined. Maybe the EAF could use that as some sort of loophole to avert the restriction all together. If doesn't seem so, though, from all the information out there. The US is pushing Egypt very hard on the matter and it seems to be working since they're supplying F-15s. Shame.

I'll tell you what, imagine if they settle for the aircraft again without AMRAAMs? How pissed off will you be? I know it'll be very difficult to forgive them if that were to be the case!

Oh well iam sure they have a trick up their sleeve they always did and cancelling the deal now will leave you open handed without pressure cards congress will then play fox and reject the deal and there we go we lost both the deal is not cancelled until congress says its word until then we can speculate about it,

That's a really good point by you. I hadn't thought about that possibility that if they already cancelled the Sukhoi deal, it's taking a huge gamble and putting all the cards into the US;' hands, who can then really manipulate things all over again! That's a frightening thought. On the other hand, they just keep Sukhoi corporation and Russia in general in the dark about all that? I'm sure the Russians have their own intel and are already on top of things while just playing along.

My problem with all of that is how will the EAF be viewed. This wouldn't be the first time Egypt has let Russia down in some form or another. Though to add another nail into the history book of that relationship. The Russians have been good to Egypt and this wouldn't be something that would improve on that relationship!

indeed the us can just blind the lightly minded with their media and that can have a significant influence it certanily did before they dont like us we dont like them

LOL! Good stuff.

 

[Ghostkiller]

I'll tell you what, imagine if they settle for the aircraft again without AMRAAMs? How pissed off will you be? I know it'll be very difficult to forgive them if that were to be the case!

If we don't get AMRAAMs in our F-15, it will be a massive scandal for our Air Force's reputation. We have to get those missiles.

Another note, @joker87 had said that 500 germans experts were sent to Egypt. If we modified the Sparrow's missiles to FOX-3 missile, will USA reject the idea of modifications??. Plus @joker87 how did you get the news of about those germans.

 

[The SC]

If we don't get AMRAAMs in our F-15, it will be a massive scandal for our Air Force's reputation. We have to get those missiles.

Another note, @joker87 had said that 500 germans experts were sent to Egypt. If we modified the Sparrow's missiles to FOX-3 missile, will USA reject the idea of modifications??. Plus @joker87 how did you get the news of about those germans.

If Congress deny the AMRAAM for the F-15..that will be a good reason to reject the offer completely and go for the SU-35SE, and eventually the SU-57 (2 to 3 sqd) and a 100 or more SU-75..

The EAF will fare a lil' better linking the F-15 deal to the upgrade of at least 100 F-16 blk 40 to viper with AESA radar and the AMRAAM.. this will be a successful deal.. although still with some shortcomings..like the AIM-260 in the future and the US law to keep Usrael superior to its neighbors.. like if it wasn't already with 50 F-35s going up to 70.. and their own (best US tech) add-ons on their F-16s and F-15s..

 

[Samar111]

Is Egypt not in economic crisis? How can they afford all these weapons being bankrupt?

 

[Ghostkiller]

Is Egypt not in economic crisis? How can they afford all these weapons being bankrupt?

For the Americans equipments we bought them for free because of the military aids (1,3 billions dolllars yearly) so we don't buy anything. For the Russian Chinese French equipments we bought them through long terms loans which mostly we repay them. Our Army have their own "economy". Plus with our economy which is growing that help us to secure to buy more weapons. We have Suez Canal fees, tourism, oil gas etc...

If Congress deny the AMRAAM for the F-15..that will be a good reason to reject the offer completely and go for the SU-35SE, and eventually the SU-57 (2 to 3 sqd) and a 100 or more SU-75..

But still they will apply CAATSA laws on us. They don't give a sh^t about us. They will do anything necessary to stop us from buying SU-35. SU-57 not in serial production so another problem and the SU-75 is in develpment and we don't know if it will work or not.

 

[Gomig-21]

If Congress deny the AMRAAM for the F-15..that will be a good reason to reject the offer completely and go for the SU-35SE, and eventually the SU-57 (2 to 3 sqd) and a 100 or more SU-75..

No question about it. Three squadrons means 36 aircraft plus 4 for training for a total of 40 sounds just about right.

The EAF will fare a lil' better linking the F-15 deal to the upgrade of at least 100 F-16 blk 40 to viper with AESA radar and the AMRAAM.. this will be a successful deal..

It's a really tough choice I tell ya. Both options bring so much needed elements to the EAF that it's impossible to say one is better than the other. The F-15 deal will improve the entire western fleet's capabilities with all the additional items besides the AMRAAM, while the Su-35 deal brings a whole new much needed dimension from weapons to no strings attached. I might be leaning just a tad bit over towards improving current western fleet and adding the F-15, only because there are so many of them and a lot of life left in them. So might as well upgrade and add to them while also getting a heavy fighter.

 

[Gomig-21]

What the Egyptian Navy should expect in the 4 MEKO A-200 that it has ordered from Germany.
Add them to the eventual 6 incredible Berghamini FREMMs and the 1 French Aquitaine FREMM and the frigate fleet will be solid deadly 11 modern frigates.

MEKO A-200 frigate

The MEKO A-200 frigate measures 121m in length and accommodates up to 120 crew members. Its armament includes a 127mm or 76mm main gun, a pair of 30mm-40mm secondary guns, two 12.7-20mm cannons, eight surface-to-surface missiles, 32 surface-to-air missiles, two anti-submarine (ASW) torpedo tubes, and sea mines.

The ship can house two 5t helicopters, two unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), and an all-weather capable boat. It is outfitted with various sonars, trackers, radars and navigation systems, as well as two torpedo decoy launchers and two EM/IR decoy launchers for countermeasures.

The MEKO A-200 frigate is capable of full-four-dimensional warfare (AAW, ASW and ASuW, BCW). It can also conduct general missions such as search and rescue, patrol, special force, and humanitarian purposes.

Powered by a CODAG-WARP (water jet and refined propellers) propulsion system, the frigate can attain a maximum speed of more than 29k and offers a range of 7,200nm at 16k.

 

[Gomig-21]

If we don't get AMRAAMs in our F-15, it will be a massive scandal for our Air Force's reputation. We have to get those missiles.

And JDAMS as well. For some strange reason, the US viewed the Egyptian military as "untrustworthy" with possession of advanced US technology. I think they were influenced by Hillary Clinton who claimed that the intel committee had revealed to her that the EAF had invited a Chinese delegation to view and inspect in detail one of the EAF's F-16s. This was a long time ago when she was a senator and was visiting Mubarak. Her team of intelligence officers claimed they saw the whole thing go down and I think that since then, the US has taken the claim at face value and not trusted the EGY military with sensitive and advanced technology, which included the AIM-120, JDAM kits among several other items. They also used the lack of signing the CISMOA memorandum as an additional reason not to supply Egypt with any advanced and sensitive equipment.

So, the EAF was actually listed at the top for 3rd party infractions with the US, and Congress paid a lot of attention to that and made it a major issue when it came to approving any FMS of weapons to Egypt. But now that the CISMOA is signed, and the Egyptian military has been much more disciplined as far as sharing any sensitive stuff with 3rd parties, the US is starting to relax its restriction a little bit.

Another note, @joker87 had said that 500 germans experts were sent to Egypt. If we modified the Sparrow's missiles to FOX-3 missile, will USA reject the idea of modifications??. Plus @joker87 how did you get the news of about those germans.

I think he said 300 German engineers. That's a bit crazy TBH. I think that sending that many people to work on a missile would be way too unnecessary and 295 of them would be standing around just drinking coffee and smoking shisha. It doesn't make any sense, But then again those Arabic forums tend to drift into the realm of unreal scenarios every now and then.

If Congress deny the AMRAAM for the F-15..that will be a good reason to reject the offer completely and go for the SU-35SE, and eventually the SU-57 (2 to 3 sqd) and a 100 or more SU-75..

I almost wish that Congress does deny the F-15 again for whatever reason so that the EAF can simply take that alternative you mentioned. But it must get guarantees from the Russians that not only the k77 missile AND the r37 be supplied with the Su-35 as well as MiG corporation guarantee the Zhuk-AE AESA radar be ready and fully functioning in the MiG-35 in time for the EAF to purchase 100 of those aircraft to add to the 46 MiG-29M/M2s. No more Zhuk-ME doppler radars. The MiG-35 will be one of the best deals for the price they offer it at, hence why the EAF can purchase it in large numbers like it said it would. Until those 3 conditions are met, then taking the denial of the F-15 and shifting back to the Su-35 would be a done deal.

The EAF will fare a lil' better linking the F-15 deal to the upgrade of at least 100 F-16 blk 40 to viper with AESA radar and the AMRAAM.. this will be a successful deal.. although still with some shortcomings..like the AIM-260 in the future and the US law to keep Usrael superior to its neighbors.. like if it wasn't already with 50 F-35s going up to 70.. and their own (best US tech) add-ons on their F-16s and F-15s..

That AIM-260 is causing all sorts of trouble. If that's the case, then maybe the best way to go about it is to accept the deal for the F-15s, but then make sure that with the next batch of 30 Rafales on order as well as the 23 active ones in the EAF be equipped with the Meteor air to air missile. That means they all have to be F3R or even F4 standard. So the current 23 would need an upgrade while the 30 on order will arrive as F3Rs until the F4 is ready. Eventually if the French accept the sale of the missile to the EAF, it could be mounted on the F-15s with a little persuasion and now they would have a most potent alternative equal to the new AIM-260. That would really be the only other and best way to deal with that scenario.

 

[Gomig-21]

Hey @The SC , do you know if the 2 Bergamini frigates came with the 16 Aster 15 or did the EN get the Aster 30 with the ships? I've been trying to look it up for a couple of hours but haven't been able to find any info on that, but the cells can accept both types, just don't know which ones are equipped with the Italian/Egyptian ships.

Also would be nice to know if they retained the cruise missile capabilities and if the naval SCALP is what's in there for a CM? Or is it just the Sylver A70 only?

EDIT: I just saw this:

Vertical Missile Launcher Sylver
A-35 Mica VL Crotale VT1
A-43 Mica VL Crotale VT1 Aster 15
A-50 Mica VL Crotale VT1 Aster 15 Aster 30
A-70 Aster 15 Aster 30 SCALP Naval

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