Do you support Azadi March?

[Zarvan]

indeed the loan is taken and I had created a dedicated thread to grill the government but also the point to be noted is losses incurred by national assets are reduced this year. Not enough but still a positive step towards the right direction

This debate is out of question as the matter reason for toppling the government are claimed to be the rigging in general elections and not their effort towards improving the


Definitely not the right time when you are in the state of war

sir no economy can improve when you have corrupt and fraud goverment in place a bubble will be created which will blast on people face

 

[Danish saleem]

sir no economy can improve when you have corrupt and fraud goverment in place a bubble will be created which will blast on people face

Brother,

the stance took by IK, remember that when he will be government same arguments will be used against Ik also.
Be prepare to face the what u r feeding today in future.
Imran want elections under same system.

my one Question from IK supporters " Where Elections reforms will be took place in NA or on D chowk"?

IK not have any answer to his performance in KPK,
Danish

 

[batmannow]

Brother,

the stance took by IK, remember that when he will be government same arguments will be used against Ik also.
Be prepare to face the what u r feeding today in future.
Imran want elections under same system.

my one Question from IK supporters " Where Elections reforms will be took place in NA or on D chowk"?

IK not have any answer to his performance in KPK,
Danish

All it only can happen , if IK also gets fake votes, he is not willing for that, so no chance, same slogan could be razed against him?

 

[Danish saleem]

Brother,

If PML N resigns and in new Elections PTI wins, then remember PML N says the votes of PTI are fake, and they will demand the same , and gather few thousand in Islamabad, and ask for resignation.

the childish politics of IK will harmful for Pakistan, for PML N or PPP or MQM , collecting few thousand people is very easy.

Danish

 

[Hyde]

Brother,

If PML N resigns and in new Elections PTI wins, then remember PML N says the votes of PTI are fake, and they will demand the same , and gather few thousand in Islamabad, and ask for resignation.

the childish politics of IK will harmful for Pakistan, for PML N or PPP or MQM , collecting few thousand people is very easy.

Danish

basically both parties alongside PPP has the capability to gather million or more people at a given time. It's a big country with large support base of every major political party. This game can be repeated easily that is why I am asserting for the system to continue as Imran Khan had agreed initially and make reforms within the next 1-2 years, hold local body elections, introduce electronic voting system, train people about how to use them and all this procedure will take a lot of time. But at the same time will ensure more transparency for the oncoming election

 

[PurJosh]

What azadi march? A march which is clearly leading to chaos and anarchy? Remember, ppl used to idolise bhutto....Bhutto died but left zardari for us...ppl deliberately want the history to repeat itself....afsoos!

 

[Chak Bamu]

it took PTI 14 months to exhaust our legal options, and some guy throned himself with help of external support and rigging, and the guy opens a thread says, he is not in favor of supporting dethroning a rigger !!

imagine who you are, if you donot favor exposing a thief !

Jr. Doctor: Sir, I think we have a case of Self-Induced-Rhetorical-Euphoria-itis of the Inqlabi type.

The patient refuses to think or consider logic.

What should we do?

Sr. Doctor: Nothing, let him go warm himself in August heat. If that does not fix him, we can try something.

 

[Chak Bamu]

Great Thread @Aether and great lead and follow up too.

I do believe IK had been angling for threat of mass-scale agitation for quite some time. He has created a pretext in hearts and minds of die-hard PTI supporters, if not in actual fact. Perception rules, not facts. I've seen a number of PTI supporters and they are just as much in thrall of IK as Jiyalas of yore were in thrall of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. They are not open to logic. They want change and they would not listen to anything.

I have read some very cogent and compelling arguments on this thread and I am so glad that people are showing a great deal of maturity in how they assess political situation and ramification of IK's agitation-based approach.

I do suspect IK can not be all that dumb, that he does not understand the logical result and the implications thereof.

If he sticks with this approach, then it means that he is convinced that the Federal government would not let him work in KPK with peace. It seems like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

[mr42O]

No I don't support it mostly because it will bring no change for average and poor Pakistanis. This is just one deranged cleric and a playboy turned politicians trying to topple a corrupt and soulless clown.

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Playboy turn politicians ???? As far as he is honest and can at least do better than old politicians who have proven again they only way they know is to run country as its there property.

 

[Chak Bamu]

@Aether , the option #3 in the poll is making things look lop-sided as far as %ages are concerned.

 

[Hyde]

@Aether , the option #3 in the poll is making things look lop-sided as far as %ages are concerned.

It was necessary otherwise Indians would be voting in favour/against the poll to know the results and it would have imbalanced the true ratio of Pakistani voters.

 

[TheFlyingPretzel]

@Chak Bamu I seem to be unable to comment on the thread: https://defence.pk/threads/pti-dharna-politics-and-possible-scenarios.327360/

In my humble opinion, I don't see IK striking a deal with the federal government considering the chagrin that would ensue, therefore, 1A appears to be the most plausible eventuality, primarily because a 100,000+ presence in Islamabad will not be tolerated for long - The foregoing does rely heavily on the assumption, of course, that Gen. Raheel is a bigger person than what Gen. Musharraf was.

Again, I do hope I'm wrong and 3B, which is my second best guess, takes shape.

 

[Chak Bamu]

@Chak Bamu I seem to be unable to comment on the thread: https://defence.pk/threads/pti-dharna-politics-and-possible-scenarios.327360/

In my humble opinion, I don't see IK striking a deal with the federal government considering the chagrin that would ensue, therefore, 1A appears to be the most plausible eventuality, primarily because a 100,000+ presence in Islamabad will not be tolerated for long - The foregoing does rely heavily on the assumption, of course, that Gen. Raheel is a bigger person than what Gen. Musharraf was.

Again, I do hope I'm wrong and 3B, which is my second best guess, takes shape.

I'm sorry about your not being able to post there. I'll see if I can do something about it.
I will post your comment there and post my thoughts in a way that you do not have to answer.

 

[Jazzbot]

Gain political advantage by protesting and keep eating mentioning the same thing in the media. Toppling the government when we are fighting a war is not the right step forward

This is the most critical issue before the next elections are held. Without military's interference fresh elections can't be held as the assemblies can't be dissolved. If Military takes an action, Imran will be blamed and will be considered the puppet of military. If military does not take action, it may lead to anarchy if Imran didn't revert to his aggressive stance.

ECP needs to be overhauled and that is only possible if the questions and solutions are raised in the parliament. The street politics will only worsen the matter

Only since a week or so PTI has started to talk about toppling the govt, during most of the past 14 months, they were always saying that they won't opt to any non-democratic adventure.

A lot of things can be done to prevent army from interfering and still holding mid tern elections. Any amendment can be made in constitution to make adjustment, we can have a better care taker set up or a consensus govt with limited powers to implement reforms and hold elections in 3 - 4 months. Where there is a will, there is a way.

I personally believe that the timing of this march is not right, but thats what it is. This mess was building up since some time now, and this was bound to explode at any point of time, if its aligned with Fata operation, then so be it. It should be govt acting at back foot and should have accepted PTI's demands instead of resorting to cheap tactics. Time to face the sh!t they have created themselves.

It is not only about the operation. If PTI resigns from the national assembly and not from the K-P government, its resignation may not be as significant and if it does resign from both places then operation zarb e azb will be heavily effected. It's just not the right time for marches and protests

I'm against this resignation move but if PTI has decided to go all out against this system, then so be it.

We were about to get defaulted when the government took over. Now the situation is much better, even the credit rating is improved indicating better financial position of the country. Anarchy may not only put us near the brink of bankruptcy but raise the foreign debts so much that it may not be tolerable for the best management ever (be it from PTI or wherever)

We've been through worst things Sir. IK has already said several times in past that govt's key projects will be continued if they are beneficiary to the national interests.

 

[Jzaib]

toitally support it .. gud thngs will come out of it ... election reforms .. political hijacking of pakistan by two familes ...