Deal to buy 36 Rafale jets runs into trouble; India & France struggle to agree on sales terms: Sourc

[GURU DUTT]

Guru bhai its not 90's and keeping the stake of the GE in indian market in consideration its not easy even for the US to deny us from the engines. For fighter Jet engines only since each aircraft needs 3.5 engine in its life time there is a market for 1000 jet engine for 200 LCA and 200 AMCA in next 3 decades excluding the marine engines for Indian Navy.
We always have EJ200 option also from EuroJet Turbo GmbH which is working on TVC also.

that what i was trying to put .... we have now money and option and capabilty to absorb the best US war tech we can buy for USA and USA knows this fact and wants to be part of every such deal so i said thet its USA who needs us more than vice versa as USA knows we always have the second/third/fourth option with us ..... so why will USA impose sanctions on such a cash genrating venture

 

[bdslph]

wow 36 planes only from the original 126
still problem in getting to the point

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

Hmmmmm yawnss

 

[INDIAISM]

Here is link which explains why we need raffale and why it cannot be replaced by MKI

Pakistan's New F-16s Can Beat India's Su-30s; Rafales Are The Counter | Page 9.

Ouch that hurts I never knew that any airforce with 267 Su 30Mki+ 51 Mirage 2000-5 Mk2+ 69 Mig 29 UPG will fear from 18 F 16 Blk 52 of their adversary buddy even an idiot can tell that this is nothing more then another pressure tactic...

 

[#hydra#]

Ouch that hurts I never knew that any airforce with 267 Su 30Mki+ 51 Mirage 2000-5 Mk2+ 69 Mig 29 UPG will fear from 18 F 16 Blk 52 of their adversary buddy even an idiot can tell that this is nothing more then another pressure tactic...

Exactly

 

[TopCat]

Buy JF-17 instead.

 

[Indian Patriot]

arey bhai deal cancel kar do, and look for other alternatives as rafale too if deal signed today will not arrive in another 2 years or even more

Fine, cancel the deal. Then what?

You will wait till HAL or DRDO comes up with their own aircraft design, which will take another 40 years. Or will you again knock the door of a foreign seller who by now will know very well that India has no option but to come to them. So the same foreign seller will make his profit by quoting a sky high price.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Buy JF-17 instead.

so you guys also looking for fighters whats stopping BAF in buying JF-17s

 

[Immanuel]

Here is link which explains why we need raffale and why it cannot be replaced by MKI

Pakistan's New F-16s Can Beat India's Su-30s; Rafales Are The Counter | Page 9


Sorry Sir we need terain hugging, deep penetration, Omnirole fighter plane with no string attached and one more thing which can be used for the nuclear delivery platform in which Rafale is selected.

Sorry Hard Luck

Better next time

Please leave your contact number so that we can call you whenever there is any need.

Bye

Its better to stop posting BS farticles like this. MKI on any given day can hold it own against all the aircraft currently deployed by our enemies.

Terrain hugging can be done by Jags which are now being upgraded even more with new ground attack & air defence weapons. Rafale is not a nuke delivery platform for India. MKI has already been ordered for the SFC, armed with N-Nirbhay and N-Brahmos, MKI will be the key nuke delivery platform.

 

[knight11]

Its better to stop posting BS farticles like this. MKI on any given day can hold it own against all the aircraft currently deployed by our enemies.

Terrain hugging can be done by Jags which are now being upgraded even more with new ground attack & air defence weapons. Rafale is not a nuke delivery platform for India. MKI has already been ordered for the SFC, armed with N-Nirbhay and N-Brahmos, MKI will be the key nuke delivery platform.

Sir Mirrage 2000 is the nuke delivery platform now and in future Rafale will be the key delivery platform which I think. MkI is primrary Air Superiority fighter aircraft with secondary ground attack capability and lack deep penetration low altitute terain hugging, high G, SAR Radar, capability to operate alone under high ESW/ESM environment and high SAM threat.

 

[Immanuel]

Sir Mirrage 2000 is the nuke delivery platform now and in future Rafale will be the key delivery platform which I think. MkI is primrary Air Superiority fighter aircraft with secondary ground attack capability and lack deep penetration low altitute terain hugging, high G, SAR Radar, capability to operate alone under high ESW/ESM environment and high SAM threat.

Currently Air delivered nukes are at the moment deployed on Jags. Mirages are undergoing upgrades. Rafale is a good aircraft but the deal will mostly fail because the aircraft are not affordable even in small numbers. MKI is multirole aircraft and with Super MKI the IAF will be able to have long range nuke delivery options with Nirbhay/Brahmos and Brahmos mini. 40 Super MKI are already ordered for the Strategic Forces Command. Jags deploying gravity nuke bombs is actually pretty risky because of potential air defenses. Nuke armed Brahmos however has no defense against it. One the SFC Super MKIs arrive nuke delivery role will be solely assigned to the Super MKI under the NCA. MKI are much more capable of deep penetration air strikes, they have a longer unrefueled range. Rafale technically doesn't even have a dedicated SEAD/DEAD weapon. While MKI can counter high sam threat areas with weapons like the KH-31P

 

[Indian Patriot]

in future Rafale will be the key delivery platform

Only if Rafale is inducted, else wai another 40-50 years till HAL comes up with a prototype.

 

[C130]

Here is link which explains why we need raffale and why it cannot be replaced by MKI

Pakistan's New F-16s Can Beat India's Su-30s; Rafales Are The Counter | Page 9


Sorry Sir we need terain hugging, deep penetration, Omnirole fighter plane with no string attached and one more thing which can be used for the nuclear delivery platform in which Rafale is selected.

Sorry Hard Luck

Better next time

Please leave your contact number so that we can call you whenever there is any need.

Bye


Guru bhai its not 90's and keeping the stake of the GE in indian market in consideration its not easy even for the US to deny us from the engines. For fighter Jet engines only since each aircraft needs 3.5 engine in its life time there is a market for 1000 jet engine for 200 LCA and 200 AMCA in next 3 decades excluding the marine engines for Indian Navy.
We always have EJ200 option also from EuroJet Turbo GmbH which is working on TVC also.

well you are getting fleeced for the Rafale, and don't get me wrong Rafale is in my top 3 fighter jets if not number 1.

F-18 Super Hornets can do deep penetration strikes, not as well as the Rafale, but it can be done and it is omnirole, and what strings that would be attached we really don't know . only times I know when the US and India has came to head butts was over nuclear testing and Muslim riot killings.

if you want to spend $200 million per on the Rafales and on weapons that will cost twice or even three times than what you would with U.S weapons then go ahead

either way you are looking at a few more years of dealing and even more time before you start getting fighters

 

[MastanKhan]

so you guys also looking for fighters whats stopping BAF in buying JF-17s

Ego.

 

[Spectre]

well you are getting fleeced for the Rafale, and don't get me wrong Rafale is in my top 3 fighter jets if not number 1.

F-18 Super Hornets can do deep penetration strikes, not as well as the Rafale, but it can be done and it is omnirole, and what strings that would be attached we really don't know . only times I know when the US and India has came to head butts was over nuclear testing and Muslim riot killings.

if you want to spend $200 million per on the Rafales and on weapons that will cost twice or even three times than what you would with U.S weapons then go ahead

either way you are looking at a few more years of dealing and even more time before you start getting fighters

How does a 200 Million USD price tag of Rafale compare to that of F-35?

Don't get me wrong Super Hornets are wonderful and all but it is about getting access to the latest tech also. Otherwise Russian fighters offer quite a lot of bang for the buck