Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[halloweene]

What control does the French Govt. have over Dassault?

As per sources below is the share holding pattern

• Dassault Group (50.55%)
• Airbus Group (46.32%)
• Private investors (3.13%)

If Airbus has no voting rights (as mentioned by @sancho) in other thread, It can be bought by any other private investors from Mr. Claude Dassault.

French state has a "goldenshare". Dassault cannot sell its actions shares under 50%+1 without state allowance.

 

[sancho]

@halloweene

Any "unofficial" news about the negotiations? Any hope that the deal makes a positive turn?

 

[halloweene]

Absolute secrecy...

 

[sancho]

Absolute secrecy...

Well, that's at least not a bad sign.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Well, that's at least not a bad sign.

Did that Airbus team come or not

 

[sancho]

Did that Airbus team come or not

That was about sending a team to Aero India and not wrt MMRCA or the Eurofighter.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@sancho

Airbus team coming, Rafale deal by March end, say sources | Business Line

This news says that the Airbus team would be visiting for MMRCA negotiations

 

[sancho]

@sancho

Airbus team coming, Rafale deal by March end, say sources | Business Line

This news says that the Airbus team would be visiting for MMRCA negotiations

Indian media at it's best, they just mixed up reports:

French team to visit New Delhi to rescue S$26.6b Rafale jet deal | TODAYonline

Aero India 2015: Airbus Plans Major Presence, Job Fair -The New Indian Express

Airbus has no relation to Rafale!

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@sancho

IF Airbus has a stake in Dassault / Rafale then it would be interested in knowing
details of any agreement between India and Dassault

Simply because these liability clauses ; workshare agreements
all have financial implications

Maybe it is Airbus which is preventing Dassault from accepting such terms and conditions
as laid down in RFP

 

[sancho]

@sancho

IF Airbus has a stake in Dassault / Rafale then it would be interested in knowing
details of any agreement between India and Dassault

As explained in earlier posts, the Dassault shares Airbus holds have no voting rights, so Airbus has no influence in Dassault. Also Airbus has no share in the development of Rafale, therefor is not part of the Rafale Team (Dassault, Thales, Snecma).

 

[Etilla]

Indian media at it's best, they just mixed up reports:

French team to visit New Delhi to rescue S$26.6b Rafale jet deal | TODAYonline

Aero India 2015: Airbus Plans Major Presence, Job Fair -The New Indian Express

Airbus has no relation to Rafale!

How is MMRCA deal $26.6 billion?

Parrikar in recent interview to Karan Thapar wrt to terror boat incident said price of Rafale deal is not even close to 100000 crore.

Now 1 lakh crore is $15.8 billion

So approx price if taken at 80000 crore means $12.7 billion
More realisitic i would say

 

[Storm Force]

If this deal goes through

MASSIVE IF

The cost will be 126 fighters (latest version with aesa radar F3R)) x $120m = $15 Billon approx.

Another $3 billion for TOT and setting up production in india

And another $4.5 for weapons mica scalp WVR missles bombs etc.

THE MAGIC NUMBER IS $22.5 billion

YOU CAN QUOTE ME ON THIS IN MARCH WHEN DEAL IS SIGNED

 

[Etilla]

Cost is not a factor

meeting the messed up rfp terms is delay factor

 

[SpArK]

 

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