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[IrbiS]

France, Egypt to conclude Rafale fighter jet in Cairo on Monday - Le Monde

PARIS, Feb 12 (R-euters) - France and Egypt will finalise a defence deal that includes 24 Dassault-built Rafale fighter jets worth more than 5 billion euros ($5.7 billion), Le Monde reported on Thursday.
The newspaper, which did not identify its source, said the two sides had initialled the deal on Thursday and that the final page outlining the modalities would be signed on Monday by Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al-Sissi and French officials.
French and Egyptian government officials and Dassault executives could not immediately be reached for comment. ($1 = 0.8799 euros) (Reporting By John Irish; Editing by Andrew Callus)

France, Egypt to conclude Rafale fighter jet in Cairo on Monday - Le Monde | Daily Mail Online

The Rafale sale agreement with Egypt was initialled

The sale agreement with Egypt of 24 Rafale aircraft, a frigate multimission FREEM and short and medium-range MBDA missiles, amounting to more than 5 billion euros, has been signed by all parties Thursday February 12th.

The last page of the document, which details the terms of the agreement has yet to be a final dual official signature, between Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sissi, and a representative of the French State which could be the President of the Republic, François Hollande, himself, or the Minister of Defence, Jean-Yves Le Drian.
The ceremonial signing is scheduled Monday, February 16 in Cairo.[...]

Le Rafale remporte « son premier contrat à l'export », se félicite François Hollande

France says Rafale deal with Egypt could be signed in next few days

Feb 12 (R-euters) - French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said a deal with Egypt for the sale of 24 Dassault Aviation-built Rafale fighter jets could be signed in the next few days. "Maybe a little earlier," Fabius told i-Tele television when asked to confirm the agreement would be signed by next Feb. 16 or Feb. 17. "Things are looking very good on that front."
The two countries agreed a deal worth more than 5 billion euros ($5.7 billion) for the fighter jets, a naval frigate and missiles, a French source close to the matter told ******* on Thursday.

France says Rafale deal for fighter jets with Egypt could be signed in next few days - Breaking News - Jerusalem Post

Le Drian will go to Egypt Monday to sign the Rafale contracts

The final agreement to sell 24 Rafale fighter jets to Egypt will be signed on Monday in Cairo, said the entourage of the Minister of Defense.
It's official: France will sell its first Rafale fighters. Jean-Yves Le Drian will go Monday to Cairo to sign the agreement to sell 24 Rafale to Egypt [not only..], Europe 1 has learned from a source close to the defense minister. [...]

Le Drian se rend lundi en Egypte pour signer les contrats Rafale

France's Hollande says Egypt to order 24 Rafale jets and frigate

BRUSSELS Feb 12 (*******) - President Francois Hollande said on Thursday Egypt would order 24 Rafale fighter jets, a warship and related military equipment from France, after years of failed attempts to export the plane.
"The Egyptian authorities have just let me know their intention of acquiring 24 Rafale planes, a multi-mission frigate as well as related equipment," Hollande said in a statement, adding that the accord would be signed by Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian in Cairo on Monday.

Élysée (@Elysee) | Twitter

 

[Prajapati]

wow. That is 230 Million $ per aircraft

 

[Iggy]

Can we sur Dassault for violating the RFP clause? I mean if they are not interested in working according to RFP why they participated ib the first place?

 

[Prajapati]

Can we sur Dassault for violating the RFP clause? I mean if they are not interested in working according to RFP why they participated ib the first place?

I am sure Dassault is exploiting a legal loophole. Still its worth a shot, but it will sour relationships.

 

[topgun047]

The Egypt deal should allow India to gracefully leave this quagmire.

 

[Major Shaitan Singh]

France confirms sale of Rafale fighter jets to Egypt

Dassault Aviation confirmed today the Arab Republic of Egypt’s decision to equip its air force with the Rafalefighter jet. “This decision is a continuation of our cooperation that dates back to the 1970s, and has seen the Mirage 5, the Alpha Jet and the Mirage 2000 fly in the colors of Egypt.” Dassault commented. The Egyptian decision marks the second international selection of the French fighter, following the Indian selection of Rafale in 2012.

The Egyptian order will cover 24 aircraft, part of which will be delivered this year. The order worth about 3.6-4 billion Euros is expected to be signed on February 16, the Elysee Palace said in a statement.


The Rafale is the first completely omnirole fighter capable of accomplishing all the missions assigned to combat aircraft (air-air, air-ground, air-sea). It first came into active service with the French Navy and the French Air Force in 2004-2006, gradually replacing seven types of aircraft belonging to the preceding generations. It was deployed in Afghanistan (2007-2012), Libya (2011), in the Sahel-Saharan strip(since 2013) and in Iraq (since September 2014). It was chosen for the Indian Army’s request for proposal for 126 aircraft. Negotiations surrounding the Rafale are currently underway with several governments.

Rafale fighter jets have been operating in combat missions continuously since their first missions in Afghanistan in 2009. In recent years French Rafales took part in combat sorties in Libya, Chad, Mali, Syria and Iraq. Photo: Dassault Aviation

http://defense-update.com/20150213_france-confirms-sale-of-rafale-to-

 

[halloweene]

wow. That is 230 Million $ per aircraft

Err a destroyer sized modern frigate isn't cheap also. And the deal include armaments. Finally we do not know the real amount of the deal.

 

[rockstarIN]

Good time for us to exit gracefully from the deal...

Should concentrate on single seated MKI's ed Su-35 in half of this amount.

 

[CONNAN]

Good time for us to exit gracefully from the deal...

Should concentrate on single seated MKI's ed Su-35 in half of this amount.

Sukhoi did have an idea but unfortunately didn't go with it

 

[rockstarIN]

Sukhoi did have an idea but unfortunately didn't go with it

Even we can take PAK FA air frame as a base with external weapon stations(MKI'sed), a good jet with lesser RCS. This in turn can help PAK FA programme with high rate of production!

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@halloweene @Taygibay

In The France Egypt deal ; what has been the agreed price of each Rafale

 

[sancho]

Can we sur Dassault for violating the RFP clause? I mean if they are not interested in working according to RFP why they participated ib the first place?

Even if that's true, there is nothing we could do about it, other than rejecting Dassaults bid. It's very disappointing though.

 

[nik22]

For Dassault, It has been good publicity. Since there was a technical evaluation process and Rafale was declared winner.
Now after deal with Egypt, dassaut would be like "see our plane is best, you know that. Get the deal finalized on our terms otherwise we got other clients".

(Egypt deal is nowhere close to potential Indian order but it gives Dassault a big shot in the arm.)

 

[possumlot]

For Dassault, It has been good publicity. Since there was a technical evaluation process and Rafale was declared winner.
Now after deal with Egypt, dassaut would be like "see our plane is best, you know that. Get the deal finalized on our terms otherwise we got other clients".

(Egypt deal is nowhere close to potential Indian order but still it gives Dassault a shot in the arm.)

Dassault has paid from its pocket to participate in the MMRCA so in reality they have paid for their publicity and it IS a pretty great aircraft.

Err a destroyer sized modern frigate isn't cheap also. And the deal include armaments. Finally we do not know the real amount of the deal.

A fully loaded 6,200 Tons Shivalik class cost India 330 Million $. I am going to say 230 million $ for 1 aircraft is VERY expensive.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Interview of CEO Eric Trappier (RTL radio)

"With India it's going to take a little more time than with Egypt. India is a country that takes its time but we already had a victory with the result of a competition in which 6 aircraft were engaged [...] For 3 years, we are negotiating the terms of the contract. [...] Which takes more time is the establishment of a deep industrial partnership with Indian industrialists. This is in the making. But we must agree in every detail to be sure that, at the end, the IAF will receive its 126 aircraft, on time and with the required quality" [...]

More (in french):
http://www.rtl.fr/actu/economie/rafa...ion-7776579559

courtesy Olybrius

A fully loaded 6,200 Tons Shivalik class cost India 330 Million $. I am going to say 230 million $ for 1 aircraft is VERY expensive.

That wiki entry is wrong, the P-17s cost about $800 million a piece. And $230 million is NOT the price offered to India for the Rafale.

For Dassault, It has been good publicity. Since there was a technical evaluation process and Rafale was declared winner.
Now after deal with Egypt, dassaut would be like "see our plane is best, you know that. Get the deal finalized on our terms otherwise we got other clients".

(Egypt deal is nowhere close to potential Indian order but it gives Dassault a big shot in the arm.)

I don't think being unable to clinch the single largest fighter order in modern history would be good publicity for Dassualt in any way shape or form, I'd expect some serious heads to roll in Dassualt if they should fail to get the MMRCA clinched.