Height of stupidity... and now its flowing of of the roof.
Did you read the new source I posted there boy ?.... let me post it again.
http://asw.newpacificinstitute.org/?p=10596
Even RT and other Asian news channels confirm this... and yet you have the mouth to say that they all are lying.
US and other Countries have brain power and resources to make what they want... they don't create hacking groups and spies to steal the data and make each and every military equipment out of it.
Did you bother to look it up ? What source they are quoting ? The same ! How credible does this news become ? ZERO !
Now , are you expanding your " hacking information " theory to include all Chinese built hardware ?
Can you prove what else the blue prints were stolen for ? And even if were , what difference are they going to make ? Countries have used spies since the WWII to steal other's tech , think the Yanks and the Russians are clean ?
The others are using it since 50 years since they have it for 50 years genius.. they are not making that 50 year old thing today in 2012 anymore.
Did i deny that the others didn't have it for 50 years ? If they still have it , then it might be useful for them right ? Same is true for Beijing or do you have selective biased views ?
Better to get it done , instead of whining about other's achievements , huh ?
Use some head... and lookup for the meaning of the word design from the dictionary... got one don't you ?
Possibly , I understand it more better than you not to consider only " structural design " as the conclusive prove of two things being exactly the same ...
Genius " design " means to make the plan which can be anything of an aircraft in this case ! That too I have to explain ...
Again wrong...
Strategic bombers are the 1st ones to target the enemy airspace either outside its airspace or withing... that's why they are strategic... there bombers don't have much of work left If your Air-superiority fighters can carry 8000kg of load... unless you want to use WW2 tactics and carpet bomb the entire country. And yes any flying object is vulnerable to SAMs.... thats why SAMs are inducted by ground forces.
Strategic bombers are the first to target what ? The fighter aircraft ? Do you have any idea what you are talking about ?
What was true for WWII scenario , remains true today too because the bomber was to be detected and brought down by fighters ... Enlighten me , what would be the use of fighters if you could go to the enemy territory and bomb the hell out of it ?
Just bring down all forward air bases and fighters on ground ... No opposition ! But this isn't the case of course , air superiority/fihter/multi role aircraft have to accompany bombers so they can conduct their mission whilst the escort takes care of enemy opposition in the air ... Beyond your level , is it ? ... I never said that it isn't , just that your absurd logic that development of SAM's has rendered bombers useless , so even the other aircraft would be useless since they are vulnerable too ?
Rusting for 20 years or rusting for 8 years is still equivalent to Rusting.
Certainly isn't the war machine as admitted by Chinese more of a training material.
You think some AC's left for 8 year is rusting old crap ? Are you telling me that PLAAN cant refit/remove-corrosion/modernize it ? As if it wasn't enough that you have some 50 years old INS Viraat ... Even your new Gorshkov was rusting for the same 8 years !
... Dont get me the ridiculous argument that it was complete and operational since even ex-Varyag was structurally complete at the time of sale ... Need a dose of reality , I will let Wiki help you ...
The ship was laid down in 1978 at Nikolayev South (Shipyard No.444) in Ukraine, launched in 1982, and commissioned in 1987. The delay in commissioning was largely caused by software bugs in the new command and control system. The ship was renamed Admiral Gorshkov after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, as the city of Baku was now in independent Azerbaijan. Sergey Gorshkov was responsible for the expansion of the Soviet Navy during the Cold War. In 1994, following a boiler room explosion, the ship was docked for a year of repairs. Although she returned to service in 1995, she was finally withdrawn in 1996 and offered for sale. On January 20, 2004, Russia agreed to sell the Admiral Gorshkov to India, though payment details are still being worked out. On December 17, 2009, it was reported that India and Russia ended the stalemate over Gorshkov price deal by agreeing on a price of USD 2.3-billion[4][5][6]
There are saying... "Never argue with an idiot........" and you are proving this right here.
Compare the Electronics such as BARS, SAP-518, SAP-14 etc... with what Russia offered to China.
Same with the Engines. If you cannot I can't help you there...
Possibly , if you are feeling the heat , you can move on to BR where the baseless claims ridiculing other countries are appreciated and celebrated and nobody tries to refute them
If you cannot make your point in a debate , sorry nobody can help you ... As far as I know , Russia has sold the same engines and electronics to China too , they are clever businessmen , they even indirectly sold us RD-93 despite massive Indian protest ... Is it watered-down ? No ! ... If you couldn't stop that sale of negligible worth ( but most important for Pakistan ) than what China had previously bought , then how do you assume that Moscow wouldn't have supplied the same to Beijing previously too as they do to you ? Are you special ?
Tejas is a secondary requirement to the IAF they are not being as funded as other Aircraft manufacturing programs have been(Su30, Rafale, Upgrades of Mig29/M2K). There's only one IOC... which has already taken place and there would be FOC in 1 year. The rest of the world... Chinese are forced to accept what they make... since the Russian would charge more and won't supply the best(thanks to RE done on most of its planes).
Crap ! Tejas is a necessity/primary requirement for your AF since they need to get rid of the " flying coffins " Mig-21 which kill your pilots every week
Aren't you already below the sanctioned strength of squadrons or you know better than your AF ? Just because HAL couldn't deliver it on time , they are forced to depend on upgrading the Mig29's and somehow continue to use done-with and worn-out airframed Mig-21 ! Rafale will take a very long time to delivered by France ! IAF needed Tejas to fill the gap ... Not happening , is it ?
So after being refuted , you are blatantly lying ? ... The news of IOC-2 was all over !
LCA Tejas Update: HAL in aggressive mode for IOC-2 | Defence
Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL) is on a tight schedule and is racing ahead to reach the deadlines, eight LCA Tejas platforms are currently in the process of achieving the requirements of IOC-2. The Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) achieved Initial Operational Clearance (IOC-1) in January this year, the IOC-1 was a watered down version of a full IOC because the LCA did not meet the complete requirements.
Tarmak007 -- A bold blog on Indian defence: Tejas on campaign mode to complete IOC-2 missions
TheIndian Air Force (IAF) too is warming up to raise the Tejas Squadron (Flying Daggers). Express had earlier reported that the IAF wanted HAL-Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) combine to complete the closure of development phase at the end of IOC-2.
UPA's major goof up: Tejas inducted - Economic Times
In a major goof-up , the 'Report to the People' released by PM Manmohan Singh on Tuesday evening to mark UPA II's third anniversary in office lists the "induction of Light Combat Aircraft Tejas into IAF'' as a "major milestone'' in the defence arena. Competitive politics apart, the simple fact is that Tejas is still at least two years away from becoming fully operational despite being almost three decades in the making after first being sanctioned in 1983 at a cost of Rs 560 crore. But it became clear later that Tejas had only achieved partial IOC. It would have to be followed by IOC-II to certify the fighter was fully airworthy. Moreover, it would require the final operational clearance (FOC), with integration of all weapons and other systems, before it could be deemed combat-worthy . HAL and DRDO have set a December 2012 deadline for the FOC. But, sources say, Tejas will be ready for induction only towards mid-2013 at the earliest.
Right from Mig-17 upto J-11... use your pea sized brain and do justice to it.... earlier soviets helped them later they copied soviet without paying them.
Prove it ... Earlier aircraft were reverse engineered/copied/license made but the same isn't true for newer ones ! How can i consider the J-8 , JH-7 , J 10 , JF 17 and J 20 "copied" ?
Every aircraft is somehow similar to another , doesn't mean they are the same !
There is an explanation but it would overflow... their newer destroyers are based on what Russian supplied to them in Taiwan strait crisis... they use Russian anti-air systems on their ships... soviet based turbines to Run their ships.. cannons are Russian based.. and a lot more.....
No , go ahead if you can explain it because you cant even do that ... They have been developing systems on their own based on past RE experience ... That is your fault if you consider everything as " copied " ... And what comes after " Reverse Engineering " ? Innovation and Creation ... Complete cycle , simple !
unless you are asking to go by the your masters propaganda. from your post you are implying that china has already surpassed developed countries of 2006? or still trying to copy the 50 year old things...
