Did you bother to look for it on internet ?.... certainly no.
Does that still makes any sense... ?
Other countries used spies to know about the secret weapons of other countries... they didn't copied the machine's design features into their own machine and came out with a poor outcome... the used their own brainpower and resources to make counter.. which were unique in
Possibly , not only did i search it but also bothered to read it too instead of using google to find fancy titled news ?
Lockheed Martin's chief financial officer denied that there was any breach of classified information, which was first reported by the Wall Street Journal on Tuesday."The U.S. government doesn't talk a whole lot about this, and neither do we. But in response to the [Wall Street Journal] report, we think it's incorrect," said Bruce Tanner of Lockheed Martin. "There's never been any effective attack. We have measures in place, and there's never been a successful attack."In a statement released later, the company reiterated its position that no classified information had been accessed.
BAE said: “We don’t comment on allegations of cyber attacks against the company. BAE Systems’ own cyber security capability can detect, prevent and rectify such attacks.”
I advised you earlier to actually read stuff before you ask others to ridicule you ... But obviously , it was of no use ... Actually , it would be better to concentrate on one argument instead of rapidly changing your stance ...
Really ? You seriously think countries are that innocent only to try and know about the existence of some secret weapon and not actually learn the details of its design and build a RE'ed one ?
Do you know the story of V-2 and Tu4 for starter - afterwards I will give you other examples in another posts so not to ruin the fun ? What is the poor outcome ? Beijing getting self reliant and not being the largest importer of weapons ? Kid , let me teach you a little about the origin of Major Powers's tech ... Actually , in the start every country tried to copy other's tech and later built something better themselves ... But I obviously , do not expect you to understand ...
During the aftermath of World War II the American, Soviet and British governments all gained access to the V-2's technical designs and the actual German scientists responsible for creating the rockets, via Operation Paperclip, Operation Osoaviakhim and Operation Backfire.[7]
In October 1945, British Operation Backfire assembled a small number of V-2 missiles and launched three of them from a site in northern Germany. The engineers involved had already agreed to move to the US when the test firings were complete. The Backfire report remains the most extensive technical documentation of the rocket, including all support procedures, tailored vehicles and fuel composition.
Operation Paperclip recruited German engineers and Special Mission V-2 transported the captured V-2 parts to the United States. At the close of the Second World War, over 300 rail cars filled with V-2 engines, fuselages, propellant tanks, gyroscopes and associated equipment were brought to the railyards in Las Cruces, New Mexico, so they could be placed on trucks and driven to the White Sands Proving Grounds, also in New Mexico.
The Tupolev Tu-4 (NATO reporting name: Bull) was a piston-engined Soviet strategic bomber that served the Soviet Air Force from the late 1940s to mid 1960s. It was a reverse-engineered copy of the U.S.-made Boeing B-29 Superfortress. However, on three occasions during 1944, individual B-29s made emergency landings in Soviet territory after bombing raids on Manchukuo and Japan. In accordance with the Soviet–Japanese Neutrality Pact, the Soviets were neutral in the Pacific War and the bombers were therefore interned and kept by the Soviets, despite American demands for their return.[2]
Enlightened , huh ?
The stopped the production of such bombers long time ago... most of those bombers are retired... again your ill-education fails you here... a few are kept just in case they need to carpet bomb Afghanistan or Iraq. Tu-16 is no more in service any more... retired scrapped 20 years ago.... and China is trying to make it now... that some achievement to be envied of...ROFL.
What does it change if they stopped the production long time ago ? They are still useful if they are being kept in service , simply disproving your " bomber's being useless just being SAM have evolved which can be extended to other class of aircraft too " theory ... Ok , Tu-16 isn't in service no more but B 52 is , which is just as old as it ... Just because some aircraft is retired , doesn't mean it is a scrap ... Do you call 100 operational bomber B 52 aircraft as just a few ? If yes , then sorry , you clearly do not know anything ... Yeah , China is trying to make it now , see something wrong with it ? Are you even doing that ?
H-6 isn't the same Tu-16 anymore as it was at first , being reverse engineered ... It has evolved during time and more than 8 variants of it were produced incorporating various new technologies ... The latest of those being the H-6 K designed to carry 6 CJ-10 cruise missile at a time ...
The H-6K, first flying on 5 January 2007,[4] entered service in October 2009 during the celebrations of the 60th anniversary of the People's Republic of China,[5] and is claimed to give China its first proper strategic bomber.[5][6] With a reinforced structure making use of composite materials,[6] enlarged engine inlets for Russian NPO Saturn D-30KP-2 turbofan engines giving a claimed combat radius of 3,500 kilometres (2,200 mi),[5] a glass cockpit with large size LCD multi-function display,[7] and a reworked nose section eliminating the glazed navigator's station in favour of a more powerful radar, the H-6K is a significantly more modern aircraft than earlier versions. The bomb bay has been replaced by extra fuel capacity, and six underwing pylons for CJ-10A cruise missiles are fitted. The rear 23mm guns and gunner position are replaced by electronic components.[7]
Can you notice the difference now ?
lol.. you got me off my chair on this one... what makes the plane fly boy ?
Kid , first try to learn what is meant by the word " design " instead of showing your ignorance and naivety and considering two things to be the same same just because their " structural design " looks same to you ... So , you think only the airframe is needed to make a aircraft fly ?
They target enemy Early warning system... enemy air differences that's what B-2/B-1B/T-22/Tu-160 etc.. etc do... If you do the mistake of pushing your fancy air-superiority fighters in enemy territory without these being taken care off you'll end up losing more to the ground defenses than in air. This isn't WW2 any more boy... and get your WW2 mentality out.... It doesn't work here any more... might do in China but not rest of the world. These 60year old bombers are a sitting duck for modern era SAMs.
Ok , why are those systems called " Early Warning " if they cant warn early ? What use are they ? I would have understood if the bomber in question incorporated " stealth " technology ... I do not see B 52 in your little list , apart from the B-2 Spirit , none of the mentioned aircraft is even remotely close to something that can be called " stealthy " ... Again , I told you earlier Air Superiority fighters escort the bombers to carry out their mission while they care of airborne threats ... But instead of answering that , you are making up all sorts of wild guesses ... Yes , it isn't WW2 but the bombers were just as vulnerable then as they today are ... I didn't extend the scenario to every strategy or defense equipment ... Ok , then even other class of aircraft ( Air superiority , fighter , interceptor ) are sitting ducks and useless just because SAM's have evolved ? Why doesn't your AF then just retire all aircraft because they aren't of any use anymore ?
Yes my boy... your heat is too much to be to tolerated.
Go and ask your school teacher about the difference between a Machine under repairs and the one waiting to be scrapped. No they DID NOT sell BARS/SAP-518/SAP-14...etc etc.. to China. Neither did they sell TVC AL-31 turbofans to china(the one with higher T/w ratio.)... only one suchengine was provided which currently flies their J-20. If you don't know about it better agree... don't make a joke of yourself. About RD-93... they supply the Upgraded RD-33 to India... forget about India protesting massively.. Its only good for her as the dependence of Pakistan increases on Russian hardware... there was a mute suggestion and and exports were blocked for some time.
Sure is , your lot prefers where no one opposes their views like BR ...
Why do not you ask your's to explain to you there's no difference between both because even ex-Varyag was structurally complete at the time of sell ? The same machine Admiral Gorshkov wasn't being repaired regularly for 8 years until it was sold to India and hence according to your logic , it was the same old rusting crap ... Right ?
The ship was renamed Admiral Gorshkov after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 . In 1994, following a boiler room explosion, the ship was docked for a year of repairs. Although she returned to service in 1995, she was finally withdrawn in 1996 and offered for sale.
Possibly , Beijing never asked for BARS/SAP-518/SAP-14 huh ? Because if your beloved mother Russia was that keen to sell China the Su-35- their most advanced piece of technology , I cant think of any reason for the denial of some random radar and other avionics ...
Showing your ignorance again , aren't you ? AL-31 powers the J 10 and Su 27 - both of which are in active service with PLAAF ... Time you research and learn kid ...
The Saturn AL-31 is a family of military turbofan engines. It was developed by Lyulka, now NPO Saturn, of Russia (former Soviet Union), originally for the Sukhoi Su-27 air superiority fighter. It produces a total thrust of 123 kN (27,600 lb) with afterburning in the AL-31F, 137 kN (30,800 lb) in the AL-31FM (AL-35F) and 142 kN (32,000 lb) in the AL-37FU variants. Currently it powers all Su-27 derivatives and the Chengdu J-10 multirole jet fighter which has been developed in China.
How can anyone forget India protesting massively with what they call us their allied partner ?
... Were the exports ever blocked or Russia assured Beijing that it will proceed ahead with the sale after your protests ? ... China's own WS-13 will be used to power the JF-17 from Block 3 onwards , do you see the flaw in the plan now ?
There a different reason for Mig 21 crashes... to deal with them more and more intermediate trainers are required not combat fighters... now that the trainer deals are being put on track... the crashes would go down soon. Now with your IOC confusion... there's only one IOC.... it was done in two steps... 1st involving use of weapons like heat seeking short range missiles, Guided bombing and ground attack, Navigation, flight dynamics etc... the 2nd part involving use of Radar guided missiles, AMRAAM, Electronic warfare etc... same happens elsewhere in the world too.. doesn't it ?
Whatever the reason maybe , doesn't change the fact of it being the " flying coffin " and therefore necessary to replace them ...
The major reason of Mig 21 crashes is its old airframe and unreliable spare parts being developed in India , ask for prove and I will spoon feed you a couple of links ...
Theres was never a confusion in the first place ... Your own sources from the defense industry confirm that there is a IOC-2 since the first one was completed with watered down requirements and the aircraft isn't fully airworthy yet and certainly not the case of " tested with full weapons or half " as you made up after being refuted on your lie that there was never a IOC-2 for Tejas ...
But it became clear later that Tejas had only achieved partial IOC. It would have to be followed by IOC-II to certify the fighter was fully airworthy. Moreover, it would require the final operational clearance (FOC), with integration of all weapons and other systems, before it could be deemed combat-worthy .
UPA's major goof up: Tejas inducted - Economic Times
You don't understand the importance of external design features of a plane which makes it fly and you want me to prove how Chinese are RE it in their planes... 1st go and learn something boy then come here to argue... J-8 has many features from Mig21... Jf-17 is derived from a cancelled Russian project Mig-33.... J-10 based on Lavi... J-20 has inputs from both Mig-1.42 as well as F-35 and F-22... but that won't go in your head so don't bother about it... you are free to keep your beloved delusion intact.
I understand everything that you cant explain ... Yes , since you made the claim , who needs to prove it ? Every aircraft is based on / features some design similarities with a former or current aircraft and once again doesn't mean they are the same or copied/reverse engineered ... There is nothing wrong with it ... Your deluded lot is free to make up wild theories/guesses on what or which every Chinese aircraft is based on / reverse engineered from ... Do you see something not going into your head ?
What come after RE.. is a copied product not innovation and creation ... are you all right ?
I meant the " cycle of learning " kid ... But that obviously was way above your level ...
