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Indians don't have the IQ to reverse engineer and they certainly cannot innovate jacksh*t.

So guess how they get their weapons......buy from foreign countries.

India still buying weapons from other countries puts them equal to african countries.
It's not a surprise because India's main competitor is Africa in many areas from poverty levels, mortality, corruption, weapons importing.

Brahmos is a 100% Russian missile. What could India possibly provide Russia with besides paint job? NOTHING.

There is absolutely nothing in the Indian military that is built by Indians. NOTHING.
Every single weapon is Russian, Israeli, European.

I don't think Indians have the capability to reverse engineer, it takes a lot of skill to be able to study it and make it your self.
Iranians have a domestic industry more capable than india, that is a FACT.

You know what that means, it means Indians are in the bottom rung in military capability.
Totally useless country. Only good at laughing at others, they are experts at that, but absolutely useless at everything else.
Sums up their country over the past few centuries.
 
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Indiana don't have the IQ to reverse engineer and they certainly cannot innovate jacksh*t.

So guess how they get their weapons......buy from foreign countries.

India still buying weapons from other countries puts them equal to african countries.
It's not a surprise because India's main competitor is Africa in many areas from poverty levels, mortality, corruption, weapons importing.

Brahmos is a 100% Russian missile. What could India possibly provide Russia with besides paint job? NOTHING.

There is absolutely nothing in the Indian military that is built by Indians. NOTHING.
Every single weapon is Russian, Israeli, European.

I don't think Indians have the capability to reverse engineer, it takes a lot of skill to be able to study it and make it your self.
Iranians have a domestic industry more capable than india, that is a FACT.

You know what that means, it means Indians are in the bottom rung in military capability.
Totally useless country. Only good at laughing at others, thy are experts at that, but absolutely useless at everything else.
Sums up their country over the past few centuries.

reverse engineering isn't exactly "technological Wonder". neither it is a process innovation. Not many Indian firms defense or otherwise aren't considering that option as frequently as Chinese ones do. it's a matter of choice for Indians.
 
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Indians don't have the IQ to reverse engineer and they certainly cannot innovate jacksh*t.

So guess how they get their weapons......buy from foreign countries.

India still buying weapons from other countries puts them equal to african countries.
It's not a surprise because India's main competitor is Africa in many areas from poverty levels, mortality, corruption, weapons importing.

Brahmos is a 100% Russian missile. What could India possibly provide Russia with besides paint job? NOTHING.

There is absolutely nothing in the Indian military that is built by Indians. NOTHING.
Every single weapon is Russian, Israeli, European.

I don't think Indians have the capability to reverse engineer, it takes a lot of skill to be able to study it and make it your self.
Iranians have a domestic industry more capable than india, that is a FACT.

You know what that means, it means Indians are in the bottom rung in military capability.
Totally useless country. Only good at laughing at others, they are experts at that, but absolutely useless at everything else.
Sums up their country over the past few centuries.
Google up Indian military equipmentdomestically made...if google isn't censored there.....
And Iranians are even worse copyca ts than you, but atleast they are forced to do it, unlike your country......
and pray tell me one Iranian weapon more capable than our???
Our defence industry doesn't not compare well to yours, but you had economic freedom in 70's whereas we had it in the 90's, so you are investing in the sector for fore than 40 years and we just 20. That does make a difference.....
All the info about Brahmos development is up on the net, you can just search the web....
If you don't find Indian contribution, that's understandable cause it is probably censored too....

The only thing you are good at is posting half facts and imagining up the other half, and then gloating about it....your post reveals your ignorance, nothing else
 
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Well whatever it is , serves as a prove that Beijing is now well past reverse engineering and now onto creating new aircraft based on previous experience whatever way they chose , supports the fact China is capable of developing 5th Generation fighters ... And as there are none except F22 Raptor operational at the moment , that is fact that confirms that China hasn't stolen this tech :azn: And since Western media is desperate to prove otherwise , they are making fancy titled propaganda news that " How the hackers got sensitive info " and :blah: ... Is it so easy to steal the blueprints and other information of sensitive and top secret American military hardware ?

Chinese Hackers Stole Plans for America's New Joint Strike Fighter Plane, Says Investigations Subcommittee Chair | CNSNews.com
That's the language of an uneducated 12 year old who refuses to look into anything other that what pleases him and makes him happy... you are trying to say here is that The whole world is wrong... If you even had a little knowledge about airplanes and their design features you would have looked into what J-20 inherited from the F-35 JSF program... why don't you just go away and sing praises of J-20 If its so indigenous rather coming here and wasting other's time reading and replying your stupidity.

I can get you a couple of threads from Indian defense suggesting otherwise , you own scientists making tall claims with no real prove ...

Lead me there.

How old would be the B52 design ? Hmmm lets see according to wiki The B-52 took its maiden flight in April 1952. Built to carry nuclear weapons for Cold War-era deterrence missions, the B-52 Stratofortress replaced the Convair B-36.The B-52 has been in active service with the USAF since 1955. The B-52 marked its 50th anniversary of continuous service with its original operator in 2005 and after being upgraded between 2013 and 2015 it will serve into the 2040s.[N 1]

You are trying to make something now what others made 60 years ago.
Out-dated and outclassed by Newer Gen. bombers like Tu-23M/B-1B/Tu-160/B-2 etc... but China cannot built them until they steal the data from somewhere and get their blue prints.

See , how ridiculous and baseless this argument of yours is ... The design has been improved/innovated upon tremendously and now evolved into H-6K ... Why do not you ask Uncle Sam about their ancient design serving until now ? As major AF's around the world still operate this sort of aircraft , you have no reason to question the Chinese and then foolishly assume that they wont be escorted by air superiority fighters ! :azn: Besides , this particular one can carry upto 6 long range Cruise missiles ... Just because you cant do something , doesn't mean you have to downplay other's achievements !

What design Changes do you see here genius ?
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What would your Airsuperiority fighter do when SAMs are approaching their formation... save their @ss or save the 60 year old bomber....:lol:
You can see an example of what happens to such ancient piece of war machine in modern times.
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I am well aware of the condition of both AC's ... I was using your claim to refute you on the aged designs and nothing else ... You said that this Chinese AC is more than 30 years old ... I showed you how the INS Viraat is almost 60 years old ... Admiral Gorshkov the same story ... Rusting old crap , as you said ? ... Yes , this will now be completed in China along with another one of which construction has started indigenously ! Better to build it yourselves than pay a highly inflated price to the Russians right ? :azn:

Do you understand English School boy ?... Rusting piece of material in open air waiting to be scrapped for 20 long years is what Varyag was.... It was bought by some Chong Lot Travel Agency(Hong Kong based) for 20million USD(yes the price at which you buy a single JF-17).. They bought it in the name of making some floating casino like China had been making of other Australian Carriers which were to be scrapped in Macau... Now If you paint it all new and sing praises on it it could become a National pride for China but not a war machine.... If you understand how is an AC operated and what threats are faced by it.... but sice you don't I won't.

You hardly understand what a well maintained warship is in comparison to a rusting piece of Junk waiting to be scrapped.

No , being continuously rejected despite having 3 decades of making shows that something is terribly wrong with the Tejas ... Why do you need IOC-2 ? You had decades of experience license manufacturing planes , doing JV's since decades and still cant get it operational ! Why ? ... All AF's induct their aircraft and then improve the design/systems ... Why is it so different this time ? China hasn't compromised on anything , they have bought major Russian systems ( Yeah , the same beloved hardware ) over the time as well as reverse engineer , innovate and now create aircraft ... Nice strategy right ? Resulted in J 10 , FC 1 / JF 17 , J 11 , J 8 and a couple of other aircraft ...
Not to mention the Russian hardware they operate !

As per your pea sized brain yes.
What is IOC-2 ?... care to enlighten ignorants like us.
Its a waste of time proving things to since its out of your capacity... rather than understanding a single word you are still moving in circles.
What Russian hardware are you talking about...their 2nd grade engine ?.... their 3rd grade electronics ?... they hardly supplied China with any thing more than their 2nd class equipment.

Reliant on reverse engineering , were ... Good old time , now they are into the " creation " part ... You cant say it now when new classes/generation of military equipment is coming out of China's domestic industries ! Go ahead and search instead of being in the state of denial , burying your head in the sand and desperately claiming all Chinese hardware to be inferior than your's / being a copy , reverse engineered , stolen without any prove ! If your non-operational LCA is so good enough to take on everything PLAN can possibly throw , ask your decision makers not to waste money on the Rafale !

What is 2012 then.. and this new Tu-16 copy ?
Again your ill-education exposes you here.
Different machines for different roles.... Tejas and Rafale both have different roles and both are better in quality against any Chinese 3rd gen. aircraft(4th for rest of the world).
 
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again too much useless indian rants```please making bullets first then come here to lecture

Do you know what it takes to make a bullet Chinaman.... why bother about it when you can RE it...:lol:

Even the indian capital city is overrun by monkeys. So the indians come to PDF to hurl their verbal feces everywhere like a monkey.


Why don't you watch movie Chinaman.

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Respect chinaman respect.
 
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India cannot hack though. If someone can hack a very secure system like that, it proves that their programming skills are top tier. Indians cannot, so that's why when someone says India shining service superpower or software superpower I just laugh. India doesn't even have a single notable software product. They do "software service" which is just another name for debugging code of others and coding the ideas of others lmao.

Dogs bark all the time Chinaman... but the Lion roars only when its required... till then you can say that the lion is weak Chinaman.

AWAC was not built with Israeli help. In fact, it was because we couldn't get Israeli help that we built it ourselves. The deal was blocked in 1998. Prove KJ-2000 had any foreign help at all. You are just intellectually dishonest, if not lacking.

KJ-2000 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes it was Chinaman... they helped you in making that antenna... as they did with their lavi project.

If KJ-2000 was built with foreign help, then there's no way we could make a derivative product so quickly unless we absorbed the foreign technology so fast we could make a miniaturized version.

KJ-200 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You made a freaking combat fighter in no time(thanks to RE)... thats still an antenna... although KJ-200 is quiet different from KJ-2000 and I would give you the credits for making the machine... nothing wrong If some Israeli or
Russian help was there.

Of course, India is still buying whole systems from foreign countries. In the supply chain of materials, materials processing equipment, components, subsystems and systems, India is at the "import systems" level and just starting to understand how to buy subsystems. It is not even ready to talk about even understanding components, materials and processing equipment.

Does it make any difference China man.... until recently China was the to importer.. but your RE got you 4 places down quickly as compared to India.
It doesn't mean that you understand a system if you're RE it chinaman if you could you've had made that on your own using your own brain.

There is nothing in India that's indigenous except for "cheapest" of X (like the fire-it-up Nano or 35 dollar tablet, which actually costs 50 dollars to make).

as per the logic which works in your well.. yes... have a good time there with what CCP feeds you... the world's watching you with pity in their eyes... you have my condolences chinaman.. greet my message to your kits and kins too.
 
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What's with all this load of rubbish from our indian forumer friend???

You all are simply incapable of modifying any existing system. To mask all this inferiority of technology backward. Simply by attacking others capable of superior technology which allows them to modify exisiting system to better suit or upgrade a level of better or higher technology in order to prolong or increase its usage and surviviability..

I find it amused some Indian forumer member even proudly claim they are just a matter of choices choosing modifying an existing system or refuse it by just paying money for another system.

I have already post this wonderful article which you all simply ignore and make a big circle coming back to the same point.

Can you all please explain to me why copying an AK-47 to you all is not shameful while others modifying more complicated and complex weapon like aircraft is consider copy and not right?

Delusion and frustrated are the words to describe our dear Indian forumer who can only watch helplessly their country slipping deeper and deeper of dependant on western for their military defense.

While China can simply build equal advance or better sub system on its own...

BBC NEWS | Business | Kalashnikov upset by Indian 'copy'

I sum up shortly. Indian can only copy AK-47 rifle ,and they can't even copy it properly.. Nepal armed forces claim this Indian copy crap rifle malfunction badly.. While Indian can only admired and hope they can become like their more powerful neighbours of China who is more technology advance that they can modify existing old system like Tu-16 into modern platform suiting the warfare in the 21th century....
 
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What's with all this load of rubbish from our indian forumer friend???

You all are simply incapable of modifying any existing system. To mask all this inferiority of technology backward. Simply by attacking others capable of superior technology which allows them to modify exisiting system to better suit or upgrade a level of better or higher technology in order to prolong or increase its usage and surviviability..

I find it amused some Indian forumer member even proudly claim they are just a matter of choices choosing modifying an existing system or refuse it by just paying money for another system.

I have already post this wonderful article which you all simply ignore and make a big circle coming back to the same point.

Can you all please explain to me why copying an AK-47 to you all is not shameful while others modifying more complicated and complex weapon like aircraft is consider copy and not right?

Delusion and frustrated are the words to describe our dear Indian forumer who can only watch helplessly their country slipping deeper and deeper of dependant on western for their military defense.

While China can simply build equal advance or better sub system on its own...

BBC NEWS | Business | Kalashnikov upset by Indian 'copy'

I sum up shortly. Indian can only copy AK-47 rifle ,and they can't even copy it properly.. Nepal armed forces claim this Indian copy crap rifle malfunction badly.. While Indian can only admired and hope they can become like their more powerful neighbours of China who is more technology advance that they can modify existing old system like Tu-16 into modern platform suiting the warfare in the 21th century....

Is this the reason ... countries like Zimbabwe rejects your fighters
 
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Is this the reason ... countries like Zimbabwe rejects your fighters

By quoting one example to fit yr point? How abt Pakistan, Bangladesh , Myanmar, Zambia, Egypt, Venezula and many many other who are too happy to buy our product?

After I proved India also copy and copy badly, it shut yr mouth, right? :lol:
 
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Where is the Indian high horse who claim they don't copy while accuse other of copy? Dare not show up yrself to do a clarification regarding this news from BBC??? :lol:

BBC NEWS | Business | Kalashnikov upset by Indian 'copy'

The Russian company behind the world's most infamous rifle, the Kalashnikov AK-47, is up in arms over an alleged copy made by India's state weapons maker.
Representatives from Izhmash, the gun's original manufacturer, discovered what they see as an Indian rip-off of the AK-47 at an arms fair in Delhi.

But India's Ordnance Factory Board says the weapon is different enough to count as a distinct design.

AK-47 copies are produced in dozens of countries, but only a handful have formally licensed it.

The row blew up, Izhmash representatives told Agence France Presse news agency, when the man who invented the AK-47 in World War II visited OFB's pavilion at the arms fair and saw what he thought was a copy of his brainchild.

"I don't see any permission being given to India to manufacture the rifle" and sell it for export, said Izhmash's Andrei Vishnyakov.

Russia is India's largest supplier of weapons - although not of AK-47s.

'Threat'

The new weapon has yet to appear on OFB's website, which advertises products ranging from pistols to main battle tanks.

Still, OFB staff were keen to deny the accusation.

"The cocking mechanism is different, the lever has been changed and the barrel is chrome-plated," OFB gun designer Mohammad Ali told AFP.

For general manager MK Garg, Izhmash's complaint rests on a false premise.

"The Russian Kalashnikov was made in 1947 and no patent in the armament industry is valid beyond 30 years," he said.

"It seems they are threatened by our product."

Who owns what?

Izhmash has run into copyright problems before.

Russian companies spent two years disputing who controlled rights to the AK-47 before Izhmash finally won sole control in 2002.

But the millions of copies sold in arms bazaars over the world - and appearing on at least one national flag (Mozambique's) as well - have yet to produce much in the way of royalties.

INDIAN IS BAD LOSER!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Why I say Indian is bad loser?? They do criminal things and dare to go around calling other criminal... Not only bad loser but shameless. :lol:
 
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I am still waiting for an Indian high horse to reply me regarding the BBC news of Indian copy...

No reply?? Usually Indian troll will be swift and fast to come in to accuse Chinese of copy. But after waited so long. No high horse Indian come in to clarify this copy thing???

Lesson learn. Look into the mirror before you speak of others... :lol:
 
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Chinese Hackers Stole Plans for America's New Joint Strike Fighter Plane, Says Investigations Subcommittee Chair |
That's the language of an uneducated 12 year old who refuses to look into anything other that what pleases him and makes him happy... you are trying to say here is that The whole world is wrong... If you even had a little knowledge about airplanes and their design features you would have looked into what J-20 inherited from the F-35 JSF program... why don't you just go away and sing praises of J-20 If its so indigenous rather coming here and wasting other's time reading and replying your stupidity.

What you have been using all along is the language of a fanboy who will constantly deny the facts even if they hit him in his face ... I am not surprised ... Does your whole world only consist of a few propaganda Western channels ? The frog of the pond , as they say lol ... Western media just like Indians is desperate to prove something - China cant build a 5th Generation Aircraft ... As usual I expect them to come with all fancy titled wild conspiracy theories from " How Martians gave China blueprints " to " How hackers stole the J 35 blueprints " ... Where is the proof ? Just some random self declared experts speculating cluelessly ! Has any US official confirmed or denied it ? ... If it is that easy to hack into information regarding these sensitive military hardware , then its about time US and the West hire some security experts :rofl: Because some day , China will hack into DoD server and launch a nuclear attack on US soil like the Terminators lol ... If you feel your time is wasted , then instead of downplaying other's achievement when your country cant make **** , you are free to quit ! :azn: I am not forcing you to reply , am I ?

You are trying to make something now what others made 60 years ago.
Out-dated and outclassed by Newer Gen. bombers like Tu-23M/B-1B/Tu-160/B-2 etc... but China cannot built them until they steal the data from somewhere and get their blue prints.

The others are using the same for 50 years so it may be serving some purpose right ? :azn: Seriously , I told you earlier and even asked to check the thread regarding the changes made in H-6 K but of course your only purpose here is to post for the sake of debating rather than constructively debate ! Same way the old H-6 M was replaced by H-6 K ... I asked you how you assume that it is still the same 60 years old thing ? ... But instead of replying to that , you bring in new arguments ... Would have been better if you defended your former ones ! Soon , the Beijing will be creating one of those and you will still be in denial ... Just how you cant believe now that PLAAF has an operational strategic bomber now which is capable of carrying upto 6 cruise missiles !

What design Changes do you see here genius ?
What would your Airsuperiority fighter do when SAMs are approaching their formation... save their @ss or save the 60 year old bomber....:lol: You can see an example of what happens to such ancient piece of war machine in modern times.

What are you , 5 ? :rofl: To think two things are the same just because they look same to you ? ... What sort of absurd argument was that ?

The same that Russian and Americans fighters are supposed to do when SAM approaches their formation :lol: .. Are you saying that even air superiority fighters are outdated and useless just because SAM's have evolved ? :azn: ... Let me enlighten you , bomber aircraft do not go into the enemy airspace straight , they wait for the air superiority fighters to clear it , and then go in for the kill ... You do not have to expose your ignorance everywhere , its better to research before posting !

Do you understand English School boy ?... Rusting piece of material in open air waiting to be scrapped for 20 long years is what Varyag was.... It was bought by some Chong Lot Travel Agency(Hong Kong based) for 20million USD(yes the price at which you buy a single JF-17).. They bought it in the name of making some floating casino like China had been making of other Australian Carriers which were to be scrapped in Macau... Now If you paint it all new and sing praises on it it could become a National pride for China but not a war machine.... If you understand how is an AC operated and what threats are faced by it.... but sice you don't I won't. You hardly understand what a well maintained warship is in comparison to a rusting piece of Junk waiting to be scrapped.

Yeah , the same school boy who refuted you in all your arguments lol
I didn't bring this " being this old " design argument , you did ... I just proved how both of your AC's are the same ... 20 long years , really ? Who told you so ? Once again facts are against you ...

China's first aircraft carrier is built upon the unfinished former Soviet aircraft carrier Varyag. She was known as Riga[3] when her keel was laid down at Shipyard 444 (now Nikolayev South) in Nikolayev on December 6, 1985.[4] Design of the carrier was undertaken by the Nevskoye Planning and Design Bureau.[5] She was launched December 4, 1988, and was renamed Varyag (Varangian) in late 1990, after the famous Russian cruiser. Construction had ceased by 1992, with the ship structurally complete but without electronics. The carrier was purchased from Ukraine in 1998 by the PRC, reportedly for use as an amusement park, and moved to China. She has since been fitted out by People's Liberation Army Navy as an aircraft carrier for "scientific research, experiment and training."[6]


How many mathematics classes you bunked to consider 1992-1998 as 20 long years ? Too rusting for 8 years lol ... I told you earlier , ethics have nothing to do in this business ... No matter how did they get it , who bought it and for whom ... The thing which matters is China will have an operational AC soon with more to follow on whom construction has already begun ...

The Varyag was moved in early June 2005 to a dry dock at Dalian (38.9414°N 121.6447°E). Her hull was sandblasted and scaffolding erected around her. Her island was painted in a red marine primer that is used to treat corroded metal. Jane's Fighting Ships states that Varyag may have been named Shi Lang and assigned pennant number 83. Jane's notes that both the name and pennant number are unconfirmed. Shi Lang was a Ming-Qing Dynasty admiral who defeated Koxinga's descendants' navy and conquered Taiwan in 1681.[13] Jane's Navy International noted in October 2007 that "refurbishment work and fitting out is continuing and the vessel is expected to begin initial sea trials in 2008".[14] At the end of 2008, the Asahi Shimbun reported that the carrier was "nearing completion".[1] On April 27, 2009 Varyag was reported to have been moved into another dry dock, "apparently to install engines and other heavy equipment".[15] A new radar mast was installed on Varyag's superstructure by December 15, 2009.[16]
Sensors that have been observed are Active Electronically Scanned Array(AESA) and Sea Eagle radar. Weapons observed have been the Type 1030 CIWS, and the FL-3000N missile system. It has also been observed that the old anti-ship missile tubes have been plugged and will not be used, thus freeing up more internal space for hangar or storage use. Russia plans to do the same when it modernizes the Varyag's sister Kuznetsov.[19]The carrier is expected to be handed over to the PLAN in 2012.[26] The carrier completed its sixth sea trial on 17 May 2012 and returned to Dalian.


So what were you saying about just being a national pride but not a war machine ? The state of denial , you see ? Or blinded by propaganda , should i call it ?

As per your pea sized brain yes.
What Russian hardware are you talking about...their 2nd grade engine ?.... their 3rd grade electronics ?... they hardly supplied China with any thing more than their 2nd class equipment. What is IOC-2 ?... care to enlighten ignorants like us. Its a waste of time proving things to since its out of your capacity... rather than understanding a single word you are still moving in circles.
Still better than having no brain :azn: ... What is 2nd grade engine and 3rd grade electronics ? Another delusion that Russian are entitled to sell the best only to India ? About time you grow up ! The Russians are smart businessmen , they sell to both countries and its foolish to think they discriminate ... What makes you delude yourself that there's variation in quality between the two ? ... China wouldn't have bought it in the first place if the Moscow trying to sell some watered-down hardware ... Russia was so desperate to sell SU 35 to the PLAAF that they fabricated a whole piece of news which was later denied officially by China lol ... But the PLAAN doesn't want to buy , they are satisfied with their domestic ones ...

IOC-2 ? I am sure you aren't aware what even the first IOC for any aircraft is ... All around the world , after getting an IOC for a new aircraft , manufacturers move onto to get the Final Operating Clearance ... But your 3 decades old aircraft requires another Initial Operating Clearance , wasn't it too self explanatory ? Or somehow the whole word has been doing it wrong for decades ? Something is seriously wrong with the aircraft because if there wasn't , the first one would have done the trick ... You expected it to enter service in 2010 but the date has been moved onto 2014 ... Care to enlighten us , why ?

I asked you to prove your claim of " every single Chinese aircraft " either being reverse engineered / copied or licenses built " ... Instead I get this constant childish nonsense " I dont expect you to understand " ... Try to refute what I said ...

What is 2012 then.. and this new Tu-16 copy ?Again your ill-education exposes you here. Different machines for different roles.... Tejas and Rafale both have different roles and both are better in quality against any Chinese 3rd gen. aircraft(4th for rest of the world).

Aren't newer generation/new classes of hardware of ships/aircraft coming out of China ? J11 , J 15 and new corvettes , frigates and other ships ? How will you explain it ? Really ? What roles are you referring to if your 30 year old domestic Tejas is capable of handling everything Beijing can possibly throw as you - the thinking that your lot seems to obsessed with ? ... Repeating it like a parrot wont make your argument more credible .. Try harder next time ...
 
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I am still waiting for an Indian high horse to reply me regarding the BBC news of Indian copy...

No reply?? Usually Indian troll will be swift and fast to come in to accuse Chinese of copy. But after waited so long. No high horse Indian come in to clarify this copy thing???

Lesson learn. Look into the mirror before you speak of others... :lol:

again ignorant looser chinaman....

first atleast it's not an exact copy cat like every High SQ chini do with every product copycat. We don't try to hide it. It was originally built inspired from AK47, probably by 2-3 guys at work, so offcourse their was a possibility(even thought unintentional). when Russia objected, India worked on it again, not like shameless slaves, who first copy, then shout out of their lung about how they were made in china and then if possible claim it as their own after sometimes.


articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-09-16/nagpur/30165098_1_ak-47-mikhail-kalashnikov-insas


These ignorant chini slaves talking about bullets and guns, read below-

(the number is only for the legally registered, the non registered will be many times higher, simply because it cost just a fraction)-

siliconindia.com/shownews/40_Million_Guns_India_2nd_Only_to_US_in_Gun_Ownership-nid-106895-cid-1.html
 
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first atleast it's not an exact copy cat like every High SQ chini do with every product copycat. We don't try to hide it. It was originally built inspired from AK47, probably by 2-3 guys at work, so offcourse their was a possibility(even thought unintentional). when Russia objected, India worked on it again, not like shameless ignorant chini's, who first copy, then shout out of their lung about how they were made in china and then if possible claim it as their own after sometimes.
(the number is only for the legally registered, the non registered will be many times higher, simply because it cost just a fraction)-

siliconindia.com/shownews/40_Million_Guns_India_2nd_Only_to_US_in_Gun_Ownership-nid-106895-cid-1.html

What is an " exact copy " then ? That your lot shouts all along :lol: Even China doesn't/cant make 100% same copy , reverse engineering is not that easy as you think it to be ... Yeah you want the benefit of the doubt here , I see :rofl: ... Unintentional ? I think we are talking about a whole bunch of engineers in a particular defense industry ... 2-3 guys at work ? :rofl:

There's no ethics in this business ! Every country started it like that ...
Just because you cant , doesn't make the practice useless or a grave sin :azn:

You talking about ownership of guns now ? :rofl: ... Trolling in the first post , huh ?
 
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again ignorant looser chinaman....

first atleast it's not an exact copy cat like every High SQ chini do with every product copycat. We don't try to hide it. It was originally built inspired from AK47, probably by 2-3 guys at work, so offcourse their was a possibility(even thought unintentional). when Russia objected, India worked on it again, not like shameless ignorant chini's, who first copy, then shout out of their lung about how they were made in china and then if possible claim it as their own after sometimes.


articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-09-16/nagpur/30165098_1_ak-47-mikhail-kalashnikov-insas


These ignorant chini slaves talking about bullets and guns, read below-

(the number is only for the legally registered, the non registered will be many times higher, simply because it cost just a fraction)-

siliconindia.com/shownews/40_Million_Guns_India_2nd_Only_to_US_in_Gun_Ownership-nid-106895-cid-1.html

No, it has not answer the copy thing yet. You expect one rule to apply on other and exclude from yrself?

again ignorant looser Indianman....

first atleast it's not an exact copy cat like every High SQ Indian do with every product copycat. We don't try to hide it. It was originally built inspired from Tu-16, probably by 2-3 guys at work, so offcourse their was a possibility(even thought unintentional). when Russia objected, China worked on it again, not like shameless ignorant India's, who first copy, then shout out of their lung about how they were made in India and then if possible claim it as their own after sometimes.

I switch the China to India. Ak-47 to Tu-16 and it all sounds familiar, right? :lol:

Get off yr high horse, Indian low tech copy cat... :lol:
 
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