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BS stereotype, that I have been forced to correct over and over again. :rolleyes:

I live in Hong Kong, which has a constitutional guarantee to free media. In the Press Freedom Index, we rank as number one in Asia.

You are free to read the Hong Kong media, and check for any warmongering. Freedom doesn't automatically lead to stupidity.

You have missed the point by a whole fuckin football field, I meant to convey to you that a headline by media in free countries is not to be taken as an official statement. Living in hong kong or not, you seem to be still in grips of 'the party' in town.

Freedom doesn't automatically lead to stupidity
What seems to be as stupidity is usually regarded as freedom of expression elsewhere, but nevermind.
 
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can certain chinese members please halt their indian media attack!

none of the sources provided here are india...stop derailing!
 
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What we need is to turn Ordos into something useful. It has coal deposits. it has mineral deposits. Set up some smelters and coal chemical plants there. Those need electricity. Set up a nuclear plant too. Automotive industry absorbs excess production from smelters and chemical plants. Those all need IT services. Put some IT companies into those buildings. They all need massive amounts of employees, so attract services like hotels, restraunt, accountants, etc. It needs water. Make a canal to the Yellow River, employing thousands of engineers and technicians. All this needs to be defended so put an army base and an air base there too. That should raise the population to the target 8 million.
 
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Well you gotta know China is large and full of people, all kinds of people. So something may happen and something becomes news. If you believe what you read from the newspaper and think em that is all about China, You may get wrong kid.

How about explainig that piece of advice to your fellows, they seem to hang on to every piece of news in Indian media as the government line.
 
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Hoe about explainig that piece of advice to your fellows, they seem to hang on to every piece of news in Indian media as the government line.

People don't care whereabout the stupidity comes from, the government or private papers. They just wanna help you guys out of this brain mess, I guess.
 
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People don't care whereabout the stupidity comes from, the government or private papers.

People exposed to differing views learn to give importance to some views and ignore the others, you'll learn soon enough.
 
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People exposed to differing views learn to give importance to some views and ignore the others, you'll learn soon enough.

You may disagree with my point but please don't try insulting my intelligence.
 
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People don't care whereabout the stupidity comes from, the government or private papers. They just wanna help you guys out of this brain mess, I guess.

You may disagree with my point but please don't try insulting my intelligence.

First you seem to question the intelligence of chinese people who read news, and can't separate grain from the chaff in terms of stupidity. Then you ask me not to question your own intelligence in the same terms, how about deciding which option works better for you?
 
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These topics were discussed many times before. I am not sure if anybody ever mentioned that who are the builders ? Is it the corporation owned by the Govt or private builders or mix of everything. It would be hard to get finance unless you have sold a few or put substantial cash in the projects.
 
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These topics were discussed many times before. I am not sure if anybody ever mentioned that who are the builders ? Is it the corporation owned by the Govt or private builders or mix of everything. It would be hard to get finance unless you have sold a few or put substantial cash in the projects.

Well here's a read about it in today's WSJ edition, seems to be one of the measures Chinese govt took to protect its economy from a recession.
China's property sector is a larger but less worrisome animal than its U.S. cousin.

In 2010, investment in residential real estate accounted directly for 12% of China's gross domestic product, up from 10% in 2009 and a record. Throw in demand for construction material, and real estate's contribution is even larger. By contrast, the peak of spending on U.S. residential investment in 2005 was equal to just 6% of GDP.

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.A larger role for real estate in the Chinese economy means the consequences of a bust should be more serious than in the U.S. And recent years offer a worrying precedent. A crackdown on speculation saw growth in real-estate investment fall from 31% a year at the end of 2007 to 3% at the beginning of 2009. The hit to construction spending, as much as the fall in exports, crunched China's GDP growth to a decade low of 6.5%.

At first sight, history appears ready to repeat itself as prices run up sharply. The official house-price data tend to underestimate changes. But data from Soufun Holdings, which runs China's leading property website, show average prices in first-tier cities like Beijing and Shanghai rising considerably faster than disposable incomes.

Meanwhile, breakneck construction in 2009 and 2010 has created an overhang of supply—including the ghost blocks of high-end residential apartments bought for speculative purposes that loom large in the bears' arguments. The government continues to clamp down on speculators. That double whammy will at some point bring the price surge to an end and take the wind out of real-estate developers' sails.

But when private investment fell away in 2008, there was nothing to take its place. This time round, the government plans a huge investment in affordable housing. The thin margins available in affordable construction are cold comfort for listed developers, but plans to build 10 million new budget residences in 2011 should to an extent cushion China's economy from a sharp slowdown in private-sector construction.

In the U.S., post-crash housing is still weighed down by overbuilding in certain hot spots. In China, urbanization and rising wages mean most construction is better underpinned by demand. And houses are generally paid for with cash, not credit. In the U.S., mortgage debt reached 103% of GDP in 2007. In China, long-term loans to households, a proxy for mortgage borrowing, is 16% of GDP. Even throwing in loans to real-estate developers and a share of loans to local government investment vehicles—some of which are invested in property—takes the total only to 50%.

A slowdown in prices, if not an outright decline in some cities, is a distinct possibility. That will hurt private developers. A sharp enough correction will cause the banks pain and hit consumer confidence and spending. But it shouldn't signal economic disaster as it did in the U.S
 
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There is a question I want to ask, why the hell did someone post this thread in the world-affairs section in the first place? I believe it belongs to the china sub-forum. Is it because all the sudden Chinese "Ghost City" becomes an international issue?
 
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These topics were discussed many times before. I am not sure if anybody ever mentioned that who are the builders ? Is it the corporation owned by the Govt or private builders or mix of everything. It would be hard to get finance unless you have sold a few or put substantial cash in the projects.

See the video I have posted.

The answer is there.

Every Mayor has to meet the GDP figure and building infrastructure is the only answer.
 
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If I want to find even the slightest bit of negative news about China, I can always come here and be sure non-Chinese are starting a thread about it. Pathetic, really.

These ghost cities aren't a problem for China. Not one bit. Chanos is wrong and Rogers is right.
This is Chinese people borrowing money from Chinese people to build real estate in China.
This is different from Spain where the money is borrowed from Germans. Or the US where the money is borrowed from the Chinese. Or India, where no one is lending them money on this scale to build anything.

Westerners act like consumerism is the hard part. NO. Consumerism is the easy part and Chinese people spend money as well as anyone. The two biggest market for luxury watches for the last 20 years has been Singapore and Hong Kong. The US has $50 TRILLION in public and private debt. Anybody can learn to borrow and spend. That's the easy part. Chinese people want iPad 2 too. When China is ready (10 more years), it will release consumerism on a scale that will put the Japanese and South Koreans to shame.
 
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you have to sell it then got thr GDP

didi those guys ever went to school :lol:
 
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