Capabilities of PAF Dassault MIRAGE-III/V.

[Armchair]

Don't rub salt on my wounds. I always wanted PAF to get M2K's.

And a JFT with Delta wings would basically be a new gen M2K... look at the profiles of both aircraft, they are quite similar...

 

[MastanKhan]

of course, the JH-7A has engines that were designed from the get-go based on low level strike. If I recall the Blackburn Buccaneer was the archetype to this. However, I do think that a JFT with delta wings, reconfigured DSI, would be an excellent aircraft designed for strike.

Hi,

The reason you manufacture an aircraft is when there is nothing available---. When the Jh7A is available---there is no reason to re-invent the wheel---.

 

[ali_raza]

Don't rub salt on my wounds. I always wanted PAF to get M2K's.

and then i have to support mastan sahb when he says these things

 

[ziaulislam]

I was quite surprised with the development of the JFT-B version. It basically had to go through 80% of the testing because a lot changed, from the materials to the aerodynamics to the CoG (Center of Gravity). Yet, they went through with it.

A delta wing would allow the JFT to be a plane that can be the best strike aircraft for PAF. It would save the PAF from having to buy something like the JH-7A or another new platform, which would not only be expensive foreign exchange wise, but also require a whole new set of maintenance and other sustainment investments.

A delta-winged JFT would require none of this. With large conformal fuel tanks and the new more powerful engines, they would easily be able to cover the strike range requirements of PAF. Large delta wings would allow a heavy weapons load, along with more fuel. Basically, it would be like what an Su-34 is to a FLANKER.

seems PAF is in content with running the mirages till 2030(~2ish squardons, judging by the fact it is still shopping around for them!) and hoping to get a new fifth gen delta by round about that time..if not possible it will opt for 1-2 squadron of j10s

jf-17B was a JV and both CAC and PAC felt that customer sale will justify the cost...it wasnt purely a PAF request

 

[Armchair]

Hi,

The reason you manufacture an aircraft is when there is nothing available---. When the Jh7A is available---there is no reason to re-invent the wheel---.

JH-7A production line stopped a few years ago...

 

[MastanKhan]

JH-7A production line stopped a few years ago...

The Saab aircraft with Paf---their production has also stopped---.

 

[Armchair]

The Saab aircraft with Paf---their production has also stopped---.

Very different animals. One is a fighter bomber, the other is a civilian airliner / converted to awacs.
You don't want to buy a second hand fighter bomber that has only about 300 copies and a shut production line... lack of spares will be a major issue.

Now, if we could get them for 5 million USD a piece it would be worth it. But the Chinese have upped their prices, a little too early if you ask me. Their equipment isn't worth what they are asking for.

seems PAF is in content with running the mirages till 2030(~2ish squardons, judging by the fact it is still shopping around for them!) and hoping to get a new fifth gen delta by round about that time..if not possible it will opt for 1-2 squadron of j10s

jf-17B was a JV and both CAC and PAC felt that customer sale will justify the cost...it wasnt purely a PAF request

2 squadrons of Mirages mean very little. Pak needs about 100 aircraft to replace the mirages. About 5-6 squadrons worth of fighters / strikers / recon / CAS to replace them.

 

[MastanKhan]

Very different animals. One is a fighter bomber, the other is a civilian airliner / converted to awacs.
You don't want to buy a second hand fighter bomber that has only about 300 copies and a shut production line... lack of spares will be a major issue.

Now, if we could get them for 5 million USD a piece it would be worth it. But the Chinese have upped their prices, a little too early if you ask me. Their equipment isn't worth what they are asking for.



2 squadrons of Mirages mean very little. Pak needs about 100 aircraft to replace the mirages. About 5-6 squadrons worth of fighters / strikers / recon / CAS to replace them.

Hi,

Different function---different utility---.

It is different with strike aircraft---. They don't need to meet the criteria of air superiority fighters---.

Just like the 50 years old mirage 3/5 is being made useful---a 30 years old JH7A can do wonders---.

Or th B52 upgrade---or the B1 upgrade---.

 

[Armchair]

Hi,

Different function---different utility---.

It is different with strike aircraft---. They don't need to meet the criteria of air superiority fighters---.

Just like the 50 years old mirage 3/5 is being made useful---a 30 years old JH7A can do wonders---.

Or th B52 upgrade---or the B1 upgrade---.

Mirages are in numbers, so setting up overhaul facilities made sense. Now imagine having to do that for a small number of outdated, out of production, maintenance intensive jets.

I'm sure if we sent you to negotiate MK, you could get us a good deal for the JH-7As

 

[Basel]

I was quite surprised with the development of the JFT-B version. It basically had to go through 80% of the testing because a lot changed, from the materials to the aerodynamics to the CoG (Center of Gravity). Yet, they went through with it.

A delta wing would allow the JFT to be a plane that can be the best strike aircraft for PAF. It would save the PAF from having to buy something like the JH-7A or another new platform, which would not only be expensive foreign exchange wise, but also require a whole new set of maintenance and other sustainment investments.

A delta-winged JFT would require none of this. With large conformal fuel tanks and the new more powerful engines, they would easily be able to cover the strike range requirements of PAF. Large delta wings would allow a heavy weapons load, along with more fuel. Basically, it would be like what an Su-34 is to a FLANKER.

Why spent money on creating a new Delta aircraft for PAF?? If PAF wants a delta then they can easily go for J-10 from China.

 

[Armchair]

Why spent money on creating a new Delta aircraft for PAF?? If PAF wants a delta then they can easily go for J-10 from China.

Hi Basel, if you skip back a few pages, you will find my answer to why.

 

[ziaulislam]

Very different animals. One is a fighter bomber, the other is a civilian airliner / converted to awacs.
You don't want to buy a second hand fighter bomber that has only about 300 copies and a shut production line... lack of spares will be a major issue.

Now, if we could get them for 5 million USD a piece it would be worth it. But the Chinese have upped their prices, a little too early if you ask me. Their equipment isn't worth what they are asking for.



2 squadrons of Mirages mean very little. Pak needs about 100 aircraft to replace the mirages. About 5-6 squadrons worth of fighters / strikers / recon / CAS to replace them.

Jf 17 can do CAS ..its strike role that we need something and 2 sq of new gen fighter with high serviceability will be as good as 60 mirage 5

Jf 17 can even do strike role but its range is less than ideal

 

[Armchair]

2 sq of new gen fighter with high serviceability will be as good as 60 mirage 5

No

 

[ziaulislam]

No

Ok news to me

never knew mirage serviceability is better than 4th gen fighter

So now mirage after waving a wand go through overhaul less often than new gen fighters

Its also new to me that turbojet engines are now better than turbofan engines..

 

[ali_raza]

why not look into saudi tornadoes they can be grabbed for free and much much more modern
with terrain hugging capablity