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I don't think they were "stressed". After all they were an elite navy unit of a supa powa. But then the word navy is actually Persian, since Iranians basically invented navy. So they were emotional finally meeting the legendary warriors of the sea and just could not hold their emotions anymore. It is as if a Lamborghini fan while driving his Lamborghini could get to meet Mr Lamborghini himself, one afternoon. It is just overwhelming! Same thing happened here. ;)

By the way, yesterday it was in the news that Republicans in US had sent message to Iran not to release these fans of Iranian navy until US presidential election in a much similar way, the Republicans had sent a message to Iran not release diplomats until Carter's defeat or like when Nixon had sent a message to Vietnamese not to agree to peace until Nixon wins the presidential race. Old habit of US republican party.

And @gambit was educating us about how US military stands above politics and all and only loyal to the country. Lol. Pawns in the hands of politicians. That is what they are.
:lol: I love how you always find a rational explanation for any event! :lol:

Seriously? They had asked Iran not to release the sailors? I guess they never learn that Iran has its own agenda and doesn't follow others' lead.
 
:lol: I love how you always find a rational explanation for any event! :lol:

Seriously? They had asked Iran not to release the sailors? I guess they never learn that Iran has its own agenda and doesn't follow others' lead.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder! Yeah, Admiral Shamkhani said it and he is a very balanced and rational guy who does not issue statements without deep and I mean really deep meaning. If someone wants to gauge what Iran's strategy is, he/she should read every statement of his with lots of thinking over them. I am sure, it was intentional on his part.
 
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder! Yeah, Admiral Shamkhani said it and he is a very balanced and rational guy who does not issue statements without deep and I mean really deep meaning. If someone wants to gauge what Iran's strategy is, he/she should read every statement of his with lots of thinking over them. I am sure, it was intentional on his part.
Agreed. If he said it then it is true. I wonder how would the sailors feel when they hear that?
 
Agreed. If he said it then it is true. I wonder how would the sailors feel when they hear that?

Unfortunately, their lives will never be the same. In super-hero culture of US, what they went through is not understandable. In the eyes of many in US including their own navy, they are a failure. In all probably this is the end of their navy careers as well. Besides they are just foot soldiers and for them the bigger strategic game being played is unsympathetic, since they suffered for it, on a personal level.
 
Unfortunately, their lives will never be the same. In super-hero culture of US, what they went through is not understandable. In the eyes of many in US including their own navy, they are a failure. In all probably this is the end of their navy careers as well. Besides they are just foot soldiers and for them the bigger strategic game being played is unsympathetic, since they suffered for it, on a personal level.
I agree. However, it is a very dangerous development. If the armed forces loose their fate in a country's governance, that country will start to fall.
 
Republicans request was about their imprisoned spy in Iran, not the marines in the seized boats.
 
And here are the results of the investigation! I don't know what US Navy takes congressmen for but there are some very comical points in this report:

  • Farsi Island is so tiny it didn't show on sailors military grade GPS when zoomed out.
  • They were tracked by Naval operations base in the region, yet no one cared to let them know they have violated Iran's borders.
  • They could easily out gun Iran's gun boats. But they didn't want to start a war. Someone should show a picture of Iran's Zolfaqar to them and let them explain how they could outgun that?
  • One Iranian guard thought an iphone charger was a weapon! Maybe they should inquire Apple to find out how many iphones are active in Iran
I know they need to somehow cover their back, but please! you are insulting reader's intelligence!

@Daneshmand

Inside the U.S. Navy’s Iran Fiasco | Foreign Policy
 
And here are the results of the investigation! I don't know what US Navy takes congressmen for but there are some very comical points in this report:

  • Farsi Island is so tiny it didn't show on sailors military grade GPS when zoomed out.
  • They were tracked by Naval operations base in the region, yet no one cared to let them know they have violated Iran's borders.
  • They could easily out gun Iran's gun boats. But they didn't want to start a war. Someone should show a picture of Iran's Zolfaqar to them and let them explain how they could outgun that?
  • One Iranian guard thought an iphone charger was a weapon! Maybe they should inquire Apple to find out how many iphones are active in Iran
I know they need to somehow cover their back, but please! you are insulting reader's intelligence!

@Daneshmand

Inside the U.S. Navy’s Iran Fiasco | Foreign Policy
if it helps these guys sleep better at night , let them be .

i'd send them a big resupply of soft tissues if i were in charge ,they need it for their eyes .

get it ? cause they're still crying ...
 
Thanks god this incompetency was fixed by firing just one commander, I was worried about the whole U.S navy in the Persian gulf :lol:

U.S. Navy fires Commander of marines captured by Iran -navaltoday.com
Unfortunately, their lives will never be the same. In super-hero culture of US, what they went through is not understandable. In the eyes of many in US including their own navy, they are a failure. In all probably this is the end of their navy careers as well. Besides they are just foot soldiers and for them the bigger strategic game being played is unsympathetic, since they suffered for it, on a personal level.

Just as you predicted! Poor guy.
 
Navy fires "Eric Rasch" commander of U.S. sailors captured by Iran

WASHINGTON — The Navy has fired the commander of the 10 American sailors who wandered into Iranian territorial waters in the Persian Gulf and were captured and held by Iran for about 15 hours.

A Navy official says the Navy lost confidence in Commander Eric Rasch, who was the executive officer of the squadron that included the 10 sailors at the time of the Iran incident. He was responsible for the training and readiness of the 400-plus sailors in the unit.

The official says Rasch failed to provide effective leadership, leading to a lack of oversight, complacency and failure to maintain standards in the unit. Rasch has been relieved of his command duties and reassigned.

The official was not authorized to discuss the details publicly so spoke on condition of anonymity.



and finally the crew:
Navy Punishes 9 for Stumbling Into Iranian Hands

The Navy has ordered nine of its officers and sailors to walk a plank in connection with Iran’s seizure of two small U.S. vessels in the Persian Gulf in January. A lengthy chain of human errors—both at sea and on land—combined with an engine failure, led to the international humiliation broadcast around the world, the Navy’s top officer said Thursday.

Admiral John Richardson, the chief of naval operations, said that Iran was able to hold 10 U.S. sailors for 16 hours after they and their immediate commanders failed to follow Navy rules and regulations.

While Richardson warned that the U.S. Navy should “strike fear into anybody who would want to take us on,” the final report he released into the seizure highlighted poorly-trained sailors ill-suited for a mission in the middle of one of the world’s most contested waterways. “I find the failures that were documented in this investigation to be a symptom of a poorly led and unprepared unit thrust into a confusing situation that they were unable to comprehend and react to, until it was too late,” Vice Admiral Kevin Donegan, commander of U.S. Navy forces in the region, concluded in the report, which was released five months after it happened.

Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard took the sailors into custody at gunpoint Jan. 12, forcing them to kneel on deck with their hands clasped behind their heads. They were released unharmed, save for their pride, early the next day. The Navy found that a lieutenant and senior sailor aboard the two boats, and their local commander ashore in Kuwait, “were derelict in their duties in that they failed to meet even the most basic requirements of leadership, planning and tactical execution.”

Some sailors told the Iranians about the capabilities of their boats and provided them with passwords for personal laptops and cell phones. “It is clear that some, if not all, crew members provided at least some information to interrogators beyond name, rank, service number and date of birth,” the report said.

Three of the most senior implicated in the probe have been removed from command, likely ending their Navy careers. The remaining six also face such non-judicial punishment that could scuttle theirs, as well.

The inquiry criticized a pair of the captured Americans for making “statements adverse to U.S. interests” and for allowing the U.S. sailors to eat food provided by the Iranians while being filmed by the Iranians. But it praised the lone female U.S. sailor for “her extraordinary courage in activating an emergency beacon while kneeling, bound and guarded at Iranian gunpoint, at risk to her own safety.”

If those punished had planned the mission correctly—and paid attention to their maps and charts—the two so-called riverine boats, each about 50 feet long, never would have strayed into territorial waters claimed by Iran around its heavily-defended Farsi Island in the middle of the gulf. Iran released the sailors, following a flurry of diplomacy by Secretary of State John Kerry, after holding them on the island overnight. “I didn’t want to start a war with Iran,” one of the boat captains told Navy investigators. “My thought at the end of the day was that no one had to die for a misunderstanding.”

If it weren’t so serious, some of the crew’s missteps would be funny. They failed to realize they were closing in on Farsi Island because they neglected to enlarge a “purple dot” that appeared on their navigation screen. “Had any crew member zoomed into the purple dot,” the report noted, “they would have discovered the purple dot was Farsi Island.”

The good news, if any, contained in the report was that the boats didn’t initially drift off course due to some mechanical malfunction. The bad news is that the boats sailed off course deliberately due to the negligence of those aboard. The crew compounded its errors when the engine on one of the boats failed, and they didn’t report the problem up the chain, even after seeing Farsi Island.

The sailors, who were supposed to be traveling on a 297-mile trip from Kuwait to Bahrain, veered off their proper course shortly after their voyage began, trying to make up for a late start, according to the Navy probe. And while the boats reported their location back to shore, their shore-based comrades failed to act.

Iran violated international law by holding the sailors at gunpoint and videotaping them in captivity, the report concludes, although it acknowledges Iran was within its rights to investigate the boats once they entered Iranian waters.

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so everybody was fired or punished. that's what happens when you enter our waters :lol:

also their report is funny, they say Iran has violated the international law by holding the marines at gunpoint yet punishes the marines for not using their guns during the arrest!:crazy:
 
and even more:

Four more U.S. sailors disciplined in Iran boat seizure incident
David Larter, Navy Times 8:28 p.m. EDT August 9, 2016
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(Photo: MC1 Charles White/Navy)

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More officers and enlisted have been disciplined for their conduct in the January Farsi Island debacle, which lead to the capture of 10 sailors and two riverine command boats by Iranian paramilitaries.

Four officers and two enlisted went to mast before Navy Expeditionary Combat Command head Rear Adm. Frank Morneau. Of the four officers, two were found guilty of disobeying a superior and dereliction of duty, according to an NECC statement and given punitive letters of reprimand — a potentially career-ending move. A third officer officer was found not guilty of dereliction of duty.

A fourth officer was taken to admiral's mast, but the service declined to provide the actions taken until that officer's window to appeal the NJP has expired, according to a defense official who asked for anonymity to discuss ongoing administrative actions.


NAVY TIMES

Navy punishes four sailors who were detained by Iran

Two enlisted were also given punitive letters of reprimand for dereliction of duty.

NECC declined to name any of the sailors involved, citing privacy concerns.
 
and even more:

Four more U.S. sailors disciplined in Iran boat seizure incident
David Larter, Navy Times 8:28 p.m. EDT August 9, 2016
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(Photo: MC1 Charles White/Navy)

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More officers and enlisted have been disciplined for their conduct in the January Farsi Island debacle, which lead to the capture of 10 sailors and two riverine command boats by Iranian paramilitaries.

Four officers and two enlisted went to mast before Navy Expeditionary Combat Command head Rear Adm. Frank Morneau. Of the four officers, two were found guilty of disobeying a superior and dereliction of duty, according to an NECC statement and given punitive letters of reprimand — a potentially career-ending move. A third officer officer was found not guilty of dereliction of duty.

A fourth officer was taken to admiral's mast, but the service declined to provide the actions taken until that officer's window to appeal the NJP has expired, according to a defense official who asked for anonymity to discuss ongoing administrative actions.


NAVY TIMES

Navy punishes four sailors who were detained by Iran

Two enlisted were also given punitive letters of reprimand for dereliction of duty.

NECC declined to name any of the sailors involved, citing privacy concerns.
Wow,this really is the gift that keeps on giving,especially for these poor sods,one would have thought the us navy and government would`ve wanted to just quickly bury this whole mess and forget all about it,oh well...
 
Wow,this really is the gift that keeps on giving,especially for these poor sods,one would have thought the us navy and government would`ve wanted to just quickly bury this whole mess and forget all about it,oh well...
For them it was deeper that just a simple arrest by a foreign force. They kind of interpreted it as an insult to themselves and want to make sure it never happens again.

Am just wondering how would they react if anything like this happens again? This time they will surely resist arrest and then...... hopefully it won't get out of control.
 
At least one of the sailors was able to gain something:

Female Sailor Recognized for Bravery During Iranian Detention Incident
In the fallout from an embarrassing international incident in which two Navy riverine boats strayed into Iranian waters during a transit to Bahrain and were briefly captured, some half-dozen sailors have faced punishments, but one was recognized with a prestigious award for quick actions in the face of danger, Military.com has learned.

A Navy petty officer second class, the only female sailor among the 10 who were detained, received the Navy Commendation Medal on Aug. 3 in recognition of her efforts to summon help under the noses of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard members who captured the crews.

The number two gunner aboard the second riverine boat, she managed to activate an emergency position-indicating radio beacon, used to signal distress at sea, while in a position of surrender and at gunpoint.

A Navy spokesman, Lt. Loren Terry, said the sailor had asked not to be identified and had declined interviews.

Service commendation medals are presented for heroic service or meritorious achievement.

In a recommendation within the riverine command investigation released to reporters at the end of June, investigating officers found the riverine gunner should be recognized for "her extraordinary courage in activating an emergency beacon while kneeling, bound, and guarded at Iranian gunpoint, at risk to her own safety."

While one of the guards ultimately noticed the beacon and turned it off, help was not far off.

The Coast Guard Cutter Monomoy, which had been monitoring the journey of the riverine boats, notified Task Force 56.7, the parent unit in Bahrain, when the boats appeared to enter Iranian waters.

The investigation found the crews of the Monomoy and the guided-missile cruiser USS Anzio should also receive recognition for their efforts to track the captured boat crews and provide assistance for their safe return.

None of the riverine crew members involved in the incident has spoken publicly about the experience. They were returned to U.S. custody following a 15-hour period of detention, during which their captors filmed them and took photographs later used for propaganda purposes by the Iranian media.

Photos indicate the female gunner was made to wear a headscarf while detained.

A military source with knowledge of planning said the Navy's administrative personnel actions regarding the Jan. 12 riverine incident were nearing completion.

In all, three officers were removed from their posts and four officers were sent to admiral's mast, with two receiving letters of reprimand for disobeying a superior officer and dereliction of duty, according to a statement this week from Navy Expeditionary Combat Command and first reported by Navy Times.

One of the officers was found not guilty of dereliction of duty, and a fourth officer still awaits completion of "accountability actions."

Two enlisted sailors received letters of reprimand for dereliction of duty, according to the statement.

Chief of Naval Operations Adm. John Richardson said in June the Navy plans to implement better predeployment training and training on rules of engagement for sailors, as well as enhanced equipment checks and unit oversight.

-- Hope Hodge Seck can be reached at hope.seck@military.com. Follow her on Twitter at@HopeSeck.
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