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as i said , Tehran refinery incident happen during some maintenance .Seems like Israel has struck multiple targets in Iran today.
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as i said , Tehran refinery incident happen during some maintenance .Seems like Israel has struck multiple targets in Iran today.
several month ago there was a big fire in a major USA ship, you knew American are not known for their engineering excellence and procedureCould be just an accident, after all, it was a training ship. The ship was old and Iranian aren't known for their engineering excellence or procedure.
but i'm not angry, i don't get emotional about this as it is nothing new. In the past, years ago I used to get truly angry here, it does not get to me anymore.
I just believe Iraq is ruled by rats, whom should have been given a mass grave. This is without any emotion.
In the interest of Iraq and Lebanon, the "Iran-led axis", which are now a number of group that challenge the state needs dismantling. In Iraq, the largest PMU groups are disobeying Iran today, their funding comes straight from Iraq. Not that this means they're not an issue, given their leadership as mullah ball lickers.
Israel isn't challenged by this axis, they burn Lebanon whenever they want.
Tehran, Iran – One of Iran’s largest navy ships has sunk after catching fire near the Strait of Hormuz under unclear circumstances.
The Kharg, named after an island nearby that serves as a key oil terminal, caught fire in the early hours of Wednesday local time and more than 20 hours of rescue operations failed to save it, the army said.
An image taken late at night showed crew in life jackets running away with a fire raging behind them. Another image, taken in daytime, showed heavy smoke billowing to the sky and fire still burning.
Iran’s army also identified the Kharg as a “training ship” and confirmed there were almost 400 crew and trainees on board, before adding all of them were safely evacuated.
Translation: PR of the second maritime district of Jask has announced that after a fire broke out at the Kharg vessel and personnel were moved to the beach, the rescue operation for the training vessel failed after 20 hours of all-out work due to the spreading of the fire and the vessel rested in the Jask waters.
A local army official told the semi-official Tasnim news agency that 20 people suffered minor burns.
No reason was provided for the cause of the fire.
The vessel sank close to the port of Jask in the south of the country, near the Strait of Hormuz, a strategic waterway.
The vessel was built in Britain and launched shortly before Iran’s 1979 Revolution and entered the Iranian navy in 1984 after several years of negotiations.
The army official told Tasnim that much of its equipment had been overhauled by Iranian engineers in recent years.
It was capable of providing replenishment at sea to help other ships, could lift heavy cargo and also had launch and landing pads for helicopters.
The Kharg’s sinking marks the latest big naval incident for Iran in recent years.
Last year, a missile was mistakenly fired during a military training exercise at sea, killing 19 sailors and wounding 15 others.
An Iranian navy destroyer also sank in the Caspian Sea in 2018.
Once again, the guy was poking fun at Iran's warnings of revenge to Israel. It had nothing to do with Gaza. Gaza is an example of engagement by Palestinian Holy Hamas and is a product of Hamas culture and ideology, and nothing else.
I am not uncomfortable by the mention of Iran providing material support to Palestinians. I, however, will not allow that to be exaggerated or allow anyone to take credit for the effort, courage, work, money, blood and sweat of Holy Hamas.
You are uncomfortable about the fact that Gaza and it's pro-active resistance, is a product of Hamas. No other party of your resistance axis can replicate that.
Also you are wrong, Sudan, Egypt and Libya have contributed plenty to arming Gaza.
Iran does get credit for being a public and direct material supporter for Gaza factions, I don't deny that, but don't get carried away with that and exaggerate what this means. Or take credit for their military feats
All your factions in the Resistance axis are much better equipped than Hamas, and they watch on sideline every time Hamas leads the resistance against Israel. You should stop being discomforted by Hamas's role of leadership here.
There is no competition, only one faction is leading pro-active resistance against Israel, it is Hamas.
He is a poster boy for Iranian regime/IRGC. IRGC as a whole played a role. Not sure why you are trying to attribute this to one man. It's policy of Iranian state and gov't as a whole. I think you want to make him out to be some role model for Muslims. You are going to have trouble in that case after his involvement in Iraq/Syria. You are free to believe whatever you want about him, though.
Again, you are not well informed on the details. Some of weapons are Iranian, many aren't.
Some of funding to buy weapons is from Iran, much of it isn't.
Iran helps train Palestinians on improving rockets, and Palestinians build them in Gaza. There are plenty of Egyptian, Libyan, Russian, and Chinese weapons/equipment there.
This is not true, Egypt, Libya and Sudan had political will to make such weapons shipments to Gaza or turn blind eye to them. Egyptian military has a policy to turn blind eye to weapons smuggling into Gaza, whether you believe it or not. But, yes, I gave credit to Iran for being official sponsor and have no issues doing that.
No, he has involvement in Iraq/Syria/Lebanon but little involvement with Gaza. Especially this 'day to day' you speak of, which is nonsense. Gaza and all military resistance activities directed out of it are directed by holy Hamas.
Everyone here is well aware Iranian support doesn't come for free. And we saw what happened to Hamas after they renounced the Assad regime.
No it is not.
They abandoned pro-active resistance and more interested in doing Iran's bidding in region against other Muslims.
You are even advocating national defense policy here, which is very different from pro-active resistance and Jihad, or claiming to be Islamic Resistance Movement. Do you even what Hezbollah market themselves as??
That is one example of many examples of pro-active resistance by Hamas. You on other hand advocating ordinary national defense policy for Lebanon.
Hezbollah is not a pro-active resistance group anymore. It's policy is same as Lebanese army policy.
You must have been sleeping this whole time when Hezbollah tells the Muslim world it is a Jihadi group and Islamic Resistance Movement that will work towards liberating Palestine. These are not light responsibilities to declare for yourselves. If you cannot own up to it, you are not worthy to be associated with such titles or responsibilities.
This is not pro-active Resistance. And I even doubt this equation will be held up. No one buys it.
When you call Iran Islamic, then you are implying the opposite of that. Or when you say they oppose Zionist influence. It's more like they advocate eastern domination of region versus Western. That's what you mean about anti-Zionist influence. But, that is not what being anti-Jewish is. Eastern populations are just as doomed by Zionist cultural influence. If your people don't resist that culture, you are not anti-Zionist. Holy Hamas in Gaza is anti-Jewish culture and so are the people of Gaza. Palestinian population on average is more conservative than Iranian.
Lebanon is riddled with nightclubs, drug use, pre-marital relations, unlawful marriages(in Islam), drinking, etc.... Jewish influence has devastated Lebanese. None of this happens in Gaza ruled by Hamas.
In what way did it change the world? Changed nothing about Asia, Europe, US, Canada, Russia, etc.... It mostly brought about an Arab-Iranian rivalry which has hurt both Iranian and Arab peoples. Made them both poor and struggling.
If you consider weapons to be empowering, sure, but once again, weapons cannot produce culture or ideology needed to make use of weapons. This is why Iranian allies besides Hamas, are essentially paralyzed in the pro-active resistance struggle against Israel led by Hamas.
Israel has no interest in Lebanon, they consider Palestine to be their land.
Yep, so only if Israel suddenly invades pro-Resistance nations will we do anything. You are admitting that your factions are not resistance factions. Nor Islamic movements or Jihadi movements. Hamas is an Islamic Resistance movement and thus leading the resistance against Israel.
Btw, their special forces invaded Syria two nights ago and planted a bomb to blow up Hezbollah outposts in Syria. No one fired anything at them. This a state of being paralyzed.
Bro you are wasting your time with him!
Why?
What a random guy knows about rockets?
The answer is simple!
Nothing
Look at this picture:
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For God's sake why we need to develop a buried launch system like that when we can launch our ballistic missiles from our underground facilities with ease?
Because it's developed specifically for Gaza!
And it's only useful for the type of rockets Hamas currently have!
The other launch system:
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Developed for Fateh ballistic missile family!
Yeah we can use them for surprise attacks with our anti ship ballistic missiles against enemy ships in Persian gulf and gulf of Oman ... but!
They exactly developed that launch tubes for Hezbollah's Fateh ballistic missiles
This is why Israel dares not to touch Hezbollah and Lebanon anymore!
All the people with knowledge confirm, developing these things is not possible in Gaza because you need years of experience and R&D to design and develop something like that to be cheap and easy enough to make (and functional) in an isolated place like Gaza.
I don't say Palestinians are not able to develop science by themselves but let's be logical, you need to test that thing for real for multiple times and where?
In Gaza?
Is that possible under 24/7 reconnaissance check outs?
NO
So... i know there is no harm in discussion but in a logical atmosphere which is none existant here
Actually, they do.several month ago there was a big fire in a major USA ship, you knew American are not known for their engineering excellence and procedure
The largest warship in the Iranian navy caught fire and later sank Wednesday in the Gulf of Oman under unclear circumstances, the latest calamity to strike one of the country's vessels in recent years amid tensions with the West.
The blaze began around 2.25am local time and firefighters tried to contain it, the Fars news agency reported, but their efforts failed to save the 207-metre Kharg, which was used to resupply other ships in the fleet at sea and conduct training exercises.
State media reported 400 sailors and trainee cadets on board fled the vessel, with 33 suffering injuries.
The ship sank near the Iranian port of Jask, some 1270km southeast of Tehran on the Gulf of Oman near the Strait of Hormuz — the narrow mouth of the Persian Gulf. Satellite photos from Planet Labs Inc analysed by The Associated Press showed the Kharg off Jask with no sign of a fire as late as 11am Tuesday.
Photos circulated on Iranian social media of sailors wearing life jackets evacuating the vessel as a fire burned behind them. Fars published video of thick, black smoke rising from the ship early Wednesday morning. Satellites from the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration that track fires from space detected a blaze near Jask that started just before the time of the fire reported by Fars.
Iranian officials offered no cause for the fire aboard the Kharg, though they said an investigation had begun. It comes after a series of mysterious explosions that began in 2019 targeting commercial ships in the Gulf of Oman. The US Navy later accused
Iran of targeting the ships with limpet mines, timed explosives typically attached by divers to a vessel's hull.
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This undated photo provided by the Iranian army shows navy's support ship Kharg. (AP)
Iran denied that, though US Navy footage showed Revolutionary Guard members removing one unexploded limpet mine from a ship. The attacks came amid heightened tensions between the US and Iran after then-President Donald Trump unilaterally withdrew America from Tehran's nuclear deal with world powers. Negotiations on saving the accord continue in Vienna.
In April, an Iranian ship called the MV Saviz believed to be a Guard base and anchored for years in the Red Sea off Yemen was targeted in an attack suspected to have been carried out by Israel. It escalated a yearslong shadow war in the Mideast between the two countries, ranging from strikes in Syria, assaults on ships and attacks on Iran's nuclear program.
The Israeli prime minister's office did not respond to a request for comment Wednesday regarding the Kharg. Pentagon press secretary John Kirby said the US was aware of the loss of the ship, but declined to comment further.
State TV and semiofficial news agencies on Wednesday referred to the Kharg, named after the island that serves as the main oil terminal for Iran, as a "training ship." The vessel often hosted cadets from the Imam Khomeini Naval University on the Caspian Sea.
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This photo made available by Asriran.com on Wednesday, June 2, 2021 shows personnel standing on Irans navy support ship Kharg after being caught on fire in the Gulf of Oman. (AP)
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The Iranian navys Kharg support ship is seen in a satellite photograph by Planet Labs Inc. off the coast of Jask, Iran, Tuesday, June 1, 2021. (AP)
Like much of Iran's major military hardware, the Kharg dated back to before Iran's 1979 Islamic Revolution. The warship, built in Britain and launched in 1977, entered the Iranian navy in 1984 after lengthy negotiations.
That ageing military equipment has seen fatal accidents as recently as Tuesday, when a malfunction in the ejector seats of an Iranian F-5 dating back to before the revolution killed two pilots while the aircraft was parked in a hangar.
In recent months, the navy converted a slightly larger commercial tanker called the Makran to use it as a mobile launch platform for helicopters.
The Kharg also could launch helicopters on a smaller scale.
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This image made from a video released on Wednesday, June 2, 2021 by Asriran.com, shows smoke rising from Irans navy support ship Kharg in the Gulf of Oman. (AP)
But the newer vessel likely can't fill the role of the Kharg, which could handle both refuelling and replenishing supplies of ships at sea, said Mike Connell of the Centre for Naval Analysis, an Arlington, Virginia-based federally funded nonprofit that works for the US government.
The Kharg also was seaworthy enough to sail through the Suez Canal into the Mediterranean Sea and into South Asia in the past and could lift heavy cargo.
"For the regular Iranian navy, this vessel was very valuable because it gave them reach," Connell said.
"That allowed them to conduct operations far afield. They do have other logistics vessels, but the Kharg was kind of the most capable and the largest."
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The Kharg, the largest warship in the Iranian navy, caught fire and later sank Wednesday in the Gulf of Oman under unclear circumstances, semiofficial news agencies reported. (AP)
The sinking of the Kharg marks the latest naval disaster for Iran. In 2020, during an Iranian military training exercise, a missile mistakenly struck a naval vessel near Jask, killing 19 sailors and wounding 15. Also in 2018, an Iranian navy destroyer sank in the Caspian Sea.
Iran's largest warship sinks after catching fire
www.9news.com.au
Seems Zionists have penetrated deep inside Iranian military establishmentWhat the heck is going on in Iran?? As if everything there is up for getting burnt down!!! As far as I can remember the fire worshippers are long gone from Iran...
several month ago there was a big fire in a major USA ship, you knew American are not known for their engineering excellence and procedure
So what can i say ...
The larger the ship . the harder to sank it. And kharg was evacuated and had no crew in those 20 years . more importantly that usa ship was built as a military ship while kharg was basically an old 45 year old tanker.You mean the ship that was burning for days and with hardly any crew onboard and still floating compared to your ship that burned for 20 hours and sank with 400 crewmembers onboard?
But their ship got fire while in dockActually, they do.