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Bangladesh’s Sonadia Port Dilemma: Is the US Navy the Answer?

2) US presence there is both against and for India/China with a weak BD being played as a pawn in that game. USA wants a China presence in the Bay only to finger point it to India that the latter cannot probably cope with the power of PLAN alone. But, which country to get the maximum benefit out of a three power game? I think, it is BD itself with no cost to bear by itself.

Why is it common delusion among Bangladeshi that Indian Navy is weaker than PLAN, that too in Indian ocean?

Why they regularly forget that India has two aircraft carriers compared to one of China, and that too without an Air wing, or the fact that Qualitatively, India's Kolkata class stealth destroyers ( each costing more than $1Billion ) or Shivalik class Frigates are better than anything China could field.

And above all, hoe could they imagine that a Chinese Ship could sail into Bay of Bengal on it's own steam?

And How could they forget that India controls choke point of Malacca Strait thus forcing any fleet to Circumnavigate Indonesia and/or Australia to get to Indian ocean?


PS: write-up is not directed at you personally.

The external threats are on rise, nobody has any clue about Myanmar's nuclear program, some even saying they will have full access to nukes by 2019. And then the pain called India is always there.

No one including "the Pain" India would allow Myanmar to get Nukes.
 
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Why is it common delusion among Bangladeshi that Indian Navy is weaker than PLAN, that too in Indian ocean?

Why they regularly forget that India has two aircraft carriers compared to one of China, and that too without an Air wing, or the fact that Qualitatively, India's Kolkata class stealth destroyers ( each costing more than $1Billion ) or Shivalik class Frigates are better than anything China could field.

And above all, hoe could they imagine that a Chinese Ship could sail into Bay of Bengal on it's own steam?

And How could they forget that India controls choke point of Malacca Strait thus forcing any fleet to Circumnavigate Indonesia and/or Australia to get to Indian ocean?


PS: write-up is not directed at you personally.



No one including "the Pain" India would allow Myanmar to get Nukes.

Dude, talk about the destroyers when they are fielded rather than before.

If we want to talk about what is planned by 2020, let us talk about destroyers and aircraft carriers planned to be in service by 2020.

India will have two around 40,000 tonne carriers while China will have around 3 70-80,000 tonne carriers. China wins in numbers and also size.

India will have 7 Kolkata class destroyers while China will have 6 Type 052C, 12 Type-052D and anything from 4-6 Type-055. Each Type-055 should be around as powerful as two of the Kolkata class destroyers and so China wins again massively.

Please can Indians understand that China from start of next decade can send a formidable fleet into the Indian Ocean and the Indians can do nothing but whine.
 
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I expected a neutral opinion!

Neutral opinion is that USA would never seek a base in Bangladesh while China could.

Think from perspective of US. It has a perfectly good base in Diego Garcia and it could control both Northern and Southern part of Indian ocean from there. If it bases it's carrier group in Bangladesh, it won't be able to police Southern Indian ocean.
 
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India will have two around 40,000 tonne carriers while China will have around 3 70-80,000 tonne carriers. China wins in numbers and also size.
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Classical Chinese boot licker.

80,000 tonnes, How? 3 Carriers how? Currently they have a 50,000 tonne carrier and is a STOBAR .

How would China would zero Aircraft building experience could build 3 Aircraft carriers in 6 years when USA need 5 years to finish a single carrier.


Dude, talk about the destroyers when they are fielded rather than before.

Induction of Kolkata class has began.

Largest Naval warship INS Kolkata inducted, Narendra Modi says military might best deterrent

Type-055 should be around as powerful as two of the Kolkata class destroyers and so China wins again massively.

Why?

Because you have wet dream regarding that.


Please can Indians understand that China from start of next decade can send a formidable fleet into the Indian Ocean and the Indians can do nothing but whine.

Ships require fuel and unless the are Nuclear, their range is limited.

That is a reason that Navies require foreign bases.
 
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Neutral opinion is that USA would never seek a base in Bangladesh while China could.

Think from perspective of US. It has a perfectly good base in Diego Garcia and it could control both Northern and Southern part of Indian ocean from there. If it bases it's carrier group in Bangladesh, it won't be able to police Southern Indian ocean.

However, a US base or even a kind of port/berthing facility for the US navy in the BD shore will be needed to safeguard IN boats from being annihilated by the formidable PLAN. Note an US naval presence is inevitable because the US oil bigs have concessions in the BoB. Moreover, US policy is not to leave BD at the mercy of a stronger India. This is why it said, the Bay of Bengal belongs to Bangladesh.
 
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By 2100 AD, there is going to 3.3 - 4 billion Muslim population out of a total of 10 billion global population. It is natural that Muslim nations should seek unity and a team of their own, so this team collectively can become a significant pole in the future multi-polar world.

Even today muslims are about 20-25% of world population. Why it is not obvious to seek unity now? Why this team is not a significant pole in the world?

The reason is quite simple. Its the money which talks....Middle east has money and hence they are in alliance with the west and dont give a shit about poorer muslim countries.
 
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1) You are talking only to promote Indian interest in mind. I think, power play anywhere in the world is all like an Othello game. Here in the BoB, I can see the USA, China, India and BD all are playing this game and outdo others.

India and USA is there for long enough.PLAN has almost no presence in this region.only presence of their is some visits of their Subs,which is quite normal.I'd not bring BD into picture as then I'd have to bring Myanmar as well.both of these have very little force to project.

2) US presence there is both against and for India/China with a weak BD being played as a pawn in that game. USA wants a China presence in the Bay only to finger point it to India that the latter cannot probably cope with the power of PLAN alone. But, which country to get the maximum benefit out of a three power game? I think, it is BD itself with no cost to bear by itself.

you mean they want to give China a base just to point finger at India that it can't do anything about it??bloody hell.how could a country could force another country from providing a base to a third country except making some protests and pulling some strings??you're sovereign,right??second,China don't want a base in IOR right now.I read about some Chinese Diplomat's comment.what he pointed out is.....

1.PLAN don't have enough resources to open an offshore base.(in his opinion)
2.its is against their present interest.
3.none of the possible providers of offshore base has decent power to protect Chinese Hardware.so,it'd be easier to destroy in case of any war breaks out.
4.3rd points also mean that every now and then,when situation will not seem right,they'll have to pull their entire force out from that bases,which will not fulfill any objective.
5.an offshore base will intimidate China's neighbours to get their own offshore bases around China(like Mongolia offered a base to India,which India denied).

I'll dug it out,soon.

3) USA may also be using the naval buildup by India in its east coast by hinting at China that a limited US presence is needed to avoid a naval show down in the Bay, because this will secure China's sea route through Indian Ocean and Malakka Strait.

nope.USA is leaving their bases around BOB and concentrating more on and around SCS and Malacca Strait.they have sizable force in Singapore to secure Malacca,has base in COCOS Island to monitor both portions of Malacca and Pacific.they're putting bases around First Island Chain.you should study more about US deployment and bases.
4) Who knows, China also welcomes a limited US presence in the Bay, because then it can avoid a possible showdown with the IN's growing naval movement.

LOL.PLAN isn't foolish enough to support putting a base right next door.they know this base will eventually going to be used against them.USN will use it to monitor their activity in Myanmar as well as Chinese Border.its like performing Hara Kiri.

5) BD's international sea routes will be more secured with the presence of both PLAN and US Navy.

their International Sea routes are secured enough.nobody attacks anybody in International Sea unless you're in War.if BD is in a State of War with India,IN has enough power to decimate entire BN within few hours and make its port unnavigable.we did it in the past,remember??

6) By the way, have people noticed a news that the Philip Conoco (?) of the USA has discovered natural gas in its two blocks in the Bay? It is between 5 to 7 trillion cft of gas reserve. So, US presence there is inevitable whatever may be the arrangement with BD.

LOL..you mean Private Gas and Oil company represents USN now?? :rofl:
 
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However, a US base or even a kind of port/berthing facility for the US navy in the BD shore will be needed to safeguard IN boats from being annihilated by the formidable PLAN. Note an US naval presence is inevitable because the US oil bigs have concessions in the BoB. Moreover, US policy is not to leave BD at the mercy of a stronger India. This is why it said, the Bay of Bengal belongs to Bangladesh.

Again this bogey of Formidable PLAN.

Chinese Navy is shittiest of their three services with majority of investment in SSBN's and coastal batteries.

Currently, it is inferior compared to Indian Navy and given the fact that US wants Indian Navy to grow strong as indicated by US's offering of exotic new tech like EMALs to India, it will remain so in future.
 
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Again this bogey of Formidable PLAN.

Chinese Navy is shittiest of their three services with majority of investment in SSBN's and coastal batteries.

Currently, it is inferior compared to Indian Navy and given the fact that US wants Indian Navy to grow strong as indicated by US's offering of exotic new tech like EMALs to India, it will remain so in future.

What does IN Navy have that can go head to head against 5 Type-052C and 1 Type-052D destoyers ?

Please don't say the 1 one inducted Kolkata class destroyer whose missiles are not even fitted yet!

You are making yourself look very foolish here.
 
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What does IN Navy have that can go head to head against 5 Type-052C and 1 Type-052D destoyers ?

Please don't say the 1 one inducted Kolkata class destroyer whose missiles are not even fitted yet!

You are making yourself look very foolish here.


1 Kolkata class ( it has Barak 1 missile, Barak 8 would be fitted by Year's end )

3 Delhi class

5 Rajput class.

+ China has 0 stealth destroyers. and has 0 working Aircraft carriers.
 
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@anonymus

leave that guy alone.he has little knowledge about either War Scenarios or how War generally gets fought.
 
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1 Kolkata class ( it has Barak 1 missile, Barak 8 would be fitted by Year's end )

3 Delhi class

5 Rajput class.

+ China has 0 stealth destroyers. and has 0 working Aircraft carriers.

Dude, you used the word currently and currently Kolkata class has only short range SAMs and vulnerable to air and missile attack. By the time the first ship of the class gets the medium range SAM fitted, 1 More Type-052C and 1 more Type-052D would be in service.

Rajput class are crap as they do not have modern radar and SAM systems capable of attacking multiple targets far away from beyond visual range.

Delhi class are better as they have a version of the BUK missile but slightly outclassed by the 8 older destroyers that China has, which have many more Russia medium range SAMs carried.

Current aircraft carrier in service of IN is crap and the larger one is still not able to deploy its air group.

Now explain how Indian Navy currently outclasses the PLAN?
 
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What does IN Navy have that can go head to head against 5 Type-052C and 1 Type-052D destoyers ?

Please don't say the 1 one inducted Kolkata class destroyer whose missiles are not even fitted yet!

You are making yourself look very foolish here.

may I say something......

first,this is not even a Indo-China war related thread.but then again,did you even ask yourselves how PLAN would keep themselves safe against IN+IAF??they didn't make a carrier yet,nor their Carrier going to be over 65000 tons.they'll use STOBAR in first of their carrier(and that means no AWACS).they're going to need atleast 40-50 surface combatants,and this force going to need a fleet of dozens of fleet support vessels for food,water and oil.ever considered how many aircrafts is going to be needed to protect this fleet??and do PLAN have so many carriers to protect them round o'clock??

don't make castle on thin air buddy.
 
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may I say something......

first,this is not even a Indo-China war related thread.but then again,did you even ask yourselves how PLAN would keep themselves safe against IN+IAF??they didn't make a carrier yet,nor their Carrier going to be over 65000 tons.they'll use STOBAR in first of their carrier(and that means no AWACS).they're going to need atleast 40-50 surface combatants,and this force going to need a fleet of dozens of fleet support vessels for food,water and oil.ever considered how many aircrafts is going to be needed to protect this fleet??and do PLAN have so many carriers to protect them round o'clock??

don't make castle on thin air buddy.

Indian airbases can be severely affected by the use of thousands of cruise and ballistic missiles.

IAF will be fighting to save its aircraft from being destroyed and runways being cratered.
 
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Indian airbases can be severely affected by the use of thousands of cruise and ballistic missiles.

IAF will be fighting to save its aircraft from being destroyed and runways being cratered.

so,you're talking about Nuclear War.India will be attacked with ICBMs,Cruise Missiles and all.dude,one missile from China and whole world jump on it.forget about India,its 3rd World War Situation.

Hell,thats what happens when you play too much Rise of Nations using cheats.
 
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