Bangladesh Military Thread

[bd_4_ever]

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1. Yah, I was little biased.

2. It’s true that BA will do the main battle and we know that. But I said that because: it seems to me that our neighbors will not ever attack us vigorously, but they will always try to capture our little areas whenever they will get any chance and kill 2 or 5 people in every week and in those cases there is no role for BA but for BDR. So what are the solutions for those frequent little offences by BSF?

3. And I heard that BSF often makes bunkers in the opposite side and their monitoring towers are in higher altitude (like in Sylhet) than ours, that's why I said about UAV just for monitor sometimes if necessary.

4. Come on! Days are changing, so if it's necessary and time requires then we shall familiarized and become experienced with other new technologies again if we believe that we are dynamic. Today Burma is using MIG and who knows tomorrow they will use MIG. If they will procure new jets then in future ultimately we will also have to procure and adapt new technologies.





*I want well relationship with Burma for the future betterment of Bangladesh.

I will reply according to your points:-

1. Appreciated that you agreed.

2. You mentioned about countries not attacking us by tanks and planes but by taking away our lands. Dude, your conception (as u highlighted "it seems to you") that no other country will attack us by force needs to be corrected. When you have neighbours like an isolated Burma, ruled by millitary....i would be bound to think twice before saying that. Yes, our people around the border are being killed and you know whose fault it is apart from the BSFs? Our political leaders, policy makers and some creepy heads of forces.
You asked for the solutions....well improvement of BDR with new guns, SMGs, LAVs will not give you a penny benefit if "THEY ARE NOT USED". Given the current situation, BDR must first be given the authority to shoot at sight if any mishaps occur. They should use that Ak-47 or whatever they have in their hand to deal with that first, then comes the matter of their improvement. Off course you wont want the new equipments to stay in the inventory for ever.

3. There are other ways to solve the problem of monitoring, if that is what you are concerned with. We can also build higher outposts and build bunkers on our side, and economically speaking you can afford like 50-60 more of them with the money of a single UAV, just for the sake of monitoring. Moreover, a force where a mutiny has taken place, i dont think policy makers will agree to provide them with those high-tech equipments, let alone a UAV.

4. I am sure our decision makers have that in mind. For the time being we need to increase our numbers and so i believe MIG is ok, given that we get a different variant like SMT. It is probably to deal with current shortage and uncertainties and i think, we may have a long term plan as well. Hasina is unpredictable you know, i wont be suprised if she get 4 B-2 bombers during the last year of her present term.

*Well, i may sound odd but Bangladesh is far better off even with the absence of any relation with Burma.

Cheers!!!

 

[Al-zakir]

One advice:

Do not troll here,you will last longer.

No one's feeling jealous of us for some handful of Migs.

And as for Jf-17,if we can use F-7,A-5,chinese frigates,Chinese tanks...then why not Jf-17 or FC-1?Jf-17 is also a Chinese product,remember that.

And before calling Jf-17 junk,please take a look at our old and nearly obsolete F-7 MBs.

LOL, Who cares you? Neither India nor PK has any time for your tiny unlucky BD. It must be pathetic for you if you think that you so important but in reality you are not. BD has just a big market and population, nothing else. Mind it, you can not produce even a car, so stop you big mouth.

Good answer to this ignorant pathetic troll. I feel sorry for this kind of fool that make foolish remark. Feel like to slap the hell out of them looser.

We are at least 50 years behind from Pakistan and Bharat in military technology...........

 

[bd_4_ever]

Reposting to keep the thread updated:

PM reveals plans to modernise Navy
Govt to buy submarine, missile, frigate

Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina Sunday revealed the government's mega plan for building Bangladesh Navy as a deterrent and three-dimensional force by incorporating submarines, helicopters, missiles, new frigates and other necessary modern equipment and vessels, reports UNB.

Addressing the officers and sailors at Naval Headquarters, the Prime Minister said soon, two more frigates will be included to Bangladesh Navy fleet.

Sheikh Hasina said during her recent China visit, she had requested the Chinese government to provide Bangladesh Naval Force with two newly-constructed frigates including helicopters, and the Chinese government gave consent in this regard.

Besides, naval ship Bangabandhu, decommissioned during the last BNP-Jamaat government on political ground, will be made fully operational again, she said.

The Prime Minister further disclosed that agreement signing has already been completed to buy two helicopters and missiles, while the process for collecting two offshore petrol vessels from the United Kingdom is at the last stage.

Moreover, work is also proceeding to collect a Hydrographic Survey Vessel from the UK, and process is ongoing in China to equip two Large Patrol Crafts with missiles, Hasina added.

PM reveals plans to modernise Navy

Bro, there is another news you left out....along with equiping two petrol crafts with missiles and selling us two F-22s......China will be "building" a Large Petrol Craft with two missiles....here's the link....

Associated Press Of Pakistan ( Pakistan's Premier NEWS Agency ) - China set to build for Bangladesh large patrol craft with modern missiles

 

[bd_4_ever]

THREAD UPDATE


The Chinese PLZ-45 were ordered about a year ago and is expected to be completely delivered by 2011. A "BATTALION" of PLZ-45 were ordered but the exact number was unknown....

However, the number is strongly expected to be at least 40....heres the link:-

The PLA PLZ45 Self Propelled Gun


Cheers!!!

 

[leonblack08]

^^^^^

Thanks for those links bro.

 

[zeeshe100]

Nice.................

 

[bd_4_ever]

This video is about Multinational Exercise "Ferocious Falcon" that took place in Qatar in 2008. A bit old, still posting it.....enjoy!!!

 

[eastwatch]

This video is about Multinational Exercise "Ferocious Falcon" that took place in Qatar in 2008. A bit old, still posting it.....enjoy!!!

YouTube - Bangladesh Navy Multinational Exercise Ferocious Falcon

It was so nice of you that you have posted such a document for all of us to see. Thanks.

BD Navy seems to be enlarging with massive purchases from abroad. You or someone else proposed somewhere to spend more than $1 billion every year to modernize our navy. I think the govt understands its necessity. Think of just a gas field with only a trillion cft of gas. If the unit price is only $5 per 1000 cft, the value of this gas reserve is $5 billion.

Usually a gas field contains many times more gas than only 1 trillion cft. Now, BD has two options. One is to spend less on defence, and our big DADA steals away our $5 to $50 billion worth of gas. The other is we spend $1 billion each year for the next 20 years or so and save our trillion dollar total resources that lie in the Bay of Bengal.

 

[bd_4_ever]

It was so nice of you that you have posted such a document for all of us to see. Thanks.

BD Navy seems to be enlarging with massive purchases from abroad. You or someone else proposed somewhere to spend more than $1 billion every year to modernize our navy. I think the govt understands its necessity. Think of just a gas field with only a trillion cft of gas. If the unit price is only $5 per 1000 cft, the value of this gas reserve is $5 billion.

Usually a gas field contains many times more gas than only 1 trillion cft. Now, BD has two options. One is to spend less on defence, and our big DADA steals away our $5 to $50 billion worth of gas. The other is we spend $1 billion each year for the next 20 years or so and save our trillion dollar total resources that lie in the Bay of Bengal.

Thank you very much for your appreciation....I am just doing my work

Yes, we are gone a long way to achieve the plan that the government has chalked out when it came to power....a lot has been achieved in the first year and hopefully others will be accomplished soon....if i recall properly, the things now left to do is get 4 new missile boats, some corvettes, buy 3 more frigates to replace the old ones (this has been confirmed somewhere else as well; and i will say rather then replacing, keeping all of them for numeric advantage) and complete building of patrol vessels in the Khulna Shipyard, we are around just 12-13 ships short to reach the 100 milestone!!!....if you all check the plan, you can notice that the government has been correctly following it and thats a good sign....

There are no other alternatives to protect our natural resources in the BoB than to build the navy....and the way we are having training & exercises home and abroad, i am sure BN will turn out to be a strong deterrent force soon......then no DADA-giri are gonna work....


Cheers!!!

 

[bd_4_ever]

Btw, i came over a news in a Chinese Daily saying that our Navy will be getting a Hydrological Tracking Ship by this june....and the maintenance and improvement work work of two of our petrol vessel have started in the UK....

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Bangladesh Navy procurement of two frigates from China increased combat effectiveness


LONDON June 23, according to Russian analysis of the world arms trade center site reported on June 21, Reuters quoted a source in Bangladesh Ministry of National Defense as saying, Bangladesh Navy plans to expand China's national defense cooperation within the framework of the activities of two frigates, making it the Navy frigate equipped to seven the total number of the relevant supply agreement was reached in March this year.

Bangladesh, local media pointed out that the procurement of Chinese frigate will be able to enhance the fighting strength of Bangladesh navy to protect marine resources on the protection of the Bay of Bengal. Myanmar began in 2008 and Bangladesh in the areas of territorial dispute (San Martin Island, 50 nautical miles southwest of) the Continental Shelf oil and gas exploration in Bangladesh immediately deploy naval forces to the disputed area, stop exploration in Myanmar and the Chinese leadership expressed concern about the post-conflict situations, Bangladesh to withdraw its own warships.

It is reported that, in addition to procurement of two frigates from China, the Bangladesh Navy will receive three active duty from the British warships, including an offshore hydrographic launch "Roebuck" and No. 2, "Castle" class coastal patrol boats, including hydrological tracking ship will be delivered in June this year, Bangladesh Navy, two patrol boats of the maintenance and improvement work has been started in the UK.

Bangladesh Navy currently serving the latest and most advanced surface warship in South Korea made a "Ulsan" class "Bangabandhu" frigate, commissioned in 2001, its full load displacement of about 3,500 tons, Use CODOD all diesel engine, dual-axis to promote a maximum speed of 28 knots, the main weapon is a 76mm gun, 8 "automat" anti-ship missiles, two sets of MK32 torpedo tube and an anti-submarine helicopters. In addition, the Bangladesh Navy was also equipped with Chinese-made Type 053 frigate "Ottoman" (1989 delivery) and delivery of two Royal Navy Type 41 "Leopard" class frigate and a 61 escort. (Compiled: Shu-shan)


Bangladesh Navy procurement of two frigates from China increased combat effectiveness -- China daily

 

[bd_4_ever]

As of April, 2010 the rapid modernization effort of BN involves order of:- notice the ones in red highlight have already been completed or confirmed to be achieved....links regarding it have been posted before as well in other threads....

1. 2x F-22B guided missile frigate (China)

2. 2x large patrol craft/missile corvette (China)

3. 2x Castle class patrol vessel (UK - refurbished)

4. 2x Hydrographic Survey ship (1 ex-RN + 1 Indigenous) --- 1 has been bought, 1 left to be produced locally...

5. 1x Fleet Replenishment Oil Tanker - Indigenous

6. 2x LCU -Indigenous

7. 1x Salvage ship -Indigenous

8. 2x AgustaWestland AW109 SAR helicopter (UK)

9. 12x Patrol boats -Indigenous

10. 3x Harbin Z-9C Anti-Submarine helicopter (China) --- this is to come with the two F-22s....

11. 16(Delivered), 5(On Order)x Defender Class rapid response special force boats (USA)

12. C-802 ASM missiles for 3 frigate and 4 missile boats (China)

13. Otomat blk IV for BNS Bangabandhu (EU)

14. FM-90 SAM for 3 frigates (China).

I am trying to find links for the ships that are to be produced locally, please contribute if other members find any....


These are the ones that are being discussed:-

1. 3x guided missile frigates in addition to the couple ordered from China

2. 2x King Air MPA (USA)

3. New generation of light and heavy Torpedoes (EU + China)

4. 4x guided missile corvette (Turkey - Milgem)

5. 3x Submarine (Turkey / Germany / South Korea)

Bangladesh Navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


^^^ It clearly shows that the plan chalked out is being followed and i hope all the targets will be accomplished....


Cheers!!!

 

[TopCat]

As of April, 2010 the rapid modernization effort of BN involves order of:- notice the ones in red highlight have already been completed or confirmed to be achieved....links regarding it have been posted before as well in other threads....

1. 2x F-22B guided missile frigate (China)

2. 2x large patrol craft/missile corvette (China)

3. 2x Castle class patrol vessel (UK - refurbished)

4. 2x Hydrographic Survey ship (1 ex-RN + 1 Indigenous) --- 1 has been bought, 1 left to be produced locally...

5. 1x Fleet Replenishment Oil Tanker - Indigenous

6. 2x LCU -Indigenous

7. 1x Salvage ship -Indigenous

8. 2x AgustaWestland AW109 SAR helicopter (UK)

9. 12x Patrol boats -Indigenous

10. 3x Harbin Z-9C Anti-Submarine helicopter (China) --- this is to come with the two F-22s....

11. 16(Delivered), 5(On Order)x Defender Class rapid response special force boats (USA)

12. C-802 ASM missiles for 3 frigate and 4 missile boats (China)

13. Otomat blk IV for BNS Bangabandhu (EU)

14. FM-90 SAM for 3 frigates (China).

I am trying to find links for the ships that are to be produced locally, please contribute if other members find any....


These are the ones that are being discussed:-

1. 3x guided missile frigates in addition to the couple ordered from China

2. 2x King Air MPA (USA)

3. New generation of light and heavy Torpedoes (EU + China)

4. 4x guided missile corvette (Turkey - Milgem)

5. 3x Submarine (Turkey / Germany / South Korea)

Bangladesh Navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


^^^ It clearly shows that the plan chalked out is being followed and i hope all the targets will be accomplished....


Cheers!!!

We need some very good birds in the sky to protect our navy to become some sitting ducks in BOB. Migs and Sukuis are sitting right across the border...

 

[eastwatch]

Thank you very much for your appreciation....I am just doing my work

Yes, the things now left to do is get 4 new missile boats, some corvettes, buy 3 more frigates to replace the old ones (this has been confirmed somewhere else as well; and i will say rather then replacing, keeping all of them for numeric advantage)

My gutt feeling is that BD is not going to send 3 old frigates to the scrap yards. Think of the two units of OLD Falkland corvettes that BD has already purchased from England and which are now being refurbished with new equipments at a British shipyard. When BD is even buying old ships from abroad, isn't it very unusual that it scraps its own old frigates?

I think, purpose of this advance scrapping declaration is just to offguard pressure from the big DADA. DADA does not want a strong military in its east. This is the main purpose that they helped us in 1971.

 

[bd_4_ever]

We need some very good birds in the sky to protect our navy to become some sitting ducks in BOB. Migs and Sukuis are sitting right across the border...

Its not that out boats cannot shoot down birds, as a matter of fact....but yes i understand your point....

Well, we all know that a forward air base is being built in Chittagong, could be one of the reason to support the navy from the air......and moreover, if the recent news of procurement of 14 more Migs are true, i suggest to station them in that particular air base....would be a good strategic decision.....

But still we need to wait, lets see what the government comes up with....unlike the development of navy, they have not been very vocal about the air force....


Cheers!!!

 

[bd_4_ever]

My gutt feeling is that BD is not going to send 3 old frigates to the scrap yards. Think of the two units of OLD Falkland corvettes that BD has already purchased from England and which are now being refurbished with new equipments at a British shipyard. When BD is even buying old ships from abroad, isn't it very unusual that it scraps its own old frigates?

I think, purpose of this advance scrapping declaration is just to offguard pressure from the big DADA. DADA does not want a strong military in its east. This is the main purpose that they helped us in 1971.

Well, i do share the same thinking....BN will probably not scrap the old frigates as because, it will give them a numeric advantage and they are still serving their purpose well....and with modernization and fitting of new missiles and equipments, i think they will be good for the offshore defence, whereas the new frigates can work more deeper....

If they reach a decision about getting 3 more frigates, we need to see what type will that be and hence commenting on it will be more easier....


Cheers!!!