Azerbaijan more important for Israel than France

[Zabaniyah]

Beast from the East

 

[PteX]

I hope everybody reads so they can see how divorced from reality you are. But I'm not surprised, I have yet to meet an Israeli who doesn't think Gentiles aren't always secretly planning on their next plan to destroy the Chosen People.

There are no conspiracy theories, just hard facts. I understand that people like you live in a different reality of their own, which is fine by me.

 

[twilight]

Azerbaijan more important for Israel than France

.... and only naive people would believe this !!!

 

[PteX]

You really have nothing better to do with your time, do you?
Too bad most of the world thinks of you as Turkic people then.

 

[Armstrong]

@ Tabriz : Remove that picture with a derogatory caption for both Jews and Kamal Ataturk ! We on this forum are neither racist nor despicable enough to trash talk the Father of any Nation.

 

[DarkPrince]

this thread is about azerbijan israel relations r8???

so why u guys ****ing with ur racist non sense

 

[Ottoman-Turk]

Azerbaijan is a very natural ally, they are a secular Muslim nation. We share common interests, antisemitism is persecuted in Azerbaijan and crushed, 10000 Jews live there freely and do not have to stomp on the Jewish flag on their way to classes like in Iran.

Ptex let me say something , if Turkey really wants , believe me we can quickly make your relationship bad , because 95% of turks ( in the land called azerbaycan today ) , are like one , infact when our prime minister ( who i hate ) tried to make relations with armenia better those things , the people made such protest , lobbying , all the parties everyone that they couldnt move forward because they would lose massive votes , they would be hated so they had to say we would only move when armenia moves from karabagh and gives it back , now we are making a very sucessful blockade to armenia who is isolated very badly . There is 100s of songs , about us , One nation two states who was said before by presidents by everyone , Eurosong contest they brang the turkish flag with them . So if you carry on backing and training PKK ( its already known about PJAK) but then be careful not to get surronded with enemies and you can be allies with greece and little cyprus who are bankrupt so good luck.

THOUSANDSS TOGETHER

 

[Tabriz Azari]

@ Tabriz : Remove that picture with a derogatory caption for both Jews and Kamal Ataturk ! We on this forum are neither racist nor despicable enough to trash talk the Father of any Nation.

1. The fact that "Ataturk" (a/k/a Mustafa Kemal) was Jewish is reported in the mainstream press - Please see quote:

WHEN KEMAL ATATURK RECITED SHEMA YISRAEL

"It's My Secret Prayer, Too," He Confessed

By Hillel Halkin

ZICHRON YAAKOV - There were two questions I wanted to ask, I said over the phone to Batya Keinan, spokeswoman for Israeli president Ezer Weizman, who was about to leave the next day, Monday, Jan. 24, on the first visit ever made to Turkey by a Jewish chief of state. One was whether Mr. Weizman would be taking part in an official ceremony commemorating Kemal Ataturk.

Ms. Keinan checked the president's itinerary, according to which he and his wife would lay a wreath on Ataturk's grave the morning of their arrival, and asked what my second question was.

"Does President Weizman know that Ataturk had Jewish ancestors and was taught Hebrew prayers as a boy?"

"Of course, of course," she answered as unsurprisedly as if I had inquired whether the president was aware that Ataturk was Turkey's national hero.

2. The fact that there are Jewish people that do not openly admit their ancestory is also a fact (See, Crypto-Judaism.)

Cited in Wikipedia: Crypto-Judaism is the secret adherence to Judaism while publicly professing to be of another faith; practitioners are referred to as "crypto-Jews" (origin from Greek kryptos - κρυπτός, 'hidden'). The term crypto-Jew is also used to describe descendants who maintain some Jewish traditions of their ancestors, often secretly, while publicly adhering to other faiths, most commonly Catholicism.[1][2][3][4][5]

3. The fact that leaders of the "Young Turks" movement were persons of Jewish origin is also a well-documented fact as in the case of Emmanuel Carasso.[1]

Emmanuel Carasso or Emanuel Karasu (Salonica, 1862 - Trieste 1934) was a lawyer and a member of the prominent Sephardic Jewish Carasso family of Ottoman Salonica (now Thessaloniki, Greece). He was a prominent member of the Young Turks. The name is also spelled Karaso, Karassu, and Karasso. The form Karasu is a Turkification of his name, meaning literally 'black water'.

4. The fact that many mainstream publications quote Ataturk as to his Jewish origins are also a part of the historical record:

Early publications about Kemal always make mention of it. For example, the very first serious work on the First World War – the landmark work History of the War by the renowned British daily The Times, published in 22 parts during 1915-1922 – did not circumvent that fact. It states in particular: “Mustafa Kemal, reported by some to be of Salonika Jewish descent, only joined the Nationalist movement openly in June, 1919”.2 Another well-known Western publication, the American Literary Digest, describes Mustafa Kemal in 1922 as “[a] Spanish Jew by ancestry, an orthodox Moslem by birth and breeding”.3

"The Associated Press news agency, citing the Grand Vizier of Turkey, mentions in an item of the 3rd of July, 1920: “Mustafa Kemal, (the Turkish nationalist leader) whom the great vizier presents as a Jew, was born a Turk and his parents were from Saloniki and were Deonmes, that is converts, as were the parents of Talat4 and Djavid”.5"

Let's recap:

Firstly, I did not say "Jews are bad" - I merely noted that there exist scholarly publication, including ones quoting Ataturk himself, as to his Jewish origins.

Secondly, and more importantly, I am an Iranian-Azari (we are not Turks). I suggest that you not insult us, particularly given that this is my ethnic group and we do not want to be, nor are we, associated with "Ataturk" (a Crypto-Jew by the name of Mustafa Kemal). I suggest you refer to scholarly works instead of the drivel of paid Israeli bloggers:

"Pahlavi (Fahlavi) was a dialect which kings spoke in their assemblies and it is related to Fahleh. This name is used to designate five cities of Iran, Esfahan, Rey, Hamadan, Man Nahavand, and Azerbaijan." (Mehdi Marashi, Mohammad Ali Jazayery, Persian Studies in North America: Studies in Honor of Mohammad Ali Jazayery, Ibex Publishers, Inc, 1994. pg 255)

"In the beginning of the 5th/11th century the G̲h̲uzz hordes, first in smaller parties, and then in considerable numbers, under the Seljuqids occupied Azarbaijan. In consequence, the Iranian population of Azarbaijan and the adjacent parts of Transcaucasia became Turkophone." Minorsky, V.; Minorsky, V. "( Azarbaijan) ." Encyclopaedia of Islam. Edited by: P. Bearman, Th. Bianquis, C.E. Bosworth, E. van Donzel and W.P. Heinrichs. Brill.

"According to the most widely accepted etymology, the name "Azerbaijan" is derived from Atropates, the name of a Persian satrap of the late fourth century B.C." Professor. Tadeusz Swietochowski, Azerbaijan:Historical Background Vol. 3, Colliers Encyclopedia CD-ROM, 02-28-1996.

Thirdly, it is an insult to Real Ethnic Turks to pretend that Mustafa-Kemal (Ataturk) is a Turk. You need to educate yourself about who Real Ethnic Turks are, so you don't go around insulting them either by claiming that a guy who calls himself "Ataturk" is somehow related to them. These are Real Turks in the photo:

Fourthly, Iranian-Azaris do not hire Israelis to show up on this blog or any other and give false narratives on our behalf. We speak for ourselves. And if anyone that cannot see we are Iranians needs to pay a visit to their eye-doctor.

Thank you for your kind attention to the truth.

 

[Alpery]

using "Tabriz Azari" username dont makes anyone azeri or turk, but makes him liar..as said about Ataturk and Jews

 

[Ottoman-Turk]

zakii its absolutely disgusting to see tabriz azari not getting banned while he said the most racist things seen on this forum , while we say nothing racist it becomes an insult

using "Tabriz Azari" username dont makes anyone azeri or turk, but makes him liar..as said about Ataturks and jews

Brother either hes asimiliated very badly by persians or hes just faking his name , but lets just look at turks in azerbaycan today , we are ONE NATION TWO STATE , extremely close .

this is to tabriz azari , you say you are azari , ok what did your persians friends do to help your azari brothers against armenia ?? now turkey is blockading them very badly what are you doing?

 

[Tabriz Azari]

using "Tabriz Azari" username dont makes anyone azeri or turk, but makes him liar..as said about Ataturk and Jews

My dear friend:

I am Iranian-Azeri (Biz Azəriik və Azəri İranlıdır). I don't remember asking anyone from Israel, Cyprus or Turkey to give false narratives about my ethnic origin, and recommend to those that have an interest in scholarship from major universities to conduct their own independent inquiry as to the sources I provided:

 

[Ottoman-Turk]

bak kardes , azeri isen beni anlarsin , bu turk dusmanligin nedir? , sen kendini oyle kabul edebilirsin ama turklermi azerbaycan daki azerilere daha cok yardim etti farslarmi? nekadar turk yardim etti biliyonmu azerbaycana savasda.

if you understand and reply properly and not google reply i will understand you are turk from iran .

 

[Alpery]

My dear friend:

I am Iranian-Azeri (Biz Azəriik və Azəri İranlıdır). I don't remember asking anyone from Israel, Cyprus or Turkey to give false narratives about my ethnic origin, and recommend to those that have an interest in scholarship from major universities to conduct their own independent inquiry as to the sources I provided:

you are false because your false sources..All the world knows that Azeries are Turk..also Atatürk is Turk

 

[Ottoman-Turk]

he can post all these but it doesnt matter , persians did a very big asimilations campaign against turks in iran

 

[Tabriz Azari]

if you understand and reply properly and not google reply i will understand you are turk from iran .

Educate yourself: Real Azari is written in the Persian Script (یاشاسین ایرا&#1606 for thousands of years. Nevertheless, let me tell you what I think in a tongue you understand. And Azaris are not "Turks." Read carefully please.

KEMALİST ÇEVRELERCE ‘TÜRK MİLLİYETÇİSİ' OLARAK TANITILIYOR
Kemalist çevrelerce dünyada ilk ‘Türk Derneği'ni Budapeşte'de açtığı ve Budapeşte'deki üniversitede Türkoloji kürsüsünü kurduğu için ‘Türk dostu', ‘Türk milliyetçisi' olarak lanse edilen ünlü oryantalist Armin Hermann Vambery ile ilgili çarpıcı gerçekleri Türkiye'de ilk kez habervaktim.com açıklıyor. Şimdiye kadar ulusalcı-Kemalist çevrenin ‘Türk dostu' diyerek sahip çıktığı ve aynı zamanda 1910'da kurulan Turan Cemiyeti'nin Onursal Başkanı Vambery'le ilgili bilinmeyenleri, Eski MOSSAD Direktörü ve İsrail Ulusal Güvenlik Kurulu Sekreteri Efraim Halevy'in Londra'da bir sinagogda açıkladı.

MOSSAD DİREKTÖRÜ: SİYONİZM'İN İLK CASUSU
Halevy, 8 Kasım 2009 tarihinde Londra'daki Hamsptead Sinagog'unda İsrail istihbarat tarihi üzerine yaptığı konuşmada “Siyoizm'in İlk Casusu” diye tanımladığı Vambery ile ilgili çarpıcı açıklamalarda bulundu. Konuşmasının bir kısmı National Post'ta da yayınlanan Halevy, İsrail istihbarat tarihinin 19. yüzyıla kadar geriye gittiğini belirterek, Siyonizm'in kurucusu Theodor Herzl ve Siyonizm'in ilk casusu diye tanımladığı Armin Vambery'in İstanbul'daki buluşmaları üzerine ilginç bilgiler verdi.

SULTAN ABDÜLHAMİT'LE GÖRÜŞMEYİ O AYARLADI
Halevy'e göre, Filistin'de bir Yahudi devleti kurulması için Sultan Abdülhamit'le görüşmek isteyen ancak bir türlü saraya girmeyi başaramayan Theodor Herzl, Osmanlı paşalarının güvenini kazanmış olan Macar Yahudisi Armin Vambery'e gitti. Yüklü miktarda para karşılığında Vambery, saraydaki tanıdıklarının da yardımıyla Herzl'i Sultan Abdülhamit ile görüştürdü. Sultan Abdülhamit'e Osmanlı İmparatorluğu'nun tüm borçlarını ödemesi karşılığında Filistin'i isteyen Herzl, istediğini alamayarak geri dönmüştü.

‘TÜRK' OLUP SADRAZAM'A SEKRETER OLDU
Herzl'i Sultan Abdülhamit'le görüştüren Vambery'in hayat hikayesi hakkında bilgi veren eski MOSSAD Direktörü Havely göre, kadın terzisinde çırak olarak işe başlayan Vambrey, okula gitmek için bulduğu destek sayesinde 16 yaşına geldiğinde 10 dil konuşabiliyordu. 20 yaşına geldiğinde Osmanlıca'yı çok iyi konuşabilen ve Osmanlı kültürüne hakim olan Vambery İstanbul'a hareket etti ve kısa bir süre sonra ‘Türk' olup, bir Osmanlı generaline (Sadrazam Keçecizade Mehmet Fuat Paşa) sekreter oldu. Keçecizade Mehmet Fuat Paşa, Osmanlı döneminin en ünlü Masonlarından biri olarak tanınıyor.

KENDİSİNİ SÜNNİ DERVİŞİ OLARAK TANITTI
İstanbul'da kısa süre içerisinde Osmanlı İmparatorluğu içerisinde konuşulan 20 dile ve lehçeye hakim olan Vambery, Türkçe-Almanca sözlüğü de yazdı. Halevy, Vambery'in Osmanlı İmparatorluğu'nda bulunduğu sırada kendisini Sünni bir derviş olarak tanıttığını ve daha önce hiçbir Avrupalı'nın çıkmadığı gezilere çıktığını söyledi. Halevy'e göre, Mekke'den gelen bir grup hacı kafilesine katılan Vambery İran, Buhara ve Semerkant'ı gezdi ve ardından 1864'te “Orta Asya'ya Seyahatler” isimli bir kitap yazdı.

DÖRT KEZ DİN DEĞİŞTİRDİ, İNGİLİZLERE CASUSLUK YAPTI
Orta Asya seyahatinden döndükten ve kitabını yayınladıktan sonra Vambery Budapeşte Üniversitesi'nde Doğu Dilleri Profesörü olarak atandı ve burada 40 yıl boyunca araştırmalar yaptı. İsrail istihbaratı MOSSAD'ın Vambery'in yolunda gittiğini söyleyen Halevy, Vambery ile ilgili şimdiye kadar bilinmeyen bir gerçeği de açıklamış oldu. Vambery'in dört kez din değiştirdiğini ve akademik çalışmalarıyla eş zamanlı olarak hem Osmanlı hem de İngiliz istihbaratı görevlerini yürüttüğünü söyleyen Halevy, Vambery'in sadece İngilizlere istihbarat sağlamakla kalmadığını aynı zamanda Rusların Orta Asya'daki İngiliz menfaatlerine yönelik tehdidine karşı çalışmalar yaptığını belirtti.

HERZL'İ SULTAN'LA GÖRÜŞTÜRDÜ YÜKLÜ MİKTARDA PARA ALDI
Vambery'in bilgi toplayan ve onları anında kullanıma sokan bir ajan prototipi olduğunu kaydeden Halevy, Vambery'nin ikili oynayan bir casus değil, farklı konularda farklı hareket eden biri olduğunu kaydetti. Halevy'e göre Siyonizm'in kurucusu Theodor Herzl'i Sultan 2. Abdülhamit ile görüştüren kişi de Vambery'ydi. Herzl, Vambery'e Sultan Abdülhamit ile görüştürmesi için yardım istediğinde, Vambery yardımı için yüklü miktarda bir para alıyor. Vambery'in Sultan Abdülhamit ile görüştürdüğü Theodor Herzl istediğini alamadı.

MOSSAD'IN ROL MODELİ
Vambrey'in gelecek nesiller için bir model olduğunu belirten Halevy, Vambery'in genellikle hedef seçtiklerinin dinindenmiş gibi kendisini gösterdiğini ve bu şekilde onların güven ve saygısını kazandığını söyledi. Havely, Vambery'in, kendisinin yolunda giden istihbaratçılardan farkını şöyle açıkladı: “O, onun (Vambery) yolunda gidenlerden bir konuda ayrıldı. Genellikle desteklediği hiçbir davaya gerçekte sadık olmadı. Onun tek davası, olabildiğinde para toplayabilmekti.”

he can post all these but it doesnt matter , persians did a very big asimilations campaign against turks in iran

Here are the people that are claiming that Turkey is forcing them to try to become Turks:

1. Armenians
2. Kurds
3. Greeks
4. Assyrians
5. Zazas
6. Iranian-Azaris
7. Georgians
8. Talesh