Abdul Rehman Majeed
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Wait until Armenia quits CSTO.
Armenia has zero value to NATO.
NATO can already reach Iran through both Turkiye and Azerbaijan.
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Wait until Armenia quits CSTO.
A country always has some value to NATO so long as NATO can get to Russia through it.Armenia has zero value to NATO.
NATO can already reach Iran through both Turkiye and Azerbaijan.
A country always has some value to NATO so long as NATO can get to Russia through it.
There are Azeris in Azerbaijan and Iran. Do not blame America if they want to live under the same flag
Don't take the phrase "get to" literally.Armenia does not have a border with Russia.
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Will people say the same about Kurds in Iraq, Syria and Turkiye?
Don't take the phrase "get to" literally.
Georgia was Ukraine version 1 that got beaten up. Current Ukraine is Ukraine version 2. NATO probably needs version 3 soon.Georgia is already the Ukraine in caucasus.
NATO does not need Armenia.
Georgia was Ukraine version 1 that got beaten up. Current Ukraine is Ukraine version 2. NATO probably needs version 3 soon.
Could not doesn't mean would not. NATO simply needs instability around Russia. Close vicinity is enough.Armenia could not even fight Azerbaijan and you think they will fight Russia without even having a border?
I would say the same about the Kurds. They are Kurds in Iran tooArmenia does not have a border with Russia.
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Will people say the same about Kurds in Iraq, Syria and Turkiye?
The Qajars (the Iranian state at the time you mentioned) are a people belonging to the Bayat tribe of the Oghuz Turks living in what is now Armenia, Azerbaijan and north-western Iran. Outside Azerbaijan, the Qajars lack many social rights and are subject to intense assimilation.The Russian empire and USSR left so much problems after its collapse.
Actually the land of Azerbaijan is taken from the Persia by russians,
Same thing in central asia, the russians take lands from Qing empire.
Thanks for the sharing of history of south caucasus.The Qajars (the Iranian state at the time you mentioned) are a people belonging to the Bayat tribe of the Oghuz Turks living in what is now Armenia, Azerbaijan and north-western Iran. Outside Azerbaijan, the Qajars lack many social rights and are subject to intense assimilation.
When the geography of Azerbaijan was officially divided into two parts by the Treaty of Gulistan, the local administrations of this region were almost entirely composed of Turkic tribes. Talysh, Shirvan, Quba, Baku, Ganja, Karabakh, Sheki khanates were left to Russia. And Russia started to make a terrible demographic intervention here. These policies later inspired the social engineering and great tragedies faced by the Circassian and Tatar peoples in the North-East of the Black Sea, the North Caucasus and the Crimea.
In other words, if you look at the maps of the relevant years, what you will see is mostly the Turkic Khanates and how the territory of today's Armenia has been de-Turkified over time. What I cannot understand among my Iranian friends is that they see Turkism as if it is the enemy of Iran, on the contrary, Iran should embrace it for its rise.
As for the dichotomy of modern borders and historical borders, what you say has no validity. The past is the past. When Iran lost Azerbaijan, the borders of the current Turkish state stretched from Yemen to Crimea, from Serbia to Baghdad.
The way of thinking of an average Iranian who says that Azerbaijan belongs to Iran today and its intervention is legitimate is the same as the way of thinking of an average Turk who says that the lands within the borders of the Ottoman map of 1820-30, which are spread over almost 30 countries today, belong to the Turks. And this is really a completely absurd thought structure. Times have changed, time has brought new understandings.