USA will turn Azerbaijan into the next Ukraine

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

Wait until Armenia quits CSTO.

Armenia has zero value to NATO.

NATO can already reach Iran through both Turkiye and Azerbaijan.

 

[nang2]

Armenia has zero value to NATO.

NATO can already reach Iran through both Turkiye and Azerbaijan.

A country always has some value to NATO so long as NATO can get to Russia through it.

 

[Titanium100]

Armenia will exit CSTO both Armenia and Azerbaijan are being courted to join NATO. Armenia is normalizing with Turkey now.. The Armenians have bet on NATO.. One them already has security guaraantee and defense treaty with a NATO member. Azerbaijan is more or less under NATO defense.. Azerbaijan is defacto major NON- NATO ally

 

[nahtanbob]

There are Azeris in Azerbaijan and Iran. Do not blame America if they want to live under the same flag

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

A country always has some value to NATO so long as NATO can get to Russia through it.

Armenia does not have a border with Russia.

There are Azeris in Azerbaijan and Iran. Do not blame America if they want to live under the same flag

Will people say the same about Kurds in Iraq, Syria and Turkiye?

 

[nang2]

Armenia does not have a border with Russia.

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Will people say the same about Kurds in Iraq, Syria and Turkiye?

Don't take the phrase "get to" literally.

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

Don't take the phrase "get to" literally.

Georgia is already the Ukraine in caucasus.

NATO does not need Armenia.

 

[nang2]

Georgia is already the Ukraine in caucasus.

NATO does not need Armenia.

Georgia was Ukraine version 1 that got beaten up. Current Ukraine is Ukraine version 2. NATO probably needs version 3 soon.

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

Georgia was Ukraine version 1 that got beaten up. Current Ukraine is Ukraine version 2. NATO probably needs version 3 soon.

Armenia could not even fight Azerbaijan and you think they will fight Russia without even having a border?

 

[nang2]

Armenia could not even fight Azerbaijan and you think they will fight Russia without even having a border?

Could not doesn't mean would not. NATO simply needs instability around Russia. Close vicinity is enough.

 

[nahtanbob]

Armenia does not have a border with Russia.

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Will people say the same about Kurds in Iraq, Syria and Turkiye?

I would say the same about the Kurds. They are Kurds in Iran too

 

[cssniper]

The Russian empire and USSR left so much problems after its collapse.
Actually the land of Azerbaijan is taken from the Persia by russians,
Same thing in central asia, the russians take lands from Qing empire.

 

[dBSPL]

The Russian empire and USSR left so much problems after its collapse.
Actually the land of Azerbaijan is taken from the Persia by russians,
Same thing in central asia, the russians take lands from Qing empire.

The Qajars (the Iranian state at the time you mentioned) are a people belonging to the Bayat tribe of the Oghuz Turks living in what is now Armenia, Azerbaijan and north-western Iran. Outside Azerbaijan, the Qajars lack many social rights and are subject to intense assimilation.

When the geography of Azerbaijan was officially divided into two parts by the Treaty of Gulistan, the local administrations of this region were almost entirely composed of Turkic tribes. Talysh, Shirvan, Quba, Baku, Ganja, Karabakh, Sheki khanates were left to Russia. And Russia started to make a terrible demographic intervention here. These policies later inspired the social engineering and great tragedies faced by the Circassian and Tatar peoples in the North-East of the Black Sea, the North Caucasus and the Crimea.

In other words, if you look at the maps of the relevant years, what you will see is mostly the Turkic Khanates and how the territory of today's Armenia has been de-Turkified over time. What I cannot understand among my Iranian friends is that they see Turkism as if it is the enemy of Iran, on the contrary, Iran should embrace it for its rise.

As for the dichotomy of modern borders and historical borders, what you say has no validity. The past is the past. When Iran lost Azerbaijan, the borders of the current Turkish state stretched from Yemen to Crimea, from Serbia to Baghdad.

The way of thinking of an average Iranian who says that Azerbaijan belongs to Iran today and its intervention is legitimate is the same as the way of thinking of an average Turk who says that the lands within the borders of the Ottoman map of 1820-30, which are spread over almost 30 countries today, belong to the Turks. And this is really a completely absurd thought structure. Times have changed, time has brought new understandings.

 

[cssniper]

The Qajars (the Iranian state at the time you mentioned) are a people belonging to the Bayat tribe of the Oghuz Turks living in what is now Armenia, Azerbaijan and north-western Iran. Outside Azerbaijan, the Qajars lack many social rights and are subject to intense assimilation.

When the geography of Azerbaijan was officially divided into two parts by the Treaty of Gulistan, the local administrations of this region were almost entirely composed of Turkic tribes. Talysh, Shirvan, Quba, Baku, Ganja, Karabakh, Sheki khanates were left to Russia. And Russia started to make a terrible demographic intervention here. These policies later inspired the social engineering and great tragedies faced by the Circassian and Tatar peoples in the North-East of the Black Sea, the North Caucasus and the Crimea.

In other words, if you look at the maps of the relevant years, what you will see is mostly the Turkic Khanates and how the territory of today's Armenia has been de-Turkified over time. What I cannot understand among my Iranian friends is that they see Turkism as if it is the enemy of Iran, on the contrary, Iran should embrace it for its rise.

As for the dichotomy of modern borders and historical borders, what you say has no validity. The past is the past. When Iran lost Azerbaijan, the borders of the current Turkish state stretched from Yemen to Crimea, from Serbia to Baghdad.

The way of thinking of an average Iranian who says that Azerbaijan belongs to Iran today and its intervention is legitimate is the same as the way of thinking of an average Turk who says that the lands within the borders of the Ottoman map of 1820-30, which are spread over almost 30 countries today, belong to the Turks. And this is really a completely absurd thought structure. Times have changed, time has brought new understandings.

Thanks for the sharing of history of south caucasus.
I don't take the opinion that Azerbaijan belongs to Iran, I just see this as a tragedy of geopolitics and history.
The russians did a lot crime to the local people when they took lands around their territory, same thing happen in eastern asia.

 

[glablo]

The claim of lack of rights is hard to understand even though Khomeini, Khamenei, and even former Prime Minister Mousavi are Azeris. Iran is the successor state to the status of the Ghajar dynasty, and the cradle of the Ghajar dynasty was Nagorno-Karabakh.
From the Iranian point of view, it is only natural that Azerbaijan's move to seize Iranian Azerbaijan is inexcusable.
Moreover, Azerbaijani extremists claim that even Tehran, where many Azeris live, is originally Azerbaijani territory, and they want to take it away from Iran.
As a fellow Azeri, Khamenei, who abandoned his neutrality in this war and clearly supported the Azerbaijani invasion of Karabakh, has been completely betrayed, and anger is swirling among the Iranian people.