Argentina chooses second hand Kfir over JF-17, Gripen.

[Luca1]

Mr Argentina can't afford JF-17 that is why they are going for old Kfir. JF-17 is more advanced and avionics are dam good.

It's at least in service.. In Pakistan. Unlike India's LCA. Maybe this is why the Indian op place this in the Indian section. As a reminder that LCA is obsolete on arrival.

 

[Superboy]

Perhaps China did not want sensitive hardware falling into the hands of Americans. It is surprisingly odd that Argentina insists Israeli parts in JF-17 when Israel is an American stooge.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Argentina considering leasing Israel Kfir AESA Block 60 ( Mirage V)


@C-130

 

[airmarshal]

Indians dont want to accept JF-17 is a Pakistani product. So let them be. Dont argue with these idiots.

 

[C130]

Perhaps China did not want sensitive hardware falling into the hands of Americans. It is surprisingly odd that Argentina insists Israeli parts in JF-17 when Israel is an American stooge.

how would U.S get a hold of sensitive information from Argentina?? you do know Argentina doesn't like the U.S along with Brazil,Venezuela,Bolivia, etc


and what sensitive hardware

 

[Indus Falcon]

how would U.S get a hold of sensitive information from Argentina?? you do know Argentina doesn't like the U.S along with Brazil,Venezuela,Bolivia, etc


and what sensitive hardware

Miniature Aliens sitting in the Radome

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

LOL MIRAGE

 

[seven7seven]

Argentina don't have any money and they were relying on China to do them a favour and sell JF-17s on the cheap, whilst also making unreasonable demands. China on the other hand has a ton of cash reserves and don't need to sell their weapons to countries, like Argentina, who have no particular special relationship with China. China probably told Argentina to look elsewhere for what they are asking of China. The sale probably didn't seem worth the trouble for China.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Mirage with 2 GIANT petrol tanks

 

[MastanKhan]

Sir
Is it fair to say that the dust has not settled on this issue? There is an interim plan and a long term plan to replace 36 fighters. Since they already have the M3/5s they might find Kfirs a cheap and easy induction in the short and medium term.
Araz

Hi,

The thing is that 36 planes don't do much---without at least half a sqdrn of heavies. Plus if china refused to sell them the anti ship missiles---then the thunder is not the best buy for them.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

IChina refused to provide anti-ship missiles under diplomatic pressure from the UK, according to the Moscow-based Military Parade.
.

Wow. China refused on our account? I hadn't expected this.

J̶a̶p̶a̶n̶ ̶a̶l̶w̶a̶y̶s̶ ̶b̶e̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶a̶ ̶v̶a̶s̶s̶a̶l̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶U̶S̶.̶ ̶W̶h̶e̶n̶ ̶w̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶s̶h̶e̶ ̶e̶v̶e̶r̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶i̶n̶d̶e̶p̶e̶n̶d̶e̶n̶t̶.̶
China always being a vassal to the UK. When will she ever be independent...

BTW Argentina has done a great job alienating themselves.
They have even managed to anger Spain!
Spain attacks Argentina over nationalisation of oil company YPF | World news | The Guardian

 

[Indus Pakistan]

how would U.S get a hold of sensitive information from Argentina?? you do know Argentina doesn't like the U.S along with Brazil,Venezuela,Bolivia, etc


and what sensitive hardware

This. Now keep schtum. Leak this out and your dead

 

[Shabi1]

The Kfirs being sold are 30yr old airframes which were put in storage over a decade ago. The deal with Israel is for almost $200mn and for 18 rebuilt airframes which makes it $11.11mn per aircraft. Argentina already operates Israeli Neshers so they have Israeli ordinance in inventory and can put them to service quickly. To sweeten the deal Israel will provide flexible financing as well.

The JF-17 is a $25mn aircraft, so its a economic decision, not one made because of performance. Since China's refusal to provide anti ship missiles, JF-17 would have needed to be integrated with Israeli systems to fire their available missiles.


The decision to buy Kfirs seems a very short sighted one as a stop gap measure due to financial constraints. Being already 30yrs old, despite upgrades and rebuilds they wont last long or will become expensive to maintain as spare will become scarce. Argentina will have to look for another jet couple of years from now.

 

[araz]

Hi,

The thing is that 36 planes don't do much---without at least half a sqdrn of heavies. Plus if china refused to sell them the anti ship missiles---then the thunder is not the best buy for them.

Argentina in its current economic climate lscks the resources to operate heavies so much as there is sense to your post it seems a bridge too far for the Argentinians.

 

[Echo_419]

Argentina Air Force officials have been interested in the Kfir for several years, but it was at the 2013 Paris Air Show that delegates met officials of Chengdu Aircraft Corp. and the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, the Chinese-Pakistani partnership that produces the JF-17 fighter jet, the sources said.

The Chinese-built machines were of interest to Argentina because of their relatively low cost and the possibility of being locally assembled at the Fabrica Argentina de Aviones, the former FMA industrial plant at Cordoba.

Using Chinese-supplied components at the beginning, the local assembly offered the possibility of locally manufactured parts at a later stage, opening the way to licensed production and even the development of a version specially tailored to Argentina’s requirements.

Negotiations for the acquisition and assembly of the JF-17 in Argentina started soon but the increasing demands by Argentina for Western avionics and modifications increased the cost of the aircraft.

The integration work needed to accommodate the new avionics also delayed the process and in May 2015, after almost two years of negotiations, the Argentine authorities discarded the JF-17


Argentina Eyes Second-Hand Kfirs To Replace Mirages

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