Angry PCB walks out of 2011 world cup meeting

[salman nedian]

In this case Mahboob Ali(BCB) should get a slap in the face. Bangladesh should not play in India's Shatani plan. What **** BCB doing?

Banladesh must stay neutral and back up PCB not otherway around.

PCB should also not have shown any concern over the BDR mutiny. I think we need to understand the Indian game now. Lahore attack was conducted to isolate Pakistan but by the grace of Allah we have shown to the world that we are the champs.

Pakistan and Bangladesh should play their domestic season together. This will benefit the players from both the sides and Srilanka is not just a friend, it is the country which supported us in our tough times and we cannot forget this.

an Asian block of Pakistan , Bangladesh and Srilanks should be formed IMO.

 

[Neo]

'Co-hosts don't want Pakistan to host any 2011 WC match'​

KARACHI: Sri Lankan cricket committee chairman, Somachandra de Silva has made it clear that co-hosts India, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh don't want
Pakistan to host any of the 2011 World Cup matches.

In an interview, De Silva said that at the meeting of the representatives of the World Cup joint host countries, this had been made clear to the Pakistan board Chairman, Ejaz Butt.

"We also don't agree to Pakistan's proposal of them hosting their share of matches at neutral venues," he added.

Silva said the host countries felt that only countries who were joint hosts of the World Cup should have the right to organise the matches and not anyone else.

"We have offered Pakistan that they would be paid the full hosting rights fees nearly USD 1.1 million even if they don't host the matches. The countries that host their (Pakistan's) share of matches would forego the hosting fees for these matches," he said.

De Silva revealed that Pakistan had first insisted on hosting the World Cup matches at home.

"Pakistan then proposed hosting their matches at neutral venues. Both proposals were rejected by the other host nations," he added.

De Silva said now the dispute over the World Cup matches would have to be resolved at the annual ICC meeting.

However, he ruled out any possibility of the host countries accepting Pakistan's proposal to shift the World Cup to Australia and New Zealand and have the 2015 tournament in south Asia.

"The World Cup will not be shifted out of Asia at any cost," he said.

De Silva, however, was hopeful that since the Asian nations had good relations the dispute would be resolved soon and a solution would be found.

"We have also put the attack on the Sri Lankan team in Lahore out of our minds and that is history now. Pakistan team would be welcomed when they come to Sri Lanka from June 27 for the test series," he said.

De Silva said Pakistani players would be provided presidential level security on the tour to avoid any incident.

"The security situation in Sri Lanka is now much better and improving so we are confident of hosting a good series," he said.

 

[wtf]

"We have offered Pakistan that they would be paid the full hosting rights fees nearly USD 1.1 million even if they don't host the matches. The countries that host their (Pakistan's) share of matches would forego the hosting fees for these matches," he said.

However, he ruled out any possibility of the host countries accepting Pakistan's proposal to shift the World Cup to Australia and New Zealand and have the 2015 tournament in south Asia.

With this new information, I can't understand the Pakistani position. I think at least SL/BD/India are negotiating with good faith.

If shifting venues was about revenues to PCB, that has been offered (If more was needed, that should have been the counter-proposal). If it was about travel convenience for Pakistani spectators, then why ask for games to be shifted to Australia/NZ ? I would think SL/India/Bangladesh have cheaper flights than Australia.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

With this new information, I can't understand the Pakistani position. I think at least SL/BD/India are negotiating with good faith.

If shifting venues was about revenues to PCB, that has been offered (If more was needed, that should have been the counter-proposal). If it was about travel convenience for Pakistani spectators, then why ask for games to be shifted to Australia/NZ ? I would think SL/India/Bangladesh have cheaper flights than Australia.

The spectator issue is not resolved - the PCB was asking for the entire WC to be shifted to NZ/Australia (the runner up bid), with the 2015 then being held in Asia (including Pakistan, with the security situation hopefully resolved), and not for the 14 matches alone to be held in Australia/NZ.

The PCB offer for neutral venues is for Abu Dhabi and Dubai, which would be far more convenient for the reasons mentioned already.

There really is no reason to oppose the PCB bid other than greed. The UAE offers top class facilities and infrastructure, perhaps better than the South Asian nations. It is pretty much equidistant compared to the other nations hosting the cup, and will draw spectators easily given the existing lure of Dubai as a tourist attraction and the large South Asian expatriate population in the Gulf.

The other 3 hosting nations have not offered a single argument supporting their position, not one, other than that they just 'want it held in their countries', despite the fact that Pakistan was an integral part of Asia winning the bid.

 

[wtf]

The spectator issue is not resolved - the PCB was asking for the entire WC to be shifted to NZ/Australia (the runner up bid), with the 2015 then being held in Asia (including Pakistan, with the security situation hopefully resolved), and not for the 14 matches alone to be held in Australia/NZ.

What happens if this ends up as a case of "bird in hand being worth more than two in the bush ?" Do we know if ICC will agree for such a swap ? This I think is unfair to the other 3 nations - who knows what the security situation in India/Pak/SL/BD will be in 2015 ? If any one of them has a problem then we'll have to shift it again to 2019.

There really is no reason to oppose the PCB bid other than greed. The UAE offers top class facilities and infrastructure, perhaps better than the South Asian nations. It is pretty much equidistant compared to the other nations hosting the cup, and will draw spectators easily given the existing lure of Dubai as a tourist attraction and the large South Asian expatriate population in the Gulf.

Can't see greed angle when the entire hosting fee goes to Pakistan. I am assuming that the costs involved in conducting the tour cancels out non-match-fee revenues. If this was unfair, why not just ask for more money ?

Anyway, How will shifting the game to Abu Dhabi give Pakistan more revenues ? Pakistan will only get a maximum of $1.1 M in that case and at the same time have to spend organizational expenses which in this case India/SL/BD will incur.

If there are additional revenues to be made, why not India/SL/BD take those revenues instead of giving it to Dubai (which already has enough money?).

 

[Interceptor]

The more we (Pakistan) cornered, the more we ROAR


Sanctions and Alienation always proved blessings in disguise for Pakistan. We showed this to world on number of occasions from becoming nuclear to JF-17 to T20 Champs.

Actually sanctions and alienation have ruined our economy and killed our trade roots. Its better to roar when your not cornered, it really is. A strong Pakistan is better negotiator of peace and weak Pakistan will be easier to persuade.

PCB should negotiate with recent victory in mind, after all we are world champions and deserve the right to approve what we want, we need to send a select team to ICC who know how to negotiate I would be happy to see Imran Khan, Ramiz Raja basically a elite think tank that can bid in favor of Pakistan.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

What happens if this ends up as a case of "bird in hand being worth more than two in the bush ?" Do we know if ICC will agree for such a swap ? This I think is unfair to the other 3 nations - who knows what the security situation in India/Pak/SL/BD will be in 2015 ? If any one of them has a problem then we'll have to shift it again to 2019.

I think the ICC has already rejected the swap, and I would rather not see the swap either - I think it was just a proposal aired by the PCB. I think it is far more preferable to allow Pakistan to host her matches at a neutral venue such as the UAE.

Can't see greed angle when the entire hosting fee goes to Pakistan. I am assuming that the costs involved in conducting the tour cancels out non-match-fee revenues. If this was unfair, why not just ask for more money ?

Greed because of the secondary benefits of hosting additional matches you yourself covered a few posts ago I believe.

The issue is not just of money, though money is one aspect of the situation.

Anyway, How will shifting the game to Abu Dhabi give Pakistan more revenues ? Pakistan will only get a maximum of $1.1 M in that case and at the same time have to spend organizational expenses which in this case India/SL/BD will incur.

That depends upon how Pakistan negotiates the hosting with the Emirates. Perhaps ticketing revenues can be split in addition to Pakistan receiving the hosting fees, while the Emirates enjoy the tourism bonanza of hosting a World Cup.

If there are additional revenues to be made, why not India/SL/BD take those revenues instead of giving it to Dubai (which already has enough money?).

Again, revenues are only part of the issue - 'home field' advantage, familiarity with the conditions, a single country hosting Pakistan's matches, ease of travel for spectators - there are a lot of advantages the UAE offers that splitting the matches between the other three would not.

 

[afriend]

That money's not coming from you guys, thats coming from ICC. It's in contract.

The other thing is damages in losing crowd, hotel bookings, tv rights, adverts, tourism, etc. Now why should we divert all of that to INDIA? We'll send it wherever we please to. WE are supposed to host it, we can host it in Dubai too.

If this was attitude shown by PCB to BCCI,BCL,SCB, can anyone blame them for not accepting PCB's DEMAND.

However BCCI have powerful cult in ICC and all the other host countries have AGREED to forgoe the hosting fees. So if there was an objection then the matter could not have been smooth for PCB.

From an article
"Pakistan remains a co-host and retains its host fees for the 14 matches originally scheduled to take place there before the decision to remove the country as a host location for the tournament," the ICC said in a statement.
It added that the other three host nations have AGREED to forego hosting fees for the 14 extra matches allotted to them that were originally due to be held in Pakistan, the ICC said. "

And i can agree with the spectator issue, the visa problems and stuff will surely deprive them enjoying cricket. But you surely can hold most of paksitans match in SL OR BD, you might not have problem with that right..???

I think the sole issue boil down to India Pakistan angle and people are not thinking above it. PCB should discuss with other boards for more revenue cut and scheduling of their matches in SL,BD and let the other host countries too share the benifit rather than take it away to a nation who has nothing to do with WC

 

[rubyjackass]

The spectator issue is not resolved - the PCB was asking for the entire WC to be shifted to NZ/Australia (the runner up bid), with the 2015 then being held in Asia (including Pakistan, with the security situation hopefully resolved), and not for the 14 matches alone to be held in Australia/NZ.

The PCB offer for neutral venues is for Abu Dhabi and Dubai, which would be far more convenient for the reasons mentioned already.

There really is no reason to oppose the PCB bid other than greed. The UAE offers top class facilities and infrastructure, perhaps better than the South Asian nations. It is pretty much equidistant compared to the other nations hosting the cup, and will draw spectators easily given the existing lure of Dubai as a tourist attraction and the large South Asian expatriate population in the Gulf.

The other 3 hosting nations have not offered a single argument supporting their position, not one, other than that they just 'want it held in their countries', despite the fact that Pakistan was an integral part of Asia winning the bid.

Firstly a swap with 2015 is ridiculous. Everyone wants THIS world cup.
How bad can your in sight be to not see why the other hosts don't want a new venue? Why would they let a new player get all profits? They bid for the world cup together to profit together. They want their tourism to develop, their advertising profits to increase. What would PCB get by giving those rich bas****s more money? Anyway PCB gets what it can get from other hosts at the cost of their hosting fees. Then wht?


And mind you the visa problem you mentioned is not the reason highlighted by PCB as a justification for a neutral venue. They talk about their rights, alienation of PCB, conspiracy and the other hosts too not being safe for cricket and other ..

 

[rubyjackass]

I think the ICC has already rejected the swap, and I would rather not see the swap either - I think it was just a proposal aired by the PCB. I think it is far more preferable to allow Pakistan to host her matches at a neutral venue such as the UAE.

Greed because of the secondary benefits of hosting additional matches you yourself covered a few posts ago I believe.

GREED!! At one point everyone has to take care of his interests. By your logic greed is what drove PCB(as well as other boards) to do it together because they cannot bid alone and succeed.

The issue is not just of money, though money is one aspect of the situation.

Clearly the issue is not of money. Its about denying the other boards some profit. Its about paranoia and stubbornness.

That depends upon how Pakistan negotiates the hosting with the Emirates. Perhaps ticketing revenues can be split in addition to Pakistan receiving the hosting fees, while the Emirates enjoy the tourism bonanza of hosting a World Cup.

Consider 50% of whatever ticketing revenue you are talking about. Consider 1.1mil$ with zero effort(They are bringing effort upon themselves with lawsuits though). Somebody do the math and tell me how much more Pakistan would have earned... all at the cost of other hosts. Simple reason why this is unacceptable for other hosts.

Again, revenues are only part of the issue - 'home field' advantage, familiarity with the conditions, a single country hosting Pakistan's matches, ease of travel for spectators - there are a lot of advantages the UAE offers that splitting the matches between the other three would not.

With only three host countries as against the planned 4, players will get used to the conditions more easily... Dont try **** and bull stories. This is nothing what the PCB was appealing about. BTW the whole of subcontinent has similar conditions. THe conditions you want to dance about can change from one ground to other in the same country.

Yes may be there are advantages, but at the cost of other hosts. Even PCB has to bend sideways and backwards to hold matched there in a different place unless you come up with a reason saying how brotherly Abu Dhabi authorities are with PCB and other BS. Again shows its a prestige issue for PCB.

 

[salman nedian]

What is the problem with hosting the matches at UAE??????

 

[third eye]

What is the problem with hosting the matches at UAE??????

Hmm..

Something like inviting frs to your house to dinner..& then saying I'll take you out instead coz my wife is throwing tantrums & I cannot control her !

 

[salman nedian]

Hmm..

Something like inviting frs to your house to dinner..& then saying I'll take you out instead coz my wife is throwing tantrums & I cannot control her !

What if the other house is of my brother? Does it make any difference to my friends?

 

[third eye]

What if the other house is of my brother? Does it make any difference to my friends?

Yes it does if your frs do not know your brother on the same level as they lnow you & invitaions are not carried forward either.

The new ( intended) host is not a part of the group of frs who decided to party together either.

 

[salman nedian]

Yes it does if your frs do not know your brother on the same level as they lnow you & invitaions are not carried forward either.

The new ( intended) host is not a part of the group of frs who decided to party together either.

Oh come on, almost every team has experience of playing in UAE and world-class facilities are being provided there.

With your logic World Cup should be held in Pakistan.