An India that can’t say no to Pakistan!

[CZAR]

Yeh Right , We Fear Indian Invasion , When will you people Wake up from your Dream , You are not our main problem any more, you are right now just a Second tier Enemy who we dont give a Damn about at the moment .

Really?! A second tier enemy?! It obviously can't sit too well with your ego that most people in your country continue to obsess about India. Take a recent PEW Global Survey for instance - people in your country think of india as a bigger threat than the TALIBAN!!

Here are some excerpts -
"Only 22% of Pakistanis have a favorable view of traditional rival India, although this is actually a slight improvement from 14% last year. Moreover, when asked which is the biggest threat to their country, India, the Taliban, or al Qaeda, 59% name India.

Pakistanis have consistently identified India as the top threat since the question was first asked in 2009. The percentage fearing India has increased by 11 points since then, while the percentage naming the Taliban has decreased by nine points.

Pakistani Public Opinion Ever More Critical of U.S. | Pew Global Attitudes Project

 

[indushek]

Wait. Let them do anything along with opening up their economy for us. Let us have some of their key industries such that our economic sanctions hurt. THEN we can choose to play hard. As of now, they are insulated from our actions.

Then you can have Manmohan meet baloch leaders and they still wont be able to do anything about it.

Thats the reason Pakistan hasn't let India come in via trade till date. They wanted to be as much independent of us as any form of dependency would have made all the adventures so far impossible. The present steps open a window for us along with the security issues ofcourse. The inability of India in 2008 was rather telling as we couldn't achieve much rather than huff and puff.

Chanakya rules.

 

[cyphercide]

Yes the answer to this 'love' lies in the inability of our diplomats and leaders in finding answers to these insolences. It is not a surprise that we are always reactive and are caught with our pants down.

Under these facts may be this jhappa jhappi atleast covers the deficiency to some extent and saves face.

Which is why it is baffling. Compare this to the jingoism that was thrown around when Sharukh Khan was inconvenienced for a couple of hours in the US, I thought we were going to declare war !!!

Either way, India doesn't seem to be heeding the warning signs much less act upon it;

MHA, MEA at odds on ties with Pak - Times Of India

Wait. Let them do anything along with opening up their economy for us. Let us have some of their key industries such that our economic sanctions hurt. THEN we can choose to play hard. As of now, they are insulated from our actions.

Then you can have Manmohan meet baloch leaders and they still wont be able to do anything about it.

The actual implementation of an MFN status will probably assist Pakistan more than it does India. Smaller economies can rapidly restructure itself by virtue of FDI to act as the catalyst. A case in point is Sri Lanka which is riding high as the "Wonder Of Asia" also has a significant Indian investment presence. Ironically, it doesn't appear to bend over backwards to accommodate any Indian interests so why would the case with Pakistan be any different? The case of non-tariff barriers cannot be ruled out if the actual implementation ever does take place.

To top it all off, the tricky situation of the Pakistani Army running lucrative business entities of it's own cannot be ignored. We just might end up adding a couple of extra zeros to their defense budget.

No Chanakya niti about the entire affair, just good ol' mother hen complex acting up and it couldn't come at a better time for a struggling Pakistan.

 

[MM_Haider]

such journalist won't let peace happen in the region..

 

[Contrarian]

The actual implementation of an MFN status will probably assist Pakistan more than it does India. Smaller economies can rapidly restructure itself by virtue of FDI to act as the catalyst. A case in point is Sri Lanka which is riding high as the "Wonder Of Asia" also has a significant Indian investment presence. Ironically, it doesn't appear to bend over backwards to accommodate any Indian interests so why would the case with Pakistan be any different? The case of non-tariff barriers cannot be ruled out if the actual implementation ever does take place.

To top it all off, the tricky situation of the Pakistani Army running lucrative business entities of it's own cannot be ignored. We just might end up adding a couple of extra zeros to their defense budget.

No Chanakya niti about the entire affair, just good ol' mother hen complex acting up and it couldn't come at a better time for a struggling Pakistan.

Other nations like SL might. Pakistan fortunately for us has very very few business houses alongside the one army industrial set. If we can create their dependency on our market for either raw materials(preferable) or a finished products (not as preferable) then they would think twice before doing any activities that destabilize India on a large scale.

These select few people/families wield a disproportionately large influence on Pakistan policies and politics as these people are directly either the politicians themselves or are the Army.

Now, no game in reality is a zero sum game. We win, while they also get to add a couple of zero's to their economy. But you realize that as they have more, they will not want to get deprived of that.

While it is inevitable that this will aid their defence budget as well. But then again, we care more about them being a responsible international nation, something they are not incentivized to do now as they are at rock bottom. Pakistan will never be a conventional military threat to India anymore, but if we can induce the element of responsibility of actions in them both via their own achivements and via their dependency on India, we would have got what we needed.

 

[cyphercide]

Other nations like SL might. Pakistan fortunately for us has very very few business houses alongside the one army industrial set. If we can create their dependency on our market for either raw materials(preferable) or a finished products (not as preferable) then they would think twice before doing any activities that destabilize India on a large scale.

These select few people/families wield a disproportionately large influence on Pakistan policies and politics as these people are directly either the politicians themselves or are the Army.

Now, no game in reality is a zero sum game. We win, while they also get to add a couple of zero's to their economy. But you realize that as they have more, they will not want to get deprived of that.

While it is inevitable that this will aid their defence budget as well. But then again, we care more about them being a responsible international nation, something they are not incentivized to do now as they are at rock bottom. Pakistan will never be a conventional military threat to India anymore, but if we can induce the element of responsibility of actions in them both via their own achivements and via their dependency on India, we would have got what we needed.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for seeing where the new found business synergy goes but not at the cost of India's national interests. This has a bigger context since a barrage of agreements from visa regulations to cricket are being expedited all on the wafer-thin pretext of good faith and future potential.

 

[cyphercide]

Doublepost!!!

 

[indushek]

Which is why it is baffling. Compare this to the jingoism that was thrown around when Sharukh Khan was inconvenienced for a couple of hours in the US, I thought we were going to declare war !!!

Either way, India doesn't seem to be heeding the warning signs much less act upon it;

MHA, MEA at odds on ties with Pak - Times Of India







The actual implementation of an MFN status will probably assist Pakistan more than it does India. Smaller economies can rapidly restructure itself by virtue of FDI to act as the catalyst. A case in point is Sri Lanka which is riding high as the "Wonder Of Asia" also has a significant Indian investment presence. Ironically, it doesn't appear to bend over backwards to accommodate any Indian interests so why would the case with Pakistan be any different? The case of non-tariff barriers cannot be ruled out if the actual implementation ever does take place.

To top it all off, the tricky situation of the Pakistani Army running lucrative business entities of it's own cannot be ignored. We just might end up adding a couple of extra zeros to their defense budget.

No Chanakya niti about the entire affair, just good ol' mother hen complex acting up and it couldn't come at a better time for a struggling Pakistan.

jaaneman now u are completely writing off our diplomats. Previously with no links other than those on battlefield or odd meeting here there what kind of dependency did we have with each other tell me, even the diplomats require something to work on and from the start we were at each other's throats. Now u can say that no such contacts are required for putting pressure yes but here is no third party through which we could work. Our friends were their enemies and they made friends of our enemies.

Regarding Pakistan u speak as if its going to become a golden goose laying golden eggs overnight with trade, even then it will take time for them to lay the eggs. The tricky situation is a bonus for us, as the corrupt will never let the benefits trickle down and the defence budget is not added the generals swiss bank accounts swell.

For us to take benefit of this whole phenomena will also take some time.

 

[indushek]

Other nations like SL might. Pakistan fortunately for us has very very few business houses alongside the one army industrial set. If we can create their dependency on our market for either raw materials(preferable) or a finished products (not as preferable) then they would think twice before doing any activities that destabilize India on a large scale.

These select few people/families wield a disproportionately large influence on Pakistan policies and politics as these people are directly either the politicians themselves or are the Army.

Now, no game in reality is a zero sum game. We win, while they also get to add a couple of zero's to their economy. But you realize that as they have more, they will not want to get deprived of that.

While it is inevitable that this will aid their defence budget as well. But then again, we care more about them being a responsible international nation, something they are not incentivized to do now as they are at rock bottom. Pakistan will never be a conventional military threat to India anymore, but if we can induce the element of responsibility of actions in them both via their own achivements and via their dependency on India, we would have got what we needed.

Also not all the benefits reach the people, the 'middlemen's' swiss accounts swell.

 

[cyphercide]

jaaneman now u are completely writing off our diplomats. Previously with no links other than those on battlefield or odd meeting here there what kind of dependency did we have with each other tell me, even the diplomats require something to work on and from the start we were at each other's throats. Now u can say that no such contacts are required for putting pressure yes but here is no third party through which we could work. Our friends were their enemies and they made friends of our enemies.

Regarding Pakistan u speak as if its going to become a golden goose laying golden eggs overnight with trade, even then it will take time for them to lay the eggs. The tricky situation is a bonus for us, as the corrupt will never let the benefits trickle down and the defence budget is not added the generals swiss bank accounts swell.

For us to take benefit of this whole phenomena will also take some time.

Pakistan is rather a goose that we have the upper hand over for the time being. I'd find it necessary to utilize this time to push our security concerns across as a non negotiable. Why should it be a problem if the want for closer ties is genuine on either side of the border? There's isn't a point in crying if a future attack takes place and is traced to business visas that India handed out, is there? Nobody is going to articulate our needs to Pakistan but us.

 

[Contrarian]

Pakistan is rather a goose that we have the upper hand over for the time being. I'd find it necessary to utilize this time to push our security concerns across as a non negotiable. Why should it be a problem if the want for closer ties is genuine on either side of the border? There's isn't a point in crying if a future attack takes place and is traced to business visas that India handed out, is there? Nobody is going to articulate our needs to Pakistan but us.

Your missing the forest for the woods here. Yes, maybe we can take a tough line right now when Pakistan is cornered from all sides and maybe the will respond to an extent to our concerns - not much though in case you think that.

OTOH, right now if we are able to push through something that will give returns for decades to come. If we can end their isolation and make them dependent on India, then we will have achieved a new pressure point. Trade liberalizations are a start. We have to capitalize on it.

 

[cyphercide]

^^^ Well, let's all sincerely hope that the present concerns are unfounded and this period of relative peace does usher in a more interdependent relationship between the two nations.

 

[CYNOX]

One of the more amusing facets of Indian foreign policy. An assertive India that deals aggressively with global titans like the United States, Russia and Britain turns embarrassingly shy around Islamabad. Contrast this to Pakistan's modest foreign policy with the rest of the globe and yet when it comes to dealing with New Delhi, they morph into suave policy pushers.

Why the disparity? Simple, It's because India willfully lets Pakistan win.

That is True because Pakistan is sitting Right Next to India. I can Shout or Even be Aggressive with a Person sitting 4 or 5 meters away but i should think Twice before doing the Same with the Person Sitting Next to me who even happens to be My Angry Twin Brother with Deadly weapon on his Back.

Lets Hope These Two nations Work it out, Because if that happens Whole of South Asia Can unite again with 1 Army 1 Navy 1 Air Force 1 Currency and 1 Union. the South Asian Union.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

you indians -- instead of bantering and blabbering - should acknowledge moves made by Pakistan

not limited to just MFN status for india

 

[MilSpec]

you indians -- instead of bantering and blabbering - should acknowledge moves made by Pakistan

not limited to just MFN status for india

NOT ENOUGH!!!! the sentiment reflected across the country