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An India that can’t say no to Pakistan!

you indians -- instead of bantering and blabbering - should acknowledge moves made by Pakistan

not limited to just MFN status for india

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True its not enough But We are progressing Slowly. Opening Up borders Visa Issues Being handled Reasonably . both sides have started lets hope they develop an understanding on Terrorism and Jointly Tackling it. and Stop Destroying and Stabbing Each other.
 
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Thats the reason Pakistan hasn't let India come in via trade till date. They wanted to be as much independent of us as any form of dependency would have made all the adventures so far impossible. The present steps open a window for us along with the security issues ofcourse. The inability of India in 2008 was rather telling as we couldn't achieve much rather than huff and puff.

Chanakya rules.

the most amusing thing to read on PDF is Indian's views of themselves. you couldnt even control Sri Lanka and talking about economically controlling Pakistan. Abhi Dili door hay Banya! kafi door hay, say 50 years.
One thing for sure if our economies come closer like US and Canada, Lahore will again be the Capital, you know why "Lahore Lahore hay" because it collected the brains of subcontinent for 6 centuries and a very strong gene pool still resides there to rule it again, it is dormant fpr now
 
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the most amusing thing to read on PDF is Indian's views of themselves. you couldnt even control Sri Lanka and talking about economically controlling Pakistan. Abhi Dili door hay Banya! kafi door hay, say 50 years.
One thing for sure if our economies come closer like US and Canada, Lahore will again be the Capital, you know why "Lahore Lahore hay" because it collected the brains of subcontinent for 6 centuries and a very strong gene pool still resides there to rule it again, it is dormant fpr now

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...ia-can-t-say-no-pakistan-6.html#ixzz26x9C47ty


I am a Proud Pakistani and A very Proud Kashmiri, one Thing i cannot Understand is why do people of South Asia (INDO/PAK) Both sometimes behave as Children even though they are Grown Men! why fight who will be in Control and what not and what not! Lahore a capital or Dehli, Mumbai, Dhaka or Naypyidaw People should have enough common sense to avoid confrontation and think logically no Wise person cares if Riyad is the capital or Jeddah, if Beijing is the Capital or Shanghai Moscow or Sant pertersberg . Point is jeddah is yours riyad is your beijing is yours and shanghai is also yours, GOD makes Nations Satanic Fools Divide them!
 
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Big BS .... only say yes to plabisite in Kashmir as per uno resolutions.

An India that can’t say no to Pakistan!


Did India act in haste in endorsing a relaxed visa policy with Pakistan? Should not it have audited the real outcome of the earlier Confidence Building Measures (CBMs) in context of continued support to anti-India activities latest being the cyber war launched from across the border?

Or, did India just do the right thing by putting history behind it, to seek a cordial future with its neighbour? The verdict on the vexed debate persists even as hope floats that somehow or the other the warring nations find love together.

India and Pakistan have signed a liberalised visa regime during external affairs minister SM Krishna’s recent visit to Pakistan. Not surprisingly, the mood on both sides of the border is upbeat. More so, because the two sides were able to clinch a deal without succumbing to the weight of complex irritants such as terrorism, Jammu and Kashmir, Siachen and Sir Creek and water issues.

The optimism is palpable. Dr Rajiv Kumar, Secretary General, industry body FICCI, asserts, “The easing of the visa regime is unlike any other CBM as it facilitates the visit of and interaction amongst the businessmen of the two countries. The only way to prevent the relations between the two countries from being held hostage to the past fundamentalist actions is to improve the economic ties. The liberalisation of the visa regime and the reduction in the size of the negative list for cross-border trade will contribute directly to that.” He is sure not to mention the flip flop on MFN status by Pakistan, perhaps, not to spoil the mood.

While better and peaceful ties with Islamabad are desirable, it doesn’t take more than common sense to spot the dichotomy in the engagement strategy with Pakistan. On one hand India is keen to show Pakistan to unfaithful on the 9/11 probe as also its failure to reign in terror modules, and on the other we shake hands in public view and seek visa opening up as a landmark step to engage Pakistan to hopefully help it seem merit in India’s terror concerns.

But a contrarian argument reads the riot act. With Pakistan reeling under the weight of its own mess in Afghanistan, domestic instability, worsening economic situation and diplomatic isolation especially American indifference and restrictions on aid; shouldn’t New Delhi have posed hard to bargain? Instead, we might have conceded yet another vista for anti-India elements in Pakistan to enter the country or at least make a recce of targets.:angry: :tdown:

Deep K Datta-Ray, a Singapore-based independent researcher on diplomacy sounds optimistic and avers that Krishna and the Prime Minister, the main architect behind recent peace manoeuvres be commended for the recent trip.

With Indian establishment sort of de-linking terrorism from talks, Pakistan’s strategy has even started paying initial dividends. :angry::angry: In fact, the word “terror” was not mentioned during the joint briefing in Islamabad. In fact, Pakistan with a glamorous and determined Hina Rabbani Khar seemed to have gained an upper hand when she said that “both sides should not be held hostage to history.”

She had earlier made it clear that Pakistan is keen to host Prime Minister Manmohan Singh without any conditions. What adds insult to injury is that our foreign affairs establishment is terming Krishna’s visit a success when the only time the word "terror" in Mumbai terror attacks' context found mention was in the joint statement.


The failure to see any genuine assurance from Pakistan’s side to bring 26/11 perpetrators to book will only sustain the common criticism levelled against India-Pakistan dialogues as moving in circles and hardly producing any tangible result. Unless there is definite progress on the ground, what’s the purpose of holding these talks?

Datta-Ray too wants to see Pakistan deliver more. He says, “For these initiatives to actually work on the ground, Pakistan has to be able to demonstrate that it too can match India.” But when it comes to Pakistan, many believe that even India has limited options.

Happymon Jacob, assistant professor at Jawaharlal Nehru University’s School of International Studies agrees that past experiences with Pakistan weren’t good and scepticism with any dialogue process is bound to creep. Yet he maintains that “sometimes process is itself the product” and “it is better to be talking to each other peacefully and graciously, even when there is not tangible outcome in sight, than working to sabotage each other.”

True, a divided Pakistan doesn’t augur well for India and talking is better than not talking at all with a nuclear-armed neighbour which many see on the verge of becoming a failed state. Ignoring Pakistan’s civilian regime for long will further alienate them from the masses which are falling prey to Islamist radicals increasingly becoming the mainstream. Increasing trade and commerce will help to create peace dividend and reduce focus on political disputes.

“The choice for Indian diplomacy is dual. We can discuss with Pakistan issues that are highly charged and extremely difficult to unravel. But this will take us nowhere because we will continue to pander to history and unfortunately there is very little in that history to make for reconciliation or to solve the problems that plague us today,”
explains Datta-Ray.


An India that can
 
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the most amusing thing to read on PDF is Indian's views of themselves. you couldnt even control Sri Lanka and talking about economically controlling Pakistan. Abhi Dili door hay Banya! kafi door hay, say 50 years.
One thing for sure if our economies come closer like US and Canada, Lahore will again be the Capital, you know why "Lahore Lahore hay" because it collected the brains of subcontinent for 6 centuries and a very strong gene pool still resides there to rule it again, it is dormant fpr now

From the strong gene pool, you kicked out 50% of lahore population consisting of hindus and sikhs during partition. Now most remaining are mullahs who will take out huge protests for person injured in Palestine while stay inside homes when shias and hazaras are murdered in Pakistan.
 
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the most amusing thing to read on PDF is Indian's views of themselves. you couldnt even control Sri Lanka and talking about economically controlling Pakistan. Abhi Dili door hay Banya! kafi door hay, say 50 years.
One thing for sure if our economies come closer like US and Canada, Lahore will again be the Capital, you know why "Lahore Lahore hay" because it collected the brains of subcontinent for 6 centuries and a very strong gene pool still resides there to rule it again, it is dormant fpr now

Sorry, to be really honest Pakistan doesnt have the human resources either to be the 'capital' for anything. Your educational institutions are nowhere close to even ours, let alone compete globally.
And your post reflects the education that Pakistan provides - void of critical thinking abilities.

And FYI you just disrespected indushek. He may or maynot be Baniya. He may or maynot be a Hindu at all. It reflects you being a Pakistani, is natural to disrespect people of other religions.

you indians -- instead of bantering and blabbering - should acknowledge moves made by Pakistan

not limited to just MFN status for india

We acknowledge the moves made by Pakistan. We also acknowledge the reason why those moves are allowed by the Pakistani Army. Its because your nation and your army are isolated now. You need a friendly east. Your army has also finally started to figure out that you cannot take any territory from India by military action or terrorism.

Lets not for a moment assume PA is allowing things due to goodness in their hearts!
 
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the most amusing thing to read on PDF is Indian's views of themselves. you couldnt even control Sri Lanka and talking about economically controlling Pakistan. Abhi Dili door hay Banya! kafi door hay, say 50 years.
One thing for sure if our economies come closer like US and Canada, Lahore will again be the Capital, you know why "Lahore Lahore hay" because it collected the brains of subcontinent for 6 centuries and a very strong gene pool still resides there to rule it again, it is dormant fpr now

Dear xyxmt

Please understand that i am not talking about controlling your economy nor ur country. I am saying that if the economic relations strengthen between us we will not have to depend on some third country for making u i.e. Pakistan aware of Indian concerns so that needed actions are taken. So the referrrence of 2008 when India could only huff and puff and make hue and cry in International arena. The only thing achieved was ur image was tarnished, but we Indians didn't get the justice we needed. Trade could discourage such adventures.

If Lahore or whatever city develops it is good for Pakistan and its residents along with Indians as we will also make money.

I am a Brahmin, Banya is a seperate caste. Not that i am offended by the Banya term as they are masters in business and i respect them for their business accumen.

Fifty years is a long term and a decade or two would be enough to make each other atleast concerned for this relation.
 
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I am a Proud Pakistani and A very Proud Kashmiri, one Thing i cannot Understand is why do people of South Asia (INDO/PAK) Both sometimes behave as Children even though they are Grown Men! why fight who will be in Control and what not and what not! Lahore a capital or Dehli, Mumbai, Dhaka or Naypyidaw People should have enough common sense to avoid confrontation and think logically no Wise person cares if Riyad is the capital or Jeddah, if Beijing is the Capital or Shanghai Moscow or Sant pertersberg . Point is jeddah is yours riyad is your beijing is yours and shanghai is also yours, GOD makes Nations Satanic Fools Divide them!


looks like martians have landed, but i applaud your enthusiasm unfortunately world doesnt work like that and its mostly screwed up by the most grown ups.

In the ideal world people would be hugging and kissing each other and there will be no professional/racial/communal jealousy and competition, there would be no competition and everyone will be sitting on their lazy ***** not caring if others are getting ahead of them. this world would have been a real f'ed place.
 
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Dear xyxmt

Please understand that i am not talking about controlling your economy nor ur country. I am saying that if the economic relations strengthen between us we will not have to depend on some third country for making u i.e. Pakistan aware of Indian concerns so that needed actions are taken. So the referrrence of 2008 when India could only huff and puff and make hue and cry in International arena. The only thing achieved was ur image was tarnished, but we Indians didn't get the justice we needed. Trade could discourage such adventures.

If Lahore or whatever city develops it is good for Pakistan and its residents along with Indians as we will also make money.

I am a Brahmin, Banya is a seperate caste. Not that i am offended by the Banya term as they are masters in business and i respect them for their business accumen.

Fifty years is a long term and a decade or two would be enough to make each other atleast concerned for this relation.

for that I Agree with you, its just our wishful thinking and some wishes do come true some time.
 
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Sorry, to be really honest Pakistan doesnt have the human resources either to be the 'capital' for anything. Your educational institutions are nowhere close to even ours, let alone compete globally.
And your post reflects the education that Pakistan provides - void of critical thinking abilities.

And FYI you just disrespected indushek. He may or maynot be Baniya. He may or maynot be a Hindu at all. It reflects you being a Pakistani, is natural to disrespect people of other religions.



We acknowledge the moves made by Pakistan. We also acknowledge the reason why those moves are allowed by the Pakistani Army. Its because your nation and your army are isolated now. You need a friendly east. Your army has also finally started to figure out that you cannot take any territory from India by military action or terrorism.

Lets not for a moment assume PA is allowing things due to goodness in their hearts!

since when calling someone Banya is disrespectful, are banyas bad people?
bye the way my education was provided in the US and we all know the standard of their education, so please accept my apologies for being dumb in my post, its not my fault I thought i was coming to US for better education but it cant even match your education
 
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peace should come but when we can not have peace here then how can we have peace between both countries ?
Whatever i don't want peace in cost of any anti-Indian activities.
As we are neighbor, we should have better relationship, but we also can not ignore our country interest.
So better to recognize each other to lead relationship in 1 direction.... Friend ? Neutral ? or enemy ?
At lest then life ll be much simple.
 
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I am a Proud Pakistani and A very Proud Kashmiri, one Thing i cannot Understand is why do people of South Asia (INDO/PAK) Both sometimes behave as Children even though they are Grown Men! why fight who will be in Control and what not and what not! Lahore a capital or Dehli, Mumbai, Dhaka or Naypyidaw People should have enough common sense to avoid confrontation and think logically no Wise person cares if Riyad is the capital or Jeddah, if Beijing is the Capital or Shanghai Moscow or Sant pertersberg . Point is jeddah is yours riyad is your beijing is yours and shanghai is also yours, GOD makes Nations Satanic Fools Divide them!
Original Post By CYNOX

looks like martians have landed, but i applaud your enthusiasm unfortunately world doesnt work like that and its mostly screwed up by the most grown ups.

In the ideal world people would be hugging and kissing each other and there will be no professional/racial/communal jealousy and competition, there would be no competition and everyone will be sitting on their lazy ***** not caring if others are getting ahead of them. this world would have been a real f'ed place.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...ia-can-t-say-no-pakistan-6.html#ixzz27EcwJ0TD

Look at this in INDO PAKISTAN contex we were a single country for more than 2000 years and before that we splitted just 60 years Ago. History repeats its self. even though we might not be able to unite under 1 ruling party or under the same system but we can most definitly form a UNION. just like european Union , USA , North American currency Union. Heck may be possibly like Soviet Union. its a win win for AFGHANISTAN PAKISTAN INDIA AND FOR THE SMALLER STATES LIKE SRI LANKA BANGLADESH NEPAL BHUTAN MAY BE EVEN BURMA POSSIBLY
 
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Its not only a Wish , Its in my every Prayer and i Work for it as Per my resources and circumstances Every South Asian Should do the same Prayers and Try . Nothing is Impossible if there is a want for it. its a necessity now. World has advanced Light years from us now. we use to be A proud and Prosperous People. Doing inventions Leading the Region. Look at us now since the British came and Left us Divided, with unsettled Disputes. its only we who can resolve them no other third party should be involved we Can and will Rise again. Provided if the People of the Region Think the same

Otherwise We are Doomed Just as nations Before us.
We gotta Ask ourselves this question did we really Need Martians in this case aliens (USA) to come and Threaten us Before we came to our senses?
 
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Its not only a Wish , Its in my every Prayer and i Work for it as Per my resources and circumstances Every South Asian Should do the same Prayers and Try . Nothing is Impossible if there is a want for it. its a necessity now. World has advanced Light years from us now. we use to be A proud and Prosperous People. Doing inventions Leading the Region. Look at us now since the British came and Left us Divided, with unsettled Disputes. its only we who can resolve them no other third party should be involved we Can and will Rise again. Provided if the People of the Region Think the same

Otherwise We are Doomed Just as nations Before us.
We gotta Ask ourselves this question did we really Need Martians in this case aliens (USA) to come and Threaten us Before we came to our senses?
Why think so small my friend, why not think global. We can have good relation with all countries including america.
The economic union of european states is not a success story. I am all for visa free travel though.
 
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