An India that can’t say no to Pakistan!

[Chinese-Dragon]

However MMS just wants to visit his birthplace often, don't know he thought of above in anyway.

How can a person not love the place in which he was born?

That's why you have to be born in America to be eligible for the job of US President. No dual loyalties.

 

[Bang Galore]

What if Pakistan wants to block oil ships coming through its territorial waters. Im sure if maybe doesnt affect India, but it defintently affects China, which is your biggest trading partner. Guess what sonny, if China doesnt get to trade with the Middle East, then her economy will faint, and no money for India. So in a way, you do depend on Pakistan. Sort of like the butterfly effect. Be careful, we control the world.

See how important Pakistan is?

My head is still spinning from trying to comprehend this super brilliant theory.......

 

[Contrarian]

What if Pakistan wants to block oil ships coming through its territorial waters. Im sure if maybe doesnt affect India, but it defintently affects China, which is your biggest trading partner. Guess what sonny, if China doesnt get to trade with the Middle East, then her economy will faint, and no money for India. So in a way, you do depend on Pakistan. Sort of like the butterfly effect. Be careful, we control the world.

See how important Pakistan is?

As a matter of fact - no you cannot block international oil routes. Even India cannot. Blocking oil routes is directly inviting USN along with other allied nations to attack the offending country. Please check UNCLOS.

So now. Pakistan is important for access to & from Afghanistan and CAR's. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Roybot]

My head is still spinning from trying to comprehend this super brilliant theory.......

Icewolf wants Pakistan to block China's oil supply, which in turn will apparently kill China's economy and that will somehow affect India's economy since India-China bilateral relationship is at around $70 Billion. That fact that India runs a trade deficit with China obviously doesn't count in Icewolf's plan.

Tl;dr Everyone should be scared of Pakistan and its importance.

 

[KRAIT]

@Roybot

Its one of the most strange strategy I have ever read. Trade deficit, yours 2 word answer is correct. Period.

 

[cyphercide]

China doesn't certainly have the head ache of cross border "love". Also they don't suffer the 'inferiority complex' our govt seems to be suffering wrt China.

Depends on whose narrative you choose to lend credence to. There are plenty of moves that China terms as 'hostile' to their security. With regard to the inferiority complex, India is doing a fairly commendable job vis-a-vis China. We may not be directly confronting them but neither is China. We hold up our bit of the bargain by asserting free navigation of the SCS and the continued support for the exiled government of Tibet.

All this chutzpah dissolves into thin air when handling Pakistan comes into the picture. No nation, regardless of it's size or stature, allows insolence of this magnitude to go unquestioned;

Pak foreign minister starts India visit by meeting Kashmiri separatists - Times Of India

Yes, a Pakistani minister broke protocol and met with separatists right under India's watch. She should've been packed off on the very next flight but we chose to downplay the entire affair. Posturing of such kind is downright detrimental to India's interests as it concedes ground to Pakistan for no reciprocation of benefit to India.

Also, our level of seriousness in keeping the focus on the cross border "loving'' has a demonstrative effect on other nations to base their response. Why should the United States be motivated to go after Hafiz Saeed or the LET if India has scant interest in the same? What stops Russia from arming Islamabad if it's all smiles and hugs on the India-Pakistan front? Who's to say that smaller nations will not start leveraging it's relation with Pakistan in order to extract concessions from us? Nothing occurs in a state of geopolitical vacuum and sooner or later, their self interests will kick in before their camaraderie to India. This is the thin edge of the wedge we seem to be completely forgoing.

 

[PlanetWarrior]

I can't understand why Indians hype over India-Pakistan bi-lateral relations. We get them to invest in India and they let us invest in their country. They are currently busy and will be busy for the next 20 or so years fighting amongst themselves in various parts of their country. They still have to sort out who is a true Muslim and who isn't and thereafter there still remains the vexing situation of them converting all them infidel Yindoos , Sikhs , Christians etc in their country to the one true form of Islam (which they still have to define). Afghanistan is still a bummer to them and their sugar daddy Uncle Sam is now cutting down on their annual allowance. Most Pakistani posters here seem to echo the same sentiment..India is the least of our concerns, not because of a new found love for Hindustan but for the reason that they are way too busy self fragmenting. Give them visas. Give them trade rights. Let their politicans speak to Kashmiri separists. Who cares. Just milk them financially India..while they exist that is

 

[xyxmt]

Pakistanis love Indian banana....how Indian can say no to Pakistani

phir kutch boloon ga to boley ga ke bolta hay, pakistani grow much bigger bananas

 

[indushek]

Depends on whose narrative you choose to lend credence to. There are plenty of moves that China terms as 'hostile' to their security. With regard to the inferiority complex, India is doing a fairly commendable job vis-a-vis China. We may not be directly confronting them but neither is China. We hold up our bit of the bargain by asserting free navigation of the SCS and the continued support for the exiled government of Tibet.

All this chutzpah dissolves into thin air when handling Pakistan comes into the picture. No nation, regardless of it's size or stature, allows insolence of this magnitude to go unquestioned;

Pak foreign minister starts India visit by meeting Kashmiri separatists - Times Of India

Yes, a Pakistani minister broke protocol and met with separatists right under India's watch. She should've been packed off on the very next flight but we chose to downplay the entire affair. Posturing of such kind is downright detrimental to India's interests as it concedes ground to Pakistan for no reciprocation of benefit to India.

Also, our level of seriousness in keeping the focus on the cross border "loving'' has a demonstrative effect on other nations to base their response. Why should the United States be motivated to go after Hafiz Saeed or the LET if India has scant interest in the same? What stops Russia from arming Islamabad if it's all smiles and hugs on the India-Pakistan front? Who's to say that smaller nations will not start leveraging it's relation with Pakistan in order to extract concessions from us? Nothing occurs in a state of geopolitical vacuum and sooner or later, their self interests will kick in before their camaraderie to India. This is the thin edge of the wedge we seem to be completely forgoing.

Yes the answer to this 'love' lies in the inability of our diplomats and leaders in finding answers to these insolences. It is not a surprise that we are always reactive and are caught with our pants down.

Under these facts may be this jhappa jhappi atleast covers the deficiency to some extent and saves face.

 

[xyxmt]

I commend India for taking extra steps for confidence building but i have to say it is in their own interest that relationship between Pakistan and India normalize. India knows if Pakistan falls into deeper trouble then that trouble will come knocking on its door also and they have the foresight to recognize it unlike our useless leaders. This is why the world respects India, for taking right steps at the right time.

I had a hard time admitting when India is right but i did it, it wasnt so bad

 

[indushek]

I can't understand why Indians hype over India-Pakistan bi-lateral relations. We get them to invest in India and they let us invest in their country. They are currently busy and will be busy for the next 20 or so years fighting amongst themselves in various parts of their country. They still have to sort out who is a true Muslim and who isn't and thereafter there still remains the vexing situation of them converting all them infidel Yindoos , Sikhs , Christians etc in their country to the one true form of Islam (which they still have to define). Afghanistan is still a bummer to them and their sugar daddy Uncle Sam is now cutting down on their annual allowance. Most Pakistani posters here seem to echo the same sentiment..India is the least of our concerns, not because of a new found love for Hindustan but for the reason that they are way too busy self fragmenting. Give them visas. Give them trade rights. Let their politicans speak to Kashmiri separists. Who cares. Just milk them financially India..while they exist that is

Warrior babu don't say that we will not be affected by the fragmentation if ur scenario does happen.

 

[indushek]

How can a person not love the place in which he was born?

That's why you have to be born in America to be eligible for the job of US President. No dual loyalties.

Yes that can be understood but here it is at the cost of his country so worrisome

 

[PlanetWarrior]

Warrior babu don't say that we will not be affected by the fragmentation if ur scenario does happen.

Well if they do fragment, we should start bi-lateral talks with all of their various leaders to commence trade with them. I can see the future billboard now in New Delhi ..."Bank of Taliban opening soon .. no interest charged on overdrafts ! "

 

[Contrarian]

Depends on whose narrative you choose to lend credence to. There are plenty of moves that China terms as 'hostile' to their security. With regard to the inferiority complex, India is doing a fairly commendable job vis-a-vis China. We may not be directly confronting them but neither is China. We hold up our bit of the bargain by asserting free navigation of the SCS and the continued support for the exiled government of Tibet.

All this chutzpah dissolves into thin air when handling Pakistan comes into the picture. No nation, regardless of it's size or stature, allows insolence of this magnitude to go unquestioned;

Pak foreign minister starts India visit by meeting Kashmiri separatists - Times Of India

Yes, a Pakistani minister broke protocol and met with separatists right under India's watch. She should've been packed off on the very next flight but we chose to downplay the entire affair. Posturing of such kind is downright detrimental to India's interests as it concedes ground to Pakistan for no reciprocation of benefit to India.

Also, our level of seriousness in keeping the focus on the cross border "loving'' has a demonstrative effect on other nations to base their response. Why should the United States be motivated to go after Hafiz Saeed or the LET if India has scant interest in the same? What stops Russia from arming Islamabad if it's all smiles and hugs on the India-Pakistan front? Who's to say that smaller nations will not start leveraging it's relation with Pakistan in order to extract concessions from us? Nothing occurs in a state of geopolitical vacuum and sooner or later, their self interests will kick in before their camaraderie to India. This is the thin edge of the wedge we seem to be completely forgoing.

Wait. Let them do anything along with opening up their economy for us. Let us have some of their key industries such that our economic sanctions hurt. THEN we can choose to play hard. As of now, they are insulated from our actions.

Then you can have Manmohan meet baloch leaders and they still wont be able to do anything about it.

 

[Bukhari.syed]

Then you can have Manmohan meet baloch leaders and they still wont be able to do anything about it.

Shows the real intentions of India about Pakistan.
You should remember Kashmir is an international issue and seen as disputed area but Balochistan is a province of Pakistan and meeting BLA means directly going against sovereignty of Pakistan.....