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Americans Giving Up Passports Jump Sixfold as Tougher Rules Loom

Americans renouncing U.S. citizenship surged sixfold in the second quarter from a year earlier as the government prepares to introduce tougher asset-disclosure rules.

Expatriates giving up their nationality at U.S. embassies climbed to 1,131 in the three months through June from 189 in the year-earlier period, according to Federal Register figures published today. That brought the first-half total to 1,810 compared with 235 for the whole of 2008.

The U.S., the only nation in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development that taxes citizens wherever they reside, is searching for tax cheats in offshore centers, including Switzerland, as the government tries to curb the budget deficit. Shunned by Swiss and German banks and facing tougher asset-disclosure rules under the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act, more of the estimated 6 million Americans living overseas are weighing the cost of holding a U.S. passport.

"With the looming deadline for Fatca, more and more U.S. citizens are becoming aware that they have U.S. tax reporting obligations," said Matthew Ledvina, a U.S. tax lawyer at Anaford AG in Zurich. "Once aware, they decide to renounce their U.S. citizenship."

Fatca requires foreign financial institutions to report to the Internal Revenue Service information about financial accounts held by U.S. taxpayers, or held by foreign entities in which U.S. taxpayers hold a substantial ownership interest. It was estimated to generate $8.7 billion over 10 years, according to the congressional Joint Committee on Taxation.

Delaying Implementation

The 2010 Fatca law requires banks to withhold 30 percent from "certain U.S.-connected payments" to some accounts of American clients who don't disclose enough information to the IRS. While banks can sign agreements to report to the IRS individually, many are precluded from doing so by privacy laws in their jurisdictions.

The Treasury Department last month announced that the IRS will delay the start of Fatca by six months until July 1, 2014, to give foreign banks time to comply with the law. The extension of the act follows a previous one-year delay announced in 2011.

Financial institutions including Canada's Toronto-Dominion Bank (TD) and Allianz SE of Germany have expressed concerns that Fatca is too complex.

The latest delay comes after the Swiss government agreed in February to simplifications that will help the country's banks implement Fatca.

Penalty Threat

"The United States wishes to ensure that all income earned worldwide by U.S. taxpayers on accounts held abroad can be taxed by the United States," the Swiss government said on April 10.

Since 2011, Americans, who disclose their non-U.S. bank accounts to the IRS, must file the more expansive 8938 form that asks for all foreign financial assets, including insurance contracts, loans and shareholdings in non-UNN.S. companies.

Failure to file the 8938 form can result in a fine of as much as $50,000. Clients can also be penalized half the amount in an undeclared foreign bank account under the Banks Secrecy Act of 1970.

The implementation of Fatca from July next year comes after UBS, Switzerland's largest bank, paid a $780 million penalty in 2009 and handed over data on about 4,700 accounts to settle a tax-evasion dispute with the U.S. Whistle-blower Bradley Birkenfeld was sentenced to 40 months in a U.S. prison in 2009 after informing the government and Senate about his American clients at the Geneva branch of Zurich-based UBS AG.

Compliance Costs

The additional compliance costs for companies to ensure that Americans they hire are filing the correct U.S. tax returns and asset-declaration forms are at least $5,000 per person, said Ledvina.

For individuals, the costs are also rising. Getting a mortgage or acquiring life insurance is becoming almost impossible for American citizens living overseas, Ledvina said.

"With increased U.S. tax reporting, U.S. accounting costs alone are around $2,000 per year for a U.S. citizen residing abroad," the tax lawyer said. "Adding factors, such as difficulty in finding a bank to accept a U.S. citizen as a client, it is difficult to justify keeping the U.S. citizenship for those who reside permanently abroad."

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Taxing citizens living abroad!?

That's pathetic! Why should Americans pay tax for income they are not earning inside USA?

What's wrong with BO?

What is wrong with that? If you want the benefits of holding the passport, then you should also pay your taxes. Or give it up, as these people are doing. Simple.

(Please keep in mind that treaties to prevent double taxation exist as well.)
 
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Taxing citizens living abroad!?

That's pathetic! Why should Americans pay tax for income they are not earning inside USA?

What's wrong with BO?

Those are usually minimal. And are based on the understanding that you will return to the US eventually and ipso-facto wish to claim social security benefits which are generated on tax payer money. So, why should you be given freebies when you are old just because you lived abroad when essentially all the retirees "payed" for their social security during their employment years.
 
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Yara, I know more that two dozen Yanks who have renounced their US citizenship.... they have some crazy taxation system in the US..... you as an Indian try buying a house there, THEY WILL EVEN WANT TO TAX ALL OF YOUR INCOME ABROAD, although you are neither US citizen, now EVER worked for them..... I used to think Scandinavia was stupid on taxing..... but then I found out about the US system.... the whole damn country and the IRS have gone bonkers.... :blink: :girl_wacko:

Taxing citizens living abroad!?

That's pathetic! Why should Americans pay tax for income they are not earning inside USA?

What's wrong with BO?

Nahin yaar, I made my accountant go through the *fine print* it's NOTHING you may have experienced before...... there are certain clauses in the tax code, that if they wish, they could squeeze your balls and put them in the blender......

Those are usually minimal. And are based on the understanding that you will return to the US eventually and ipso-facto wish to claim social security benefits which are generated on tax payer money. So, why should you be given freebies when you are old just because you lived abroad when essentially all the retirees "payed" for their social security during their employment years.
 
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Yara, I know more that two dozen Yanks who have renounced their US citizenship.... they have some crazy taxation system in the US..... you as an Indian try buying a house there, THEY WILL EVEN WANT TO TAX ALL OF YOUR INCOME ABROAD, although you are neither US citizen, now EVER worked for them..... I used to think Scandinavia was stupid on taxing..... but then I found out about the US system.... the whole damn country and the IRS have gone bonkers.... :blink: :girl_wacko:



Nahin yaar, I made my accountant go through the *fine print* it's NOTHING you may have experienced before...... there are certain clauses in the tax code, that if they wish, they could squeeze your balls and put them in the blender......

A source for that claim please?
 
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No source... personal experience.... had accountant go through the tax code as I wanted to purchase something very insignificant there, something around 2008 - 2009.

A source for that claim please?

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What is wrong with that? If you want the benefits of holding the passport, then you should also pay your taxes. Or give it up, as these people are doing. Simple.

(Please keep in mind that treaties to prevent double taxation exist as well.)

India has double taxation treaty with most countries around the world.

But this sheer robbery dude. You're born in that country and that's why you hold that passport.

I just don't understand why do you have to pay separately.
 
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Their IRS are so courteous when they come in to audit you. They seem all concerned about you and try to reassure you. Then when they leave, you feel like you were just visited by a used car salesman :D
 
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Those are usually minimal. And are based on the understanding that you will return to the US eventually and ipso-facto wish to claim social security benefits which are generated on tax payer money. So, why should you be given freebies when you are old just because you lived abroad when essentially all the retirees "payed" for their social security during their employment years.

Oh yeah. I forgot, in US you have the thing for social benefits.

My bad. I was thinking from Indian context. :D

But you know, that's pretty unfair to tax income that they haven't made in US territory using USA facilities.
 
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Let me help you out here...... the correct word you were looking for was "feeling abused and discarded" :D

Their IRS are so courteous when they come in to audit you. They seem all concerned about you and try to reassure you. Then when they leave, you feel like you were just visited by a used car salesman :D
 
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Oh yeah. I forgot, in US you have the thing for social benefits.

My bad. I was thinking from Indian context. :D

But you know, that's pretty unfair to tax income that they haven't made in US territory using USA facilities.

It may be unfair in that context, but usually if you are regular with taxes.. they tend to ignore that.
 
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Let me help you out here...... the correct word you were looking for was "feeling abused and discarded" :D

Thank you. You took the words out of my mouth. The Yankee IRS usually leaves me speechless for a few months after I get a visit from them :D
 
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No source... personal experience.... had accountant go through the tax code as I wanted to purchase something very insignificant there, something around 2008 - 2009.



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That claim is erroneous. Only permanent residents and citizens are subject to the taxes. Foreign nationals buying property merely have to indicate the sources of the funds.

India has double taxation treaty with most countries around the world.

But this sheer robbery dude. You're born in that country and that's why you hold that passport.

I just don't understand why do you have to pay separately.

You do not pay separately. If the income earned abroad has paid taxes in that country, then those taxes are deducted and only the difference, if any, is owed. If that rate is higher, then nothing is due. The goal is to make sure that income is taxed fairly for all.
 
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Thank you. You took the words out of my mouth. The Yankee IRS usually leaves me speechless for a few months after I get a visit from them :D

The IRS visits you in Botswana? I don't think so.

It may be unfair in that context, but usually if you are regular with taxes.. they tend to ignore that.

It is not even Social Security taxes. If any US citizen earns more than $4500 in a year, no matter where, then it is mandatory to file a tax return. That return may be a simple form that shows no taxes due, but it must be filed.
 
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