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Airlines from 3 more countries comply with China's ADIZ rules

at least he shows up. where are em indians? they're the ones that jumpin up and down the most :lol:
LOL....What will India do if those countries comply......India is not the one who complied....
Chinese low IQ at display again.....
 
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India has complied too :)

The Delhi-Tokyo flight path which goes through the new Chinese ADIZ also goes through Chinese air space.....so, even before the declaration of the Chinese ADIZ, Air-India used to file its flight plans to Chinese authorities.....India didn't do anything new keeping the Chinese ADIZ in mind....

As for military aircrafts, India's stance is not clear yet...... "it remains unclear whether Indian military aircraft that may pass through the region in future will comply with China’s request."

AI flights ‘unaffected’ by Chinese air zone - The Hindu
 
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The Delhi-Tokyo flight path which goes through the new Chinese ADIZ also goes through Chinese air space.....so, even before the declaration of the Chinese ADIZ, Air-India used to file its flight plans to Chinese authorities.....India didn't do anything new keeping the Chinese ADIZ in mind....

As for military aircrafts, India's stance is not clear yet...... "it remains unclear whether Indian military aircraft that may pass through the region in future will comply with China’s request."
AI flights ‘unaffected’ by Chinese air zone - The Hindu

Ah okay :)
 
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As for military aircrafts, India's stance is not clear yet...... "it remains unclear whether Indian military aircraft that may pass through the region in future will comply with China’s request."
AI flights ‘unaffected’ by Chinese air zone - The Hindu


indian military aircraft powered by alien technology


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IAF 655 was before your time, youngster. If the same situation occurred for China, the outcome would still be the same. But I can see that you are afraid of looking up KAL 007, after all, it happened on that side of the world and in peace time at that.

Before my time? How would you know i wasn't around when it happened? First you need to wait for the first accident to happen before predicting a disaster caused by China. Peace or wartime KAL 007 and IAF 655 both serve as lesson for everyone. At least the Americans have already proven their competence already :)
 
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Before my time? How would you know i wasn't around when it happened?
I do not know, but I doubt that you were. Either that or you were too young to understand what happened. When KAL 007 happened, I on was active duty.

First you need to wait for the first accident to happen before predicting a disaster caused by China. Peace or wartime KAL 007 and IAF 655 both serve as lesson for everyone. At least the Americans have already proven their competence already :)
I was on active duty when both KAL 007 (1983) and IAF 655 (1988) occurred. You chose to speak of the latter out of convenience and ignorance. Aviation experts, even back then, concluded that there were no legitimate comparisons between the two sides: American and Soviet.

When IAF 655 was shot down, the airspace in that region was already under tension with alerts to airborne aircrafts, civilian and military, going on daily. Intellectually dishonest people like you always omitted that fact, equally dishonest is the argument using the word 'Aegis' as if the system back then is just as advanced as today. Avionics experts, which we can conclude you are not part of that community, know that is absurd.

KAL 007 was not shot down by a ground/ship based missile. It was shot down by a manned combat aircraft sent by ground controllers to investigate. But...

KAL Flight 007: How the Cold War fueled an unthinkable tragedy - CNN.com
No attempt was made to contact the airliner via radio. The Soviet pilots failed to follow "ICAO standards and recommended practices related to the interception of civil aircraft," the International Civil Aviation Organization report said.

Soviet command gave Osipovitch his instructions. "My orders were to destroy the intruder," Osipovitch remembered. "I fulfilled my mission."
Whereas the US tried to contact IAF 655 via radio many times over.

My prediction that the PLAAF will shoot down an airliner is based upon the public knowledge that the PLAAF have little experience at interception procedures, poor air discipline as shown by the Hainan Incident, the first ADIZ created, and just plain old Chinese arrogance despite those three facts.
 
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Intellectual dishonesty? Look who is talking comparing what happened during the Hainan incident with a prediction from an old senile that has yet to happen. First lets wait and see if your prediction comes true, if not then it says more about Chinese competence rather American competence who couldn't even distinguish a big plane from a fighter plane.
 
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Intellectual dishonesty? Look who is talking comparing what happened during the Hainan incident with a prediction from an old senile that has yet to happen. First lets wait and see if your prediction comes true, if not then it says more about Chinese competence rather American competence who couldn't even distinguish a big plane from a fighter plane.
Hmmm...Looks like the concept of a 'prediction' is beyond your intellect.
 
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Hmmm...Looks like the concept of a 'prediction' is beyond your intellect.

Your concept of prediction differs from everybody's that is as you assume the Hainan incident automatically translates to bad Chinese pilots and every Chinese pilots will cause a tragedy. Now don't try to deny you didn't want to convey this message. Intellectual dishonesty coming from you is a joke.
 
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Your concept of prediction differs from everybody's that is as you assume the Hainan incident automatically translates to bad Chinese pilots and every Chinese pilots will cause a tragedy. Now don't try to deny you didn't want to convey this message. Intellectual dishonesty coming from you is a joke.
That is YOUR translation. Not mine. And you obviously do have difficulty understanding the concept of a prediction.

But if it is that difficult for you, I will try to make it easier: Based upon the fact that this ADIZ is China's first, which mean that China have no experience in the maintenance of such, that the PLAAF have a history of poor air discipline of its pilots outside of territorial airspace, and that this new ADIZ was created in a high air traffic area, the odds (not certainty) of a tragedy caused by the PLAAF increases.

Here is why what China did, and that using the American ADIZ as an excuse, bothered professionals ALL OVER THE WORLD...

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The contention is not that China created an ADIZ. China have just as much right to create an ADIZ as the US, Japan, or South Korea did. The contention is about the rules that accompanied the ADIZ.

Do you understand -- the rules? China should not have used the American ADIZ rules as template. That is SHOULD NOT, not 'cannot'. Do you understand the difference?

We have three flights: A B C.

If you are flight A, you must have a filed flight plan with the US.

If you are flight C, you do not need a filed flight plan.

If you are flight B, there are issues:

- If your intention is to enter US domestic airspace, then you must have a filed flight plan, and if you do, then why are you deviating?

- If your intention is to fly to Central/South America, then what are you doing in the American ADIZ in the first place?

- If your departure point is from inside US territory or from inside the ADIZ, then you must have a filed flight plan, so where is it?

The geography of the US/Canada territory DOES NOT have any allowances for flying to Central/South America by way of the American ADIZ. Can you see why? There are flights from Europe to Central/South American countries everyday and the only time any of them need to file a flight plan with US is when a flight need to enter US domestic airspace, as in flight A.

The Chinese ADIZ rules requires all flights to file flight plans with China regardless of final destination or the need to enter Chinese domestic airspace. When countries are in close geographical proximity to each other, as how Asian countries are, any kind of rules intended for high traffic air corridors should not be declared without consultation with ESTABLISHED aviation countries in the region, in other words, Japan and South Korea were aviation powers before China was and they have used that corridor for decades without molestation.

China have every right for national security reasons that no one can challenge to established that ADIZ, but China should have consulted with established aviation powers, which includes the US, prior to creating and declaring that ADIZ. Odds are good that the rules would not have pissed off tens of thousands of aviation professionals, from pilots to attorneys to administrators. Probably not one of you have ever been in the cockpit of an aircraft, let alone be flying one and be responsible for a couple hundreds human beings, and here you, and the other Chinese members, are telling those professionals they are stupid.

This is why the odds of a tragedy will increase. But hey, according to Internet Chinese members who declared themselves aviation 'experts' despite barely able to tell the difference between a screwdriver and a hammer, all carriers have to do is email the flight plans and problems solved.
 
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Whereas the US tried to contact IAF 655 via radio many times over.

Not entirely true. Even Americans would agree.

International investigations concluded that the crew of IR655 assumed that the three calls that they received before the missiles struck must have been directed at an Iranian P-3 Orion

Throughout its final flight, IR655 was in radio contact with various air traffic control services using standard civil aviation frequencies, and had spoken in English to Bandar Abbas Approach Control seconds before the Vincennes launched its missiles. According to the U.S. Navy investigation the Vincennes at that time had no equipment suitable for monitoring civil aviation frequencies, other than the International Air Distress frequency. Subsequently U.S. Navy warships in the area were equipped with dialable VHF radios, and access to flight plan information was sought, to better track commercial airliners.

"The data from USS Vincennes tapes, information from USS Sides and reliable intelligence information, corroborate the fact that [Iran Air Flight 655] was on a normal commercial air flight plan profile, in the assigned airway, squawking Mode III 6760, on a continuous ascent in altitude from take-off at Bandar Abbas to shoot-down."

In total 290 civilians on board (including 38 non-Iranians and 66 children) were killed.:cry:
 
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Not entirely true. Even Americans would agree.

International investigations concluded that the crew of IR655 assumed that the three calls that they received before the missiles struck must have been directed at an Iranian P-3 Orion
Talk about a serious lack of critical thinking.

If IAF 655 assumed that the calls were directed at someone else, it STILL meant that the US tried to make contact. And that was the point.
 
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Talk about a serious lack of critical thinking.

If IAF 655 assumed that the calls were directed at someone else, it STILL meant that the US tried to make contact. And that was the point.

Yea....classy...Keep it coming.

The official ICAO report stated that ten attempts were made to contact Iran Air flight 655: seven on military frequencies and three on commercial frequencies, addressed to an "unidentified Iranian aircraft" and giving its speed as 350 knots (650 km/h), which was the ground speed of the aircraft their radar reported. The crew of the Iran Air 655, however, would have seen a speed of 300 knots (560 km/h) on their controls, which was their indicated airspeed, possibly leading them to conclude that the Vincennes was talking to another aircraft.

Using air distress communication channel, giving wrong speed.


The crew in the Vincennes CIC could not agree amongst themselves if the aircraft was ascending or descending. This seems[who?] to have happened because the Airbus' original Link 11 track, number 4474, had been replaced by the Sides track, number 4131, when the computer recognised them as one and the same. Shortly thereafter, track 4474 was re-assigned by the system to an American A-6, several hundred miles away, which was following a descending course at the time. Apparently not all the crew in the CIC realized the track number had been switched on them.
 
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Yea....classy...Keep it coming.

The official ICAO report stated that ten attempts were made to contact Iran Air flight 655: seven on military frequencies and three on commercial frequencies, addressed to an "unidentified Iranian aircraft" and giving its speed as 350 knots (650 km/h), which was the ground speed of the aircraft their radar reported. The crew of the Iran Air 655, however, would have seen a speed of 300 knots (560 km/h) on their controls, which was their indicated airspeed, possibly leading them to conclude that the Vincennes was talking to another aircraft.

Using air distress communication channel, giving wrong speed.


The crew in the Vincennes CIC could not agree amongst themselves if the aircraft was ascending or descending. This seems[who?] to have happened because the Airbus' original Link 11 track, number 4474, had been replaced by the Sides track, number 4131, when the computer recognised them as one and the same. Shortly thereafter, track 4474 was re-assigned by the system to an American A-6, several hundred miles away, which was following a descending course at the time. Apparently not all the crew in the CIC realized the track number had been switched on them.
Let me guess, you believe that indicated airspeed and ground speed must agree? :lol:

But never mind that little technical error on your part. The issue here is the difference between IAF 655 and KAL 007 and which situation is most likely to happen in this new Chinese ADIZ. See post 41 on why I think a 'KAL 007'.
 
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