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You are basically saying just because J-8II is a small airplane it is supposed to be agile at all speed, which is not true at all.
You are still being absurd. What you thought I said is your interpretation. When professionals the world over criticized Wang, it was with the understanding that he was in the more agile aircraft that have the capability to respond to get out of situations much quicker than larger aircrafts. How that agile fighter got into a near stall condition is not the issue. Of course I can put an F-16 into a near stall condition -- if I wanted to. But if I am going to fly next to a larger aircraft in a formation and that I need to be at near stall, there is no reason for me to put myself into unnecessary danger by flying at near stall, where my aircraft's responses will be far less than normal, and flying so close to the larger aircraft.
It was not about the technical aspects of the aircraft but about
AIRMANSHIP. Do you understand?
You might spend something with some aircrafts on the ground, but I also spent many long hours with different aircraft's models in the wing tunnel to the aerodynamic characteristics a various speed. Planes such as J-8II with delta wing design doesn't handle itself very well at low speed, especially near its stall speed where it has to have a very high AoA in order to maintain its aerodynamic equilibrium which it is very possible that its air intake design could not provide enough air flow for its engine. Those are just the a few drewbacks of J-8II's design that limit its agility at low speed. That is why aircraft such as F-111 uses variable geometric wing design to address this problem at low speed where delta wing design is aerodynamically most efficient for high speed flight.
I do not need any lesson in aerodynamics from you. Even if I am in an F-111, I still would not fly as close as Wang did.
Here let me make myself clear again, I never accused that it was EP-3 caused the collision because J-8II was not manueverable. I am just saying that whatever manuever Wang wanted to pull over there, he could not succeed in accomplish it with J-8II.
Utter BS. If Wang was in an F-16 and flew as he did, the outcome would probably still be the same -- he would die.
Oh, yes. People are so critical of Tsymbal where in UK you can even get a scaled model of Su-27 dedicated to Tsymbal's one that was involved in the collision with P-3B. It even is detailed enough to include its damaged tail fin from that incident. I won't be surprised that it includes the P-3B kill sign as part of its paint.
Fan boys. Try professionals and see what they say.
That is what I call mission accomplished.
Yup...Instead of using his weapons, he used collision. Real smart.
I never said those recon plane were in soviet airspace at the time of the incident, but they were with in the vacinity as their regular routine. Here can you vouch for the US government that those recon airplanes never once violated Soviet airspace either intentional or unintentionally during their service? That is why you shouldn't fly your spy planes around other countries airspace where commercial flight frequently passes.
If both military and non-military aircrafts are in international airspace,
IT IS YOUR BURDEN TO DISTINGUISH OUT THE TWO. Yes, both aircrafts have their own responsibilities to ID themselves as to what they are, and if you are satisfied with what they presented you leave them to their business, but if you are not satisfied and want to take actions against the military aircraft, it is your burden to make positive ID when the situation involves high traffic corridors.
For the Hainan Incident, China is clearly at fault here.
Espionage are done covertly, and there are consequences once you are caught and there are hard evidences against you. If US government has any hard evidence against China's espionage, then I have no problem of US take any action against it, but in this case what US is doing is with this I am doing it right in your face attitude that really gets me off.
Buddy...The fact that the US military does it in the open is a positive sign. It means you know the positive ID of the actors, where they are at, when they will be doing it, and perhaps even how long will they be doing it.
