Video shows Japanese jets intruding in China’s ADIZ

[xunzi]

I blame our country early day when we were so weak that the US and her allies bully us into submission. We have little choice but to accept their hegemony. That day is coming to an end, as we speak. Today, we are willing and ready to fight for our national interest at all cost. War is something we always prepare. One shot, we are ready to roll.

 

[OCguy]

in your opinion,the same thing ,japs did is appropriate,chinese did is negative.you are a typical man having a aforehand position and double standard.

if my reply makes you uncomfortable,pls ignore .

It doesn't make me uncomfortable at all. I can easily see why you would assume that I automatically give Japan a pass, while at the same time scolding China. But believe me I take flak from all sides on this forum, since I attempt to look at each incident objectively.

There are multiple things going against China in the PR department in an incident like this:

1. The AIDZ - This was a self-imposed and sudden policy, that neither Japan nor the US recognize. By default, they are the aggressor currently in the SCS, and even state that Japan was "violating" its ADZ.

2. They only released a video after Japan lodged a formal complaint, which makes it appear to be retaliation, and calls the motive and facts into question, which is related to:

3. Chinese PR has recently lost credibility after claiming to be the victim in the boat ramming incident, prior to Vietnam releasing contradictory video

4. Current Chinese actions towards multiple neighbors. Do they want the world to believe that they are the victim in every incident, with multiple neighbors in the SCS, when they are the country who is changing status-quo?

None of these mean that in this particular incident, China is lying and Japan is telling the truth. I am merely explaining why if one had to make an educated guess, one party stands out at this point in time.

 

[cnleio]

It doesn't make me uncomfortable at all. I can easily see why you would assume that I automatically give Japan a pass, while at the same time scolding China. But believe me I take flak from all sides on this forum, since I attempt to look at each incident objectively.

There are multiple things going against China in the PR department in an incident like this:

1. The AIDZ - This was a self-imposed and sudden policy, that neither Japan nor the US recognize. By default, they are the aggressor currently in the SCS, and even state that Japan was "violating" its ADZ.

2. They only released a video after Japan lodged a formal complaint, which makes it appear to be retaliation, and calls the motive and facts into question, which is related to:

3. Chinese PR has recently lost credibility after claiming to be the victim in the boat ramming incident, prior to Vietnam releasing contradictory video

4. Current Chinese actions towards multiple neighbors. Do they want the world to believe that they are the victim in every incident, with multiple neighbors in the SCS, when they are the country who is changing status-quo?

None of these mean that in this particular incident, China is lying and Japan is telling the truth. I am merely explaining why if one had to make an educated guess, one party stands out at this point in time.

The American double standards, Japan or Vietnam can do, but China NO.

China won't care ur double standards, only focus on our interests. GoodBye, Uncle SAM.

 

[dlclong]

Diaoyu is still under Japan's control.but even if it is disputed,China exerted its ADIZ far inside Japanese Airspace.

you can see how much they actually dug deep.

Japanese Airspace.？？
Your map is produced unilateral plans of the Japanese ADIZ, not the Japanese airspace.It is much larger than the airspace.
The Japanese occupation ,so they are japan? So why India is not the UK? These islands are 1895 Japanese from China through war（甲午战争） robbed. If these islands should not be returned to China, then India should not have more independence from the UK.
For the Sino-Japanese territorial dispute, Indians, whatever you do this, why do you have to keep shouting, Indians really love making trouble, so eight countries neighboring do not like India (not to mention China, China only there are 15 land neighbors, in addition to India and Bhutan(Because the cause of mischief from India), the border issues are resolved), we must learn to control your character that love trouble.
You better *******, okay?

 

[OrionHunter]

couldn't see the video as its still now,"LOADING"...any other source of the video??

Same here! Probably censored!

 

[xunzi]

It doesn't make me uncomfortable at all. I can easily see why you would assume that I automatically give Japan a pass, while at the same time scolding China. But believe me I take flak from all sides on this forum, since I attempt to look at each incident objectively.

There are multiple things going against China in the PR department in an incident like this:

1. The AIDZ - This was a self-imposed and sudden policy, that neither Japan nor the US recognize. By default, they are the aggressor currently in the SCS, and even state that Japan was "violating" its ADZ.

2. They only released a video after Japan lodged a formal complaint, which makes it appear to be retaliation, and calls the motive and facts into question, which is related to:

3. Chinese PR has recently lost credibility after claiming to be the victim in the boat ramming incident, prior to Vietnam releasing contradictory video

4. Current Chinese actions towards multiple neighbors. Do they want the world to believe that they are the victim in every incident, with multiple neighbors in the SCS, when they are the country who is changing status-quo?

None of these mean that in this particular incident, China is lying and Japan is telling the truth. I am merely explaining why if one had to make an educated guess, one party stands out at this point in time.

Let get real here. We are a big country. Nobody will side with the big country when it comes to dispute over small territory. It is just the underdog that the world support. No matter what we do, we will always lose the PR battle regardless. You completely miss the point of what we are trying to do. We are trying to set an example for other country that it is completely okay and within their country rights to establish an ADIZ and re-define the US's led order.

1. All AIDZ is self-imposed. This is true when Japan established its ADIZ. We did not accept.

2. The video was release to demonstrate that Japan engaged in dangerous activity. So nobody should claim Japan is the victim of a bully. In fact, the world should perceive we are the victim here. The US's back Japan which make Japan a bully in the eyes of the world. We have been a victim of the US's bully since post WWII.

3. Again, we already lose the PR battle the moment we get into a dispute with a small state. Regardless of what is right.

4. I think the Muslim world, Africa, South Asia, Central Asia, and Latin America deserve a voice as those countries are truly neutral. We know we are not on good term with the West. Therefore, our PR battle is a lost cause against the West's back to some these trouble claimants like Japan, Philippines, and Vietnam.

 

[dlclong]

The new Chinese ADIZ clearly overlaps Japanese ADIZ:

Japanese, you lying,
This picture is obviously fake map.
China claims exclusive economic zone in the venting identification zone, the same as in Japan.
EEZ is impossible to identify areas larger than prevention

 

[Pangu]

I say when the US setup Japanese ADIZ unilaterally post WWII, and the subsequent enlargement of the ADIZ in 1972 & 2010 by Japan without consulting us, all bets are off. When in Rome, do as the Romans do fits the bill perfectly. Who cares what they think. Even the Russians do not regconise Japan's ADIZ.

 

[cnleio]

I say when the US setup Japanese ADIZ unilaterally post WWII, and the subsequent enlargement of the ADIZ in 1972 & 2010 by Japan without consulting us, all bets are off. When in Rome, do as the Romans do fits the bill perfectly. Who cares what they think. Even the Russians do not regconise Japan's ADIZ.

That's right !
Japan or U.S didn't complain for Russian Tu-95 bombers patrolling the whole Japan islands, so WHY ?

Holding bigger stick in ur hand is much more useful than to follow foreign double standards.

 

[55100864]

Might is right, Russian bomber constantly mapping japan, no one talks about it, seems japan get used to it, we also need to constantly fly near japanese air space, 5 years later, they will get used too.

 

[TaiShang]

China's ADIZ consists of International airspace as well as part of Japanese airspace(present).as Japan still defies to recognize Chinese ADIZ,its no wonder we'll see these "Cat and Mouse" game more often.plus,Japanese Jets are in no obligation to provide their identity and other information(like Civil Carrier Jets) either.

That's the point. With its own ADIZ, China also made it clear that it does not recognize part of Japanese ADIZ. Before China's move, it was a one-lane road; now it is a double-lane road. I do not see Chinese jets providing information, as well, within the contested ADIZ. So, you are right, more cat and mouse, or cat and cat game until one side prevails.

The new Chinese ADIZ clearly overlaps Japanese ADIZ:

Brother, the way Japanese ADIZ gets closer to China's mainland is almost obscene. Don't you think so. I think a capable country such as Japan can do amazing power projection from such close proximity

Diaoyu is still under Japan's control.but even if it is disputed,China exerted its ADIZ far inside Japanese Airspace.

you can see how much they actually dug deep.

I think same goes with Japan's ADIZ. It is a shame on part of China that it did not bring this up until so late.

Nice move by Japan. Tit for Tat.

Many say it is the other way round. It is China disturbing the status quo that has been there for decades, as Nihonjin mentions.

No one is saying China is evil, merely, I'm saying as what the Japanese side is saying that we have been patrolling our maritime and air domain for decades now. So, when your media says that Japan has "Gone deep inside China's ADIZ" is rather preposterous since JMSDF and JASDF units are merely doing regular patrols.

You should also note the rather calm and civil demeanor our F-15's behaved as we escorted the Chinese plane out.

Confrontational? I beg to differ.

I think professional behavior is commendable on both sides. So, expect more of the same as the region remains contested. I think, the media is right to say that, just as Japanese media would say Chinese planes went deep into Japan's ADIZ. Because, at the point, two ADIZs are overlapping.

Nobody important is recognizing China's self-proclaimed ADZ, so they are attempting to give it legitimacy by asserting it as well.

I did not know ADIZs can be proclaimed collectively. China is only making up for the decades long ignorance of its near airspace. And China does not recognize (just as Russia) US ADIZ, either.

See that? Russian nuclear-capable bombers intercepted off California coast

I say when the US setup Japanese ADIZ unilaterally post WWII, and the subsequent enlargement of the ADIZ in 1972 & 2010 by Japan without consulting us, all bets are off. When in Rome, do as the Romans do fits the bill perfectly. Who cares what they think. Even the Russians do not regconise Japan's ADIZ.

An ADIZ is an ADIZ, regardless the whole world (people mean the Western world by that, more than often) does not recognize it. China's ADIZ is designed to keep the territory a contested/disputed zone. Hence, in fact, the more dispute there is, the better. International perception should be changed so that they start seeing the area as contested, rather than owned by Japan with no Chinese objection.

Otherwise, who said China recognized India's or US' ADIZ?

 

[GR!FF!N]

Japanese Airspace.？？
Your map is produced unilateral plans of the Japanese ADIZ, not the Japanese airspace.It is much larger than the airspace.
The Japanese occupation ,so they are japan? So why India is not the UK? These islands are 1895 Japanese from China through war（甲午战争） robbed. If these islands should not be returned to China, then India should not have more independence from the UK.
For the Sino-Japanese territorial dispute, Indians, whatever you do this, why do you have to keep shouting, Indians really love making trouble, so eight countries neighboring do not like India (not to mention China, China only there are 15 land neighbors, in addition to India and Bhutan(Because the cause of mischief from India), the border issues are resolved), we must learn to control your character that love trouble.
You better shut up, okay?

same BS thwarted several times bro..Japan's ADIZ was drawn by USA,though Japan increased it 3 times.second,China's ADIZ not only intersected with disputed islands,but it also intersected with airspace with other islands as well.

about the word "Unilateral",is Chinese "ADIZ" not "Unilateral"??

you guys are void of any logic while always try to divert the topic using some old "BS", like you've just posted.

 

[55100864]

That's right !
Japan or U.S didn't complain for Russian Tu-95 bombers patrolling the whole Japan islands, so WHY ?

Holding bigger stick in the hand is much more useful than to follow foreign double standards.

omg, we got the same idea

 

[cnleio]

omg, we got the same idea

It's the truth what world game playing now.
Double standards is only useful to the weak but not the strong.

 

[GR!FF!N]

That's the point. With its own ADIZ, China also made it clear that it does not recognize part of Japanese ADIZ. Before China's move, it was a one-lane road; now it is a double-lane road. I do not see Chinese jets providing information, as well, within the contested ADIZ. So, you are right, more cat and mouse, or cat and cat game until one side prevails.

apparently,I'm not against Chinese ADIZ.every country has right to establish its own ADIZ.but I get angry when some false news tries to implicate "ADIZ Violation" as if "Airspace was violated".though don't know if Japan's ADIZ violated China's Airspace or not(leave Diaoyu),but seems like Chinese ADIZ not only intersected Japanese ADIZ,but also airspace(as Japan has few islands near Diaoyu Island which are not disputed).then again,no harm done as this doesn't mean any violation of airspace until China sends fighter in Japanese airspace.