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Air Forces of South China Sea claimants

officially we spend on defence as much money as the philippines. that is not a secret is that we get more for our money than the philippines. for example, we have a navy with corvettes, frigates and submarines, while none exists in the philippines. no need to mention we have a very modern coast guard. and the airforce? well, there is no comparison.

corruption exists everywhere, but corruption in the philippines seems worse than in vietnam.

by the way, our ground, air and navy is much stronger than indonesia.

How much do you spend exactly? Give an estimated number. For ASEAN, you do have a very impressive military. You punch above your weight. Now I know why you always disrespect the Indonesia. LOL

Beside having 50 planes of 4 gen fighters in the end of 2015. We will also add three squadron more until 2024. Currently we have already decided to replace our old F-5 into Su 35 fighter, 16 planes. For the new three squadrons (48 planes), we dont know yet about the type of fighters, but I hope it should also be Su 35, with its 30 years air frame life time, long range operation and ability to load many missile and bombs, it can be a good one to accompany KFX/IFX fighters. So 114 fighters already (comprised of 4 and 4 ++ gen fighters)

After 2024, at least we are going to have 50 KFX/IFX (based on current plan). And we are not going to rush. Step by step buddy...........
I hope so, friend. For a big country like Indonesia with a long coast, you do really need to invest more in Navy and Air. Forget about land. To keep an edge on ASEAN as a potential leader, you need to be twice as strong as the Vietnam. We know them too well. They will not respect you if you have an inferior Airpower.
 
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Sometimes, I get a headache reading this forum. In manga/anime forums, people concern about black racism in Asia. I am like bull fucking shit. Asians hate each other more than anything, so don't play the victim card. I won't deny their racial tension even within Vietnam (like since forever). The deadly riots happened in my old hometown after all. I am strongly condemn that. But Jesus, dial it down people. Why?? Because I have to shift through all these useless baseless (and often extremely hateful) hyperbole for decent relevant posts.


I think you should take down that Vietnamese and US flag.

@Soryu @Viet @Carlosa, I think this liubang guy needs to be exposed. He puts on the Viet and US flag but always talk trash about the US and VN then he go suck up to the PRC keyboard warriors. :disagree:


If you don't notice, I have been going around reporting flaming chinese post. I would do it to you too. Trash talking Vietnam?? I am too proud as a Viet to stood to the level of some of the chinese on this website. If you have any pride in your blood, you should act more dignify.

I totally trash talk the USA. The USA has been a jackass since its inception. I know more about American history than anything else. From the from the Spanish American war, to the Vietnam war, to the Iraq war, disaster upon disaster. American and France had set Vietnam back 300 years. If I was a Vietnamese from 500 years ago, I may have more intense hatred toward the chinese. I dislike a few, but I don't hate them as much as the posts I see from USA vet regret to nuke Vietnam as if there aren't enough death already.

Anyway, I don't need to associate with the like of you. I agree with the lone sane Japanese voice on here.

The intense racist stuffs are much more frequent from the chinse posters just because there are just way way way way way way more of them. I have family member that are Chinese-Vietnamese and one of my close friend is chinese. Don't need to be super racist to show my pride as a Vietnamese. But my gosh, some of the chinese posters on here are really damaging the china brand with your ridiculous tone.
 
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Who said you need to be super racist to show your pride?

I called you out as a false flagger for talking trash about those countries. And there are US residents here who talk trash about the US but you can tell they grew up in the US because of the way they talk or their good English skills.

Your story doesn't add up though. Your English grammar is just as bad as mine so I doubt you grew up in the US. So if the US is such a big "***hole" to you then why did you migrate to there? you are always welcomed to leave that country. You even mentioned that you were planning to join their army so that means you even took on US citizenship. Finally, if you were to interact with the respectable Chinese members here then there's nothing wrong with that. However, you've only been sucking up to the Chinese keyboard warriors, which contradict your claim that you hate the racist/flaming posts.

OH good, you are a Sherlock now?? Language skill is not my forte. I move here since I was 11. I can read and write in viet. And I have to learn the science language, the pharmacy language, the mathematics/chemistry language. You want to compare me to you??

Sucking up?? Show me where jackass. This dude posted raw data, I want to see all raw data of every country. I want him to do the work for me. As for the post on China improvement in 35 years something. Guess what, our food is chinese influenced. For the longest time, most of our entertainment is chinese. Our culture/our value/our religion are influenced by China (which is broad because the chinese have like 50 something ethnic groups). Before 2010, I am proud of Japan and China and Korea making wave in the world. Why?? Because, viet are still a part of the east asian culture, and the pride is like a white person who is pride ful of Britain, Germany, France, etc.

I have nothing to prove to you. I gonna start flagging you too. You think an 11 years old dictate where we move?? If you are an American, you know there are liberals and there are conservative. Guess which one I am. You can feel proud of America. But you don't need to agree with the bullshit in the Middle EAst, or the Vietnam war, jack ***.

I want to join the navy for my own personal reason. And indeed, I planning to move back at some point and open a business over there. Or to Japan or Europe.

Let talk about you, so this is how you treat people who disagree with you 5%?? Who share your view on South China Sea but don't want to behave childish like you?? Who teach you manner??

Your English grammar is just as bad as mine so I doubt you grew up in the US. So if the US is such a big "***hole" to you then why did you migrate to there? you are always welcomed to leave that country.

Bashing our own government is among the very unique privilege as an American. Liberals, conservative, progressive, libertarians, anarchist bashed the usa one way or another. I guess you don't know that. Either you aren't an American or you don't know how to be an American. America is great enough that it can withered whether I bash it or not. America is not a sensitive pussy bitch nor does its greatness need my approval. However, history revisionist piss me off.
 
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Most real Viets will already know what aircrafts Viet Nam has, they don't need to check with Wikipedia or a Chinese guy like Martian2. Come on, VN only possess a small number of modern aircrafts and Vietnamese here will already memorise how many, they don't need to check on Wikipedia to confirm Martin's claim like you do.

The US Viets that don't know much about VN's military, are usually anti-VN and pro-US. You don't sound like any of these Viets.

You sound like those CDF Chinese who are anti-US and pro-Martin2 lol.
I think Liubang means that he check Wiki of other nations to see the number of aircraft is correct or not. The number of air crafts r correct, but it doesnt mean more fighter-more powerful

He should stay here longer, then he will know more abt our friend Martian2 :D
 
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I think Liubang means that he check Wiki of other nations to see the number of aircraft is correct or not.

He shoulds stay here longer, then he will know more abt our friend Martian2 :D

oh man, off topic, but where is the :pop::pop::pop::pop::pop::pop::pop::pop:
 
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I think Liubang means that he check Wiki of other nations to see the number of aircraft is correct or not. The number of air crafts r correct, but it doesnt mean more fighter-more powerful

He should stay here longer, then he will know more abt our friend Martian2 :D

since, other viet people are the only approved source according to people. Which is so damn weird because I ask on the viet thread and nobody answer me. Can you answer me the same question I ask whoever that martin guy is. Instead of pestering me. Just answer it. List on the planes (3rd, 4th, 5th) and relevant navies. Because I read some really outrageous comment with no sources provided. Like one claim, we stronger than Indonesia??? REALLY (I meant the claim was we are stronger even on land force)?? O___O I meant just from that, I don't know how much I can trust the data provided. I just want to see the raw data and make up my own opinion.

EDIT: I want to see all the nations that were listed in my post.
 
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since, other viet people are the only approved source according to people. Which is so damn weird because I ask on the viet thread and nobody answer me. Can you answer me the same question I ask whoever that martin guy is. Instead of pestering me. Just answer it. List on the planes (3rd, 4th, 5th) and relevant navies. Because I read some really outrageous comment with no sources provided. Like one claim, we stronger than Indonesia??? REALLY (I meant the claim was we are stronger even on land force)?? O___O I meant just from that, I don't know how much I can trust the data provided. I just want to see the raw data and make up my own opinion.
Time will tell who he is. Just stay here longer and have more fun.

As I remembered, he once said that if war between VN-CN happen again, he may join PLA coz hes quite good at shooting skill, but when the oil rig conflict happen, VN sent the frogmen there and ready to do some damage, I dint see our friend Martian have the guts to come there and shoot our frogmen. :laugh:
 
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Taiwan has a major military airfield on Taiping Island..

Major military airfield that can only be used by C-130s but its not set up for fighter jets?

Obviously your mind seems to make your own version of reality.
 
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Yeah, so if I ask you what is going in the USA, what the hell do you know. Of course, I don't know jack shit about Vietnam. I don't live in a vietnamese community. I don't watch vietnamese tv show. I don't spent fucking 24 hours a day, 7 days a week on this forum talking about this tank and that tank. I got real life. I got shit to do.

Since 2014?? I came here, argue some shit about South China Sea. And then some bitch Indonesian girl like "omg you are so so off topic." Totally kill the mood. Didn't come back for a while. And guess what tv show I was watching while making this account. Han So tranh Hung. THe other guy like, you ain't real. Your vietnamese suck. No shit, sherlock, only 5th grade vietnamese and haven't used it often or ages. My gosh, the controversy. Did aliens build the pyramid?? Did Jesus had a son?? Was Ho Chi Minh secretly gay?? What next?

So Yorozyuya still don't want to be on topic about my ask of India, Japan, Indonesia, Korea, Australia. But he want to run his mouth on who and who isn't an American. Do you want me to tell you my analysis of the last presidential election?? I still can't find the ignore function on here.
Oki oki, cool of bro. Just stay on the topic, VN army, VN AF is no 1 in SCS(east sea), thats why we control the biggest and the most important part there. PLAF, wt poorly trained-coward pilots, is just a joke. TWAF is only used to fight against PLAFF, it has no power in SCS(east sea), I bet that TW fighters can not lock PH fighters coz US will not let TWAF to shoot down PHAF or MalayAF .

Indonesia only have a small dispute water, their fighters r still not enough to protect all of their islands, so no need to compare wt VNAF.:p:
 
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I think Liubang means that he check Wiki of other nations to see the number of aircraft is correct or not. The number of air crafts r correct, but it doesnt mean more fighter-more powerful

He should stay here longer, then he will know more abt our friend Martian2 :D

No, read his post again. He said he checked Wikipedia on Vietnam after reading the data from Martian.

I think even @Carlosa will know how many Su-30 and Su-27 VietNam has and Carlosa is not even an ethnic Vietnamese. A real Vietnamese will even be more familiar with that small quantity of Su-27/30 in Viet Nam. If not then I'm sure they will find the answers in Vietnamese forums.


Yeah, so if I ask you what is going in the USA, what the hell do you know. Of course, I don't know jack shit about Vietnam. I don't live in a vietnamese community. I don't watch vietnamese tv show. I don't spent fucking 24 hours a day, 7 days a week on this forum talking about this tank and that tank. I got real life. I got shit to do.

Since 2014?? I came here, argue some shit about South China Sea. And then some bitch Indonesian girl like "omg you are so so off topic." Totally kill the mood. Didn't come back for a while. And guess what tv show I was watching while making this account. Han So tranh Hung. THe other guy like, you ain't real. Your vietnamese suck. No shit, sherlock, only 5th grade vietnamese and haven't used it often or ages. My gosh, the controversy. Did aliens build the pyramid?? Did Jesus had a son?? Was Ho Chi Minh secretly gay?? What next?

Oh so now you claim you don't know jack s**t about Viet Nam? Then how could you write that long essay about the history and geopolitics of VietNam just earlier today in the Viet military thread? lol

The more explanation you give, the more you contradict yourself.

And guess what tv show I was watching while making this account. Han So tranh Hung. THe other guy like, you ain't real. Your vietnamese suck. No shit, sherlock, only 5th grade vietnamese and haven't used it often or ages. My gosh, the controversy.

So both of your English AND Vietnamese language skills are not great. then what is your mother tongue? Mandarin?
 
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Give me a break. Are you dense?

Taiwan has a major airfield in the middle of the Spratlys. Your airfield is way over there on Vietnam.

In the event that the two airforces meet halfway between Taiping Island and Vietnam, Taiwan's much larger airforce will defeat the Vietnamese airforce. This means Taiwan controls the airspace over the South China Sea. You should be able to figure out this chain of logic yourself.

Old Taiwanese planes will defeat the vietnamese SU-30MK2?
And over 300 Taiwanese fighter jets will fit into that miniature air base that is not even set up to house 1 fighter jet?

And you told @gambit that he was a laugh when he tried to teach you something? Your military logic can only be expected of a 12 year old.

Go ahead. Show me a picture of your alleged Vietnamese airfield in the Spratlys that can accommodate a combat jet.

You Show me a picture of your alleged Taiwanese airfield in the Spratlys that can accommodate a combat jet.
You made the claims right?

Yes, it does. I just can't seem to find my post on it with the chart. One year ago? Two years ago? I'll keep looking for a while longer.

The IHS Jane's chart below shows China's combat aircraft production is about 60 for 2015 and it should be about 80 for 2016.

http://www.janes360.com/images/assets/976/30976/China_aircraft_capabilities_1.pdf (page 2 of 11)

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Very impressive, but the real issue is that china can't produce enough engines for those jets and on top of that, those engines are of very bad quality.
 
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Old Taiwanese planes will defeat the vietnamese SU-30MK2?
And over 300 Taiwanese fighter jets will fit into that miniature air base that is not even set up to house 1 fighter jet?

And you told @gambit that he was a laugh when he tried to teach you something? Your military logic can only be expected of a 12 year old.



You Show me a picture of your alleged Taiwanese airfield in the Spratlys that can accommodate a combat jet.
You made the claims right?

[QUOTE="Martian2, post: 6945980, member: 22194"Taiwan's military budget is $10.5 billion per year. Vietnam's military budget is a tiny $3.3 billion.[1] With Taiwan's greater financial resources, we expect Taiwanese pilots to be much better trained than their Vietnamese counterparts.
Taiwanese combat jets are F-16s, Mirage 2000-5s, and IDFs. They are all fourth-generation. Incorrectly calling them "old planes" only shows your ignorance.

Taiwan's F-16s are equipped with long-distance American AIM-120 AMRAAMs. Also, Taiwan's F-16s are being upgraded to AESA radars. Taiwan's F-16 fleet is far superior technologically to Vietnam's air force.

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Taiwan's Taiping Island in the South China Sea was the largest island until China's reclamation.
 
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