Air Forces of South China Sea claimants

[Viet]

Do you know how to stay on topic? If you want to discuss the Taiwanese fisherman and the Philippines, go open a thread about it.

The topic in this thread is the military airpower of the South China Sea claimants and who has air superiority when war breaks out.


Combat jets have a long range. You haven't proved you have a sufficiently long runway on a Spratly Island.

The picture could easily show jets that took off from mainland Vietnam.

once we bomb and destroy taiping airfield, all of your jets are useless.
or do you want to start the jets from taiwan?

 

[Martian2]

you troller. our defence budget is $8b and increases by $1b a year, expected to reach $11b and surpasses taiwan soon in 2019. vietnam airforce fought in war against a superpower as America. how about taiwan? I bet we beat the weaklings in no time.

Vietnam Defence & Security Report

No. Your citation clearly states it's only a forecast.

Vietnam's defense spending is a state secret. Your citation is clearly an outlier. It is an extremely high guess and wrong.
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Vietnam's tiny $171 billion GDP can only support a tiny defense budget

Let's look at known country GDPs and defense budgets to gauge Vietnam's defense spending.

Taiwan: $489 billion GDP | $10.5 billion defense spending
Malaysia: $313 billion GDP | $5.4 billion (2015)
Philippines: $272 billion GDP | $3.3 billion
Vietnam: $171 billion GDP | $(Unknown)

Given Vietnam's tiny GDP, an estimate of $3.3 billion for defense is very generous. It is definitely not $8 billion as Viet is claiming. That's wishful thinking.

References.

GDP: IMF (2013 data)
The Philippines, Malaysia, and Vietnam Race to South China Sea Defense Modernization - Missile Threat

is it true???

Yes. It's from Jane's Defence.

 

[cnleio]

Yes. It's from Jane's Defence.

I think that Jane's data of "China building 150-200 military aircraft per year" must include helicopters like Z-8/ Z-9/ Z-11/ WZ-9/ WZ-10/ WZ-19 (future Z-15 & Z-20) ... ... maybe possible.

Fighter building: J-10B, J-11B, J-15, J-16, J-20, JH-7A, J-7MG(export)
Trainning jet building: K-8, L-15, JL-9
Transport plane building: Y-7, Y-8, Y-9, Y-20
AWACS building: KJ-200, KJ-500
Bomb building: H-6K

 

[dichoi]

No. Your citation clearly states it's only a forecast.

Vietnam's defense spending is a state secret. Your citation is clearly an outlier. It is an extremely high guess and wrong.
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Vietnam's tiny $171 billion GDP can only support a tiny defense budget

Let's look at known country GDPs and defense spending to gauge Vietnam's defense spending.

Taiwan: $489 billion GDP | $10.5 billion defense spending
Malaysia: $313 billion GDP | $5.4 billion (2015)
Philippines: $272 billion GDP | $3.3 billion
Vietnam: $171 billion GDP | $(Unknown)

Given Vietnam's tiny GDP, an estimate of $3.3 billion for defense is very generous. It is definitely not $8 billion as Viet is claiming. That's wishful thinking.

References.

GDP: IMF (2013 data)
The Philippines, Malaysia, and Vietnam Race to South China Sea Defense Modernization - Missile Threat


Yes. It's from Jane's Defence.

Talking about GDP figure, USA no needed to agree withdrawal from Vietnam.

 

[Martian2]

I think that Jane's data of "China building 150-200 military aircraft per year" must include helicopters like Z-8/ Z-9/ Z-11/ WZ-9/ WZ-10/ WZ-19 (future Z-15 & Z-20) ... ... maybe possible.

Fighter building: J-10B, J-11B, J-15, J-16, J-20, JH-7A, J-7MG(export)
Trainning jet building: K-8, L-15, JL-9
Transport plane building: Y-7, Y-8, Y-9, Y-20
AWACS building: KJ-200, KJ-500
Bomb building: H-6K

Yes, it does. I just can't seem to find my post on it with the chart. One year ago? Two years ago? I'll keep looking for a while longer.

The IHS Jane's chart below shows China's combat aircraft production is about 60 for 2015 and it should be about 80 for 2016.

http://www.janes360.com/images/assets/976/30976/China_aircraft_capabilities_1.pdf (page 2 of 11)

 

[Viet]

No. Your citation clearly states it's only a forecast.

Vietnam's defense spending is a state secret. Your citation is clearly an outlier. It is an extremely high guess and wrong.
----------

Vietnam's tiny $171 billion GDP can only support a tiny defense budget

Let's look at known country GDPs and defense spending to gauge Vietnam's defense spending.

Taiwan: $489 billion GDP | $10.5 billion defense spending
Malaysia: $313 billion GDP | $5.4 billion (2015)
Philippines: $272 billion GDP | $3.3 billion
Vietnam: $171 billion GDP | $(Unknown)

Given Vietnam's tiny GDP, an estimate of $3.3 billion for defense is very generous. It is definitely not $8 billion as Viet is claiming. That's wishful thinking.

References.

GDP: IMF (2013 data)
The Philippines, Malaysia, and Vietnam Race to South China Sea Defense Modernization - Missile Threat


Yes. It's from Jane's Defence.

Vietnam GDP is $188b as per IMF for 2014. the said defence budget is an estimation of BMI. but anyway, theoretically our army is strong enough to crush all armies of southeast asia mainland combined. taiwan is just walk in the park for our army.

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

I think India will be the main player in SCS in coming days as Modi taking more interests in the region countries.

 

[Edison Chen]

I think India will be the main player in SCS in coming days as Modi taking more interests in the region countries.

 

[帅的一匹]

china air force is the most powerful in this region.

 

[Indos]

In the end of 2015 Indonesia is going to have 50 fighters ( 16 Su 27/30 and 24 F-16 Block 52/10 F-16 Block 15),

We are waiting for another 19 F-16 C/D,

If the situation get worse rapidly, 16 T-50i can be converted into 16 FA Golden Eagle, so in total we will have 66 fighters

 

[Genesis]

Did you open this thread all because the Indonesian president has said something that offended you?

Chillax!

if anything, this should be a response to arms race in Asia. I always wanted to do a thread on that, there is no race, at least not a close one.

And it should also be a response of the article that calls for the destruction of Chinese islands in SCS, twice. Good read, the guy is quite the comedian.

Destroy Chinese military bases in PH now! | Inquirer Global Nation

 

[Jlaw]

if anything, this should be a response to arms race in Asia. I always wanted to do a thread on that, there is no race, at least not a close one.

And it should also be a response of the article that calls for the destruction of Chinese islands in SCS, twice. Good read, the guy is quite the comedian.

Destroy Chinese military bases in PH now! | Inquirer Global Nation

the comments section is more humorous than the article.

 

[Genesis]

the comments section is more humorous than the article.

come on now, Filipino comment section is always gold. 2 tug boats and one life jacket and all of a sudden China is running scared.

I just assume everyone on this forum already knew.

 

[Aepsilons]

Three Air Forces not to underestimate:

1) Indonesia

2) Viet Nam

3) Thailand

If you even believed that for a second ASEAN and Taiwan would be provinces of Vietnam. Don't kid yourself. We could go nuclear in months and annihilate your entire urban population. Not even joking this time.

Truth,

Don't talk like this. The whole region is interconnected. We all break the same bread, we all eat the same bread, tho we are many, of various backgrounds, we all yearn one thing: To prosper.

Be kind in your words, don't let your emotions get the best of you. I know @Viet, he's a very buoyant poster, he's understandable and respectful if you show respect to him. Unlike some who incite and conflagrate just to put down. Too many times Asian people kill Asian people, Asia has seen the horrors of war in the 20th century. Now that we live in the 21st -- and we all enjoy the prosperity blessed to us by progress -- let us work tirelessly, think tirelessly to keep it that way. War, my friend, is never , never, never a priority nor should it be the primary course. Why fight when this disagreement in the SCS can be worked on through dialogue?

Look at Japan and China as a model. Yes we may disagree on the status of the Senkaku Shoto (you guys call it Diaoyutai), but that has only facilitated the need to develop maritime/air mechanisms , which has resulted in fortuitous diplomatic gains --- seeing as how Japanese and Chinese relations are now improving, trade relations are improving (bilateral trade between Japan and Greater China is now nearing $400 Billion per year, dude. Soon it will hit half a Trillion )

Richard Katz | Why Japanese-Chinese Economic Relations Are Improving | Foreign Affairs


China, Japan and South Korea meet to improve frosty relations | euronews, world news

Now, if Japan and China can achieve this, despite geostrategic differences on certain areas, both Japan and China are able to, mature enough, to work on the similarities while at the same time building on improving understanding in areas that both disagree on ---- THEN ---- there is no reason why China and ASEAN cannot do the same.

All of this ---- is just a chicken wing.

 

[sicsheep]

once we bomb and destroy taiping airfield, all of your jets are useless.
or do you want to start the jets from taiwan?

lol how about this

Once we bomb all the airfield in Vietnam, all your jets will be useless