A sole international market for China's J-10 fighter jets is taking shape

[Avicenna]

Well it is very interesting that a country which can not manage more than 8 mig-29s
Dreamt of purchasing
Gripen E,Eurofighter Typhoon and J-10 C.

Yea things change.

Malaysia in the 80's flew old A-4's and F-5's.

The economy improved in the 90's and now they have F-18's and SU-30's.

Bangladesh can do the same.

 

[JohnWick]

Yea things change.

Malaysia in the 80's flew old A-4's and F-5's.

The economy improved in the 90's and now they have F-18's and SU-30's.

Bangladesh can do the same.

In case of Malaysia.
Yeah only 8 F-18 and 18 odd Su-30s

As a matter of fact BD does not have an air
force named thing....

 

[Avicenna]

In case of Malaysia.
Yeah only 8 F-18 and 18 odd Su-30s

As a matter of fact BD does not have an air
force named thing....

I have no idea what you're trying to say.

 

[Nilgiri]

Well it is very interesting that a country which can not manage more than 8 mig-29s
Dreamt of purchasing
Gripen E,Eurofighter Typhoon and J-10 C.

Its not only that....

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/bangladesh-air-force.168817/page-433#post-11518633

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/whatever.46703/page-5273#post-11520454

 

[Avicenna]

Its not only that....

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/bangladesh-air-force.168817/page-433#post-11518633

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/whatever.46703/page-5273#post-11520454

Explain please what precludes Bangladesh from expanding their Air Force with modern combat aircraft.

 

[Nilgiri]

Explain please what precludes Bangladesh from expanding their Air Force with modern combat aircraft.

Nothing strictly "precludes"....we all simply go on the trends so far of 100,000+ posts (including large chunk of celebratory/"confirmed" ones) for 0 aircraft in the end.

If BD/BAF can break the mould set by its netizens on this forum (and others)....then they should prove it....we wish them well ....but in the meantime we just chuckle at the years and intensity of grasping at straws here.

 

[Avicenna]

Nothing strictly "precludes"....we all simply go on the trends so far of 100,000+ posts (including large chunk of celebratory/"confirmed" ones) for 0 aircraft in the end.

If BD/BAF can break the mould set by its netizens on this forum (and others)....then they should prove it....we wish them well ....but in the meantime we just chuckle at the years and intensity of grasping at straws here.

Yea I agree there’s been a lot of unwarranted speculation and downright hot air.

I’m not sure there’s much to say until and unless something is confirmed.

In the meantime though, it’s a discussion forum and what’s being done is well.....discussion.

 

[Nike]

Yea things change.

Malaysia in the 80's flew old A-4's and F-5's.

The economy improved in the 90's and now they have F-18's and SU-30's.

Bangladesh can do the same.

A4 skyhawk and F5 in 80's is more like F16 or Grippen of today,

 

[UKBengali]

A4 skyhawk and F5 in 80's is more like F16 or Grippen of today,

So, please advise how BD cannot afford to buy aircraft like Gripen E or J-10C when it has defence budget of 4.5-5 billion US dollars a year, when arms imports are taken into account?

 

[Nike]

So, please advise how BD cannot afford to buy aircraft like Gripen E or J-10C when it has defence budget of 4.5-5 billion US dollars a year, when arms imports are taken into account?

Dont know ask your Air Force chieff of staff, why they dont buy any fighter in last decade

 

[Avicenna]

A4 skyhawk and F5 in 80's is more like F16 or Grippen of today,

Not really.

I said the 80’s so lets pick a specific date like the middle year 1985.

The production run for the A-4 was from 1954 to 1979.

Malaysia bought their A-4 second hand in 1982.

It was already obsolescent by the time Malaysia acquired it so much so that Malaysia had to upgrade it to the PTM model.

The F-16 and Gripen are still in production and in services in a significant manner today.

You can make a stronger argument in the case of the F-5E.

It’s production run was from 1972 to 1987.

Malaysia acquired theirs as new builds from 1975.

It was in production and a contemporary fighter at the time.

However, the whole purpose of the F-5E was that it was to be export oriented.

It was never in service with its home air arm (USAF). And only as an aggressor for the USN.

With regards to timing in its life cycle, yea you can make a very vague arguement that it is analogous to an F-16 or Gripen today.

But not really, as its really comparing apples to oranges.

However, Malaysia bought its F-18D in 1997 and SU-30MKM in 2003.

Both those were not only firmly within their production runs but also considered top tier threats at the time of their acquisition.

You can not say that for the F-5E and A-4PTM in 1985.

 

[Nike]

Not really.

I said the 80’s so lets pick a specific date like the middle year 1985.

The production run for the A-4 was from 1954 to 1979.

Malaysia bought their A-4 second hand in 1982.

It was already obsolescent by the time Malaysia acquired it so much so that Malaysia had to upgrade it to the PTM model.

The F-16 and Gripen are still in production and in services in a significant manner today.

You can make a stronger argument in the case of the F-5E.

It’s production run was from 1972 to 1987.

Malaysia acquired theirs as new builds from 1975.

It was in production and a contemporary fighter at the time.

However, the whole purpose of the F-5E was that it was to be export oriented.

It was never in service with its home air arm (USAF). And only as an aggressor for the USN.

With regards to timing in its life cycle, yea you can make a very vague arguement that it is analogous to an F-16 or Gripen today.

But not really, as its really comparing apples to oranges.

However, Malaysia bought its F-18D in 1997 and SU-30MKM in 2003.

Both those were not only firmly within their production runs but also considered top tier threats at the time of their acquisition.

You can not say that for the F-5E and A-4PTM in 1985.

So what your point?

Why Bd still hold the purchase of 4th gen fighter till now after only bought half squadron of mig29 in early millenia? Whats the problem? Money ? Political will or not enough kickback from supplier?

 

[Avicenna]

So what your point?

Why Bd still hold the purchase of 4th gen fighter till now after only bought half squadron of mig29 in early millenia? Whats the problem? Money ? Political will or not enough kickback from supplier?

As I clearly stated in the post you responded to, the point is situations change.

With an improved economy, your choices and ability to purchase expand.

I just happened to use Malaysia as an example.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Malaysia

“In the 1970s, Malaysia began to imitate the four Asian Tiger economies (South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore) and committed itself to a transition from being reliant on mining and agriculture to an economy that depends more on manufacturing. In the 1970s, the predominantly mining and agricultural based Malaysian economy began a transition towards a more multi-sector economy. Since the 1980s the industrial sector has led Malaysia's growth. High levels of investment played a significant role in this. With Japanese investment, heavy industries flourished and in a matter of years, Malaysian exports became the country's primary growth engine. Malaysia consistently achieved more than 7% GDP growth along with low inflation in the 1980s and the 1990s.”

Again for ease of your understanding, note the F-18D was purchased in 1997 and the SU-30MKM followed in 2003.

Secondly, your also incorrect about no purchases for BAF in the last decade.

16 F-7BGI were delivered in 2013. These were described at the time as a “stop gap” by BAF.

8 MiG-29 were bought in 2000 but that whole fiasco was marred by infighting between the two political parties which limited the purchase to just 8.

But, of course BAF did have difficulty maintaining the planes as other operators have found out as well.

As to why BAF hasn’t moved forward with their MRCA plans I would have to say no one here really knows.

 

[UKBengali]

As I clearly stated in the post you responded to, the point is situations change.

With an improved economy, your choices and ability to purchase expand.

I just happened to use Malaysia as an example.

Secondly, your also incorrect about no purchases for BAF in the last decade.

16 F-7BGI were delivered in 2013. These were described at the time as a “stop gap” by BAF.

8 MiG-29 were bought in 2000 but that whole fiasco was marred by infighting between the two political parties which limited the purchase to just 8.

But, of course BAF did have difficulty maintaining the planes as other operators have found out as well.

As to why BAF hasn’t moved forward with their MRCA plans I would have to say no one here really knows.

No aircraft purchase last year or this year almost certainly due to Rohingya and US sanctions on Russia.

Public tender of 2017 was BD government giving BAF the cheque to buy modern fighters.

 

[Avicenna]

No aircraft purchase last year or this year almost certainly due to Rohingya and US sanctions on Russia.

Public tender of 2017 was BD government giving BAF the cheque to buy modern fighters.

Yea I agree with you.

It’s all speculation at this point of course, but I think there are some political considerations that are delaying the purchase.

I also happen to think maybe Western fighters are on the cards now.