A sole international market for China's J-10 fighter jets is taking shape

[Avicenna]

Well we have to ensure that the fighter's IFF transponder is made/programmed by an entity that does not give the IFF signature to the Myanmarese as well. Ideally neither China nor Pakistan can be trusted. The allegiance/interest is too divided and leaning to the Myanmarese to be completely trusted.

I doubt that’s the case.

But if true then I guess J-10 is out too.

 

[bluesky]

they do have it but you can get block 3 with a different weapons/electronic suite and have superiority over both the neighbors. J10 will cost atleast 160% more than jf17.

Speed is an important factor in determining a fighter jet. JF-17 has a drag problem at take-off, it takes much longer time to reach a certain speed and height. Its maximum speed is also 1.6 Mach. In comparison, F-16 has a speed of 2.4 Mach. BAF should choose other platforms. JF-17 is also not popular with the Chinese airforce.

 

[Avicenna]

Speed is an important factor in determining a fighter jet. JF-17 has a drag problem at take-off, it takes much longer time to reach a certain speed and height. Its maximum speed is also 1.6 Mach. In comparison, F-16 has a speed of 2.4 Mach. BAF should choose other platforms. JF-17 is also not popular with the Chinese airforce.

No.

A lot of errors in your post.

Regardless, it not as simplistic as that.

JF-17 actually wouldn't be a bad choice for BAF.

But yea, its a problem that Myanmar flies it.

 

[bluesky]

No.

A lot of errors in your post.

Regardless, it not as simplistic as that.

JF-17 actually wouldn't be a bad choice for BAF.

But yea, its a problem that Myanmar flies it.

It is the BAF top-ups who will decide what platform it will buy. But, what is the wrong information I gave on JF-17? It is draggy and slow. About weapons, these are also included in other planes which are not draggy and faster. So, what is your point? Why it is not bad for the BAF to induct JF-17 except the price?

 

[Avicenna]

It is the BAF top-ups who will decide what platform it will buy. But, what is the wrong information I gave on JF-17? It is draggy and slow. About weapons, these are also included in other planes which are not draggy and faster. So, what is your point? Why it is not bad for the BAF to induct JF-17 except the price?

A few points.

We really don’t know the performance of the JF-17.

Climb rate isn’t public as far as I know.

Different fighters perform differently at certain speeds and altitudes and the key in a WVR is to capitalize on your opponents weaknesses and maximize your strengths.

Also absolute speed is largely irrelevant.

The F-35 is slow.

But one would rather have an F-35 than a Mig-25.

Also max speed of an F-16 is about Mach 2.0 if not less.

The Chinese Air Force doesn’t need the JF-17.

And of course BAF officials will choose what they will buy.

The JF-17 was meant to be the successor for the F-7.

It would provide the BAF with a BVR capable platform in numbers.

And especially with Block 3 would be a marked improvement over what the BAF currently flies.

It’s a capability versus numbers arguement.

Also, its certainly good enough for the BAF if it’s good enough for the PAF.

 

[Goku]

Bangladesh should go for F16s if they want US support on Rohingyas , US doesn't do anything for free nor should Bangladesh expect any free support from anyone . Its always give and take

 

[UKBengali]

I doubt that’s the case.

But if true then I guess J-10 is out too.

No J-10C is specifically for India. BD needs to plan for next 25-30 years when buying a fighter.
J-10C can wait a little longer as war with India is a distant and remote possibility and BAF needs something Western to counter MAF now.

 

[Avicenna]

@bluesky

Note the range of munitions that could be employed by even Block 2 JF-17.

Specifically BVR missile, anti-radiation missile and 2 types of anti ship missiles in addition to external targeting pod.

Thus illustrating the wide range of capabilities and missions the Thunder is capable of.

Markedly expanded capabilities compared to the types that the BAF flies now.

And in a cost effective manner as well.

Isn’t that what the BAF chief said was the primary determinant of his organization’s choice for the “new fighter?”

Watch from about 1:30 for specific reference.

 

[mb444]

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@bluesky

Note the range of munitions that could be employed by even Block 2 JF-17.

Specifically BVR missile, anti-radiation missile and 2 types of anti ship missiles in addition to external targeting pod.

Thus illustrating the wide range of capabilities and missions the Thunder is capable of.

Markedly expanded capabilities compared to the types that the BAF flies now.

And in a cost effective manner as well.

Isn’t that what the BAF chief said was the primary determinant of his organization’s choice for the “new fighter?”

Watch from about 1:30 for specific reference.

JF17 is a good plane....but its chinese and the monkeys has it. Whilst there are differences in capacity between the blocks would you really want to buy such plane given that china has taken an aggresive position against BD in support of the monkeys.

BAF is just too important to leave it to chance.

I personally do not believe we should purchase the J10b/c either. Against india i do not believe we will have chinese support.

BD must maintain its interest. Our priorities clearly stands in opposition to china. We must pivot towards the west until something changes.

I would get western jets and try to participate in some capacity with the turks. For BN and BA again pivot sharply away from china towards the turks and the west as much as possible.

 

[Avicenna]

JF17 is a good plane....but its chinese and the monkeys has it. Whilst there are differences in capacity between the blocks would you really want to buy such plane given that china has taken an aggresive position against BD in support of the monkeys.

BAF is just too important to leave it to chance.

I personally do not believe we should purchase the J10b/c either. Against india i do not believe we will have chinese support.

BD must maintain its interest. Our priorities clearly stands in opposition to china. We must pivot towards the west until something changes.

I would get western jets and try to participate in some capacity with the turks. For BN and BA again pivot sharply away from china towards the turks and the west as much as possible.

Yea I agree with you.

In the same token, Bangladesh can’t buy any Flankers either since Myanmar will be flying those as well.

So that ONLY leaves Western types.

 

[M.AsfandYar]

Speed is an important factor in determining a fighter jet. JF-17 has a drag problem at take-off, it takes much longer time to reach a certain speed and height. Its maximum speed is also 1.6 Mach. In comparison, F-16 has a speed of 2.4 Mach. BAF should choose other platforms. JF-17 is also not popular with the Chinese airforce.

What do you smoke and where do you get your figures from?

A few points.

We really don’t know the performance of the JF-17.

Climb rate isn’t public as far as I know.

Different fighters perform differently at certain speeds and altitudes and the key in a WVR is to capitalize on your opponents weaknesses and maximize your strengths.

Also absolute speed is largely irrelevant.

The F-35 is slow.

But one would rather have an F-35 than a Mig-25.

Also max speed of an F-16 is about Mach 2.0 if not less.

The Chinese Air Force doesn’t need the JF-17.

And of course BAF officials will choose what they will buy.

The JF-17 was meant to be the successor for the F-7.

It would provide the BAF with a BVR capable platform in numbers.

And especially with Block 3 would be a marked improvement over what the BAF currently flies.

It’s a capability versus numbers arguement.

Also, its certainly good enough for the BAF if it’s good enough for the PAF.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/paf-at-zuhai-airshow-2016.457944/page-9#post-8873420

So, please advise how BD cannot afford to buy aircraft like Gripen E or J-10C when it has defence budget of 4.5-5 billion US dollars a year, when arms imports are taken into account?

Do you even have an ounce of idea about the flyaway cost of Gripen E? Hell that isnt even operational yet....

 

[mb444]

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@bluesky

Note the range of munitions that could be employed by even Block 2 JF-17.

Specifically BVR missile, anti-radiation missile and 2 types of anti ship missiles in addition to external targeting pod.

Thus illustrating the wide range of capabilities and missions the Thunder is capable of.

Markedly expanded capabilities compared to the types that the BAF flies now.

And in a cost effective manner as well.

Isn’t that what the BAF chief said was the primary determinant of his organization’s choice for the “new fighter?”

Watch from about 1:30 for specific reference.

Only thing fatso here has ever defended is his biriyani..... seriously can you thrust your defense on someone who clearly can not even look after himself.

 

[Avicenna]

LOL.

 

[UKBengali]

Do you even have an ounce of idea about the flyaway cost of Gripen E? Hell that isnt even operational yet....

Yes 85 million dollars a plane.

 

[M.AsfandYar]

Yes 85 million dollars a plane.

No more like 110 million + and u think u can do away with few squadrons of those with $4.5 billion?
Yea keep living in your fantasies.