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A Hypothitical naval war between India and China

Most likely it will be over control of Andaman & Nicobar Islands. These islands will be our jewels in the indian ocean.

1.These islands belong to us,BD. The mischievous British, always ready to please Hindu India quietly gave these islands to that country. The people here are mostly Muslim and use Arabic and Urdu languages. IN is going to vacate these at the first booming of PLAN guns. We would then like BN to occupy these and fly the BD flag.

2. Regarding a Sino Indian naval engagement. The outcome will come even before the start. IN is all junk. It is unprofessional, too slow to act/react and is horribly bureaucratic. IN will sink and drown even before the engagements begin in earnest.
 
The so called stealth Frigate "Shivalik" would struggle against Type 054A with HQ missiles. Brahmos wouldcbe facing Jammings, Electro maganetic pulses to derail its track, laser blinding (in development), ABM, AA and CIWS+ Rail gun.

:lol: You don't know the difference between 'Mach' and 'March', and here you are talking about Jammings and laser blinding :lol:

Educate yourself and then talk
 
1.These islands belong to us,BD. The mischievous British, always ready to please Hindu India quietly gave these islands to that country. The people here are mostly Muslim and use Arabic and Urdu languages. IN is going to vacate these at the first booming of PLAN guns. We would then like BN to occupy these and fly the BD flag.

2. Regarding a Sino Indian naval engagement. The outcome will come even before the start. IN is all junk. It is unprofessional, too slow to act/react and is horribly bureaucratic. IN will sink and drown even before the engagements begin in earnest.

Here comes the chammach. Cannot do a $hit, but talks of occupying Nicobars

Remember you government is a proxy of Indian interests in your own country. :lol:
 
Because the DF-21 is march 10 and is intented for land based A2/AD warfare against US carrier fleets in case of a war. Bohamas is march 4 max and lacks 1000-5000 mile range like DF-21 ICBM/AD

Chinese can have marina beach, since many people **** there.

Chinese should spare Beasant Nagar beach, also the nearby Murugan Idly outlet.

Aren't you buggering up this scenario with wrong information? AFAIK, Murugan Idly is in Panagal Park.

1.These islands belong to us,BD. The mischievous British, always ready to please Hindu India quietly gave these islands to that country. The people here are mostly Muslim and use Arabic and Urdu languages. IN is going to vacate these at the first booming of PLAN guns. We would then like BN to occupy these and fly the BD flag.

2. Regarding a Sino Indian naval engagement. The outcome will come even before the start. IN is all junk. It is unprofessional, too slow to act/react and is horribly bureaucratic. IN will sink and drown even before the engagements begin in earnest.


The dimwit doesn't know the difference between the Laccadive and Minicoys and the Andaman and Nicobars. He doesn't know that the aboriginal population is Onge and Jarawa, and that the settler population is displaced Bengali Hindu refugees, Tamilians and even north Indians, with not a single Muslim using Arabic or Urdu. But then, that's what makes him dim.
 
1.These islands belong to us,BD. The mischievous British, always ready to please Hindu India quietly gave these islands to that country. The people here are mostly Muslim and use Arabic and Urdu languages.

wrong.....the people there are not mostly muslim.....you are confusing a&n with lakshadweep....

IN is going to vacate these at the first booming of PLAN guns. We would then like BN to occupy these and fly the BD flag.
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hahaha...big daddy is needed for choota bhai to go and occupy..:lol:....its like needing your friend to make your wife pregnant......hahaha...
 
Here comes the chammach. Cannot do a $hit, but talks of occupying Nicobars

Remember you government is a proxy of Indian interests in your own country. :lol:

Less of that condescending crap!

They have heavily armed corvettes and can shoot the hell out of any fishing boat that refuses to wear a full cloth covering it from masthead to bilge.
 
If the battle takes place in the Indian Ocean, the Chinese carrier group will be sunk very quick, no doubt about it. Brahmos launched from submarines and surface combatants will do the job and overwhelm any air defence the Chinese have. If necessary, 100 Su30 launch 300 Brahmos simultaneously will finish the rest.
 
You need to highlight many of these things before you even think of playing a war game of any kind between India and China……

Political Environment to include, global, regional, local

Effect on economic environment global, regional and local

Military Environment to include, global, regional, local
On the high seas and on land

Displacement of troops on ground and sea
China, India and regional and extra regional countries which may effect the war zones

Air and Space Environment

Nuclear Environment

And there is much much more

And you think that you can just write a ten line story, place a couple of CBGs here and there and start firing brahmos.

Jaisay chacahy ne hukkay ki chilim tayyar karni hai

Kahan se aa jatay ho tum log ……. funny tin horns
 
Synopsis: India gets involved in the South China sea disputes by drillings and Maritime manovours using the nicobar Islands as its main Naval base. A CPC hawk gets into power and get annoyed and urges India to show constriant, or the consequence will be severe. India is reluctant to act upon the Chinese warning assuming its another complaints from the commies. Chinese general staff then advises the Party secutary to make naval exercises in the nicobar islands. The Chinese fleet consists of 4 Type 054As and 2 052C/D which docks in bay near the indian islands and clashs with a merchant vessel and MOD coast gaurd. This clash eurpts into violence when a Kolkota class DDG intervene and mistakes the dispute between the merchant/Coast guard and the chinesr fleet as an an provocotive action and fires blank shots at the Chinese vessels. The chinese fire a mock AshM but the Indian DDG fires an Bahomas block 2 or 3 missile sinking a Type 054A and damaging another. The Type 052s flees while overhauling the damage vessel. The incident sparks mass protest in China focuing attention from the goverment actions and Japan to India. Hawkish elemants in the PLA high command and the conservative oriented party officals force the Party secutary to send a Carrier tasks force to protect rescure vessels and recive the damaged Type 054A and its remaining personnels. However the objective changed when the Indian navy threatern to block the Malaca straits as part its naval doctrine for incidents like this. Two IN carriers are deployed from the eastern command heads of to the nicobar island base and then closes of the Malaca straits in an attempt of blocking chinese trade. The Indian Carrier Group consist of 5 P-15 or Shilka stealth frigate and 5 Kolkata style DDG with Barak 8 AAM and Bahomas CM. The chinese carrier consists of 4 Type 052A for Medium level AD and 5 Type 052D and 2 Type 055 new 11,000 DDG with 90 H-9/H-18 with long range ABM capability and RW jammers, non radar detective communication with Data link update system and land attack CM with march 2 (lower than bahomas but more smart and sea skimming) and naval version of D-21 Anti carrier/AshM. The IN carrier contains poorer AAD but carriers 40 Mig 29K while China has stronger AAD for its carrier ( Goalkeeper with smart bullets and F-2000 RAAM) and 30 J-15. At the first battle, Indian AWACs discovers a Chineses CBG and alerts the IN CBG blocking malaca to fire fire long range Bahomas. Bahomas travelling March 4 fails to hit the Carrier because the type 052D knocks it out by firing HQ missiles in a rush and damages its VLS modules in a hast to down the Indian missiles. A Indian kilo fires a topedo at the Damaged type 052D and distroys it rudder pralysing it. However a Type 054 detects the sub and fires topedoes at the Kilo and it is distroyed with lose of crew. The 2 Type 55 fires a barrage of DF-21 at the indian Kolkota DDG and Sinks all but one. Knowing it Barak 8 is useless the indians fire every bahomas and sinks the already damaged Type 052DDG and a Type 054A but fails to distroy the PLA CBG. The Carrier of PLA gets close and uses EW warfare against the frigates and lone Kolkota and detects the carrier using OVTL radar and Satallites. Under EW protection a J-15 group task forces gets into air hunts down the IN carrer but fails to sink it as thme face airborne Mig-29K. J-15 trikes the migs into flying the SAM umberella of the medium range missiles of the remaining type 054 and few Migs survive. The superior ASEA of J-15 finish of the last of the migs and gets air dominance. How the Indian carrier retreats with few survivors and China wins.

Considering later comments about DF-21 in which you mention it being specifically meant for US carriers you are clearly referencing the DF-21D correct? That has still not been tested in its intended environment against targets simulating carriers, and so I do not think it should be considered as an operational system in your scenario. Alternatively, it could be included, but then you might as well consider other prototype systems like lasers and hypersonic missiles as operational as well, and change that J-15 task force to a J-20 naval variant task force.

Considering Geographical distance it would seem to me that India would have the logistical advantage, and considering the timeframe China might not be very proficient in carrier group ops (though the only way to be proven is actual combat)

India would also have the advantage in experience with carrier ops as they have operated them longer.


skipping to the effects this would have on the geopolitics in the region IMO...
Overall this sounds like something China would not want to get into as there is little to gain and much to lose. Consider a Chinese win... China has its military capability validated against Indian carriers, and then...? Does it occupy the islands? That would surely face world wide international condemnation considering not only the nebulous nature of the start of the conflict, but accepted sovereign of those islands.

This would very likely turn public opinion in India squarely into the anti-China camp, and lets not begin to talk about how this would affect the government.

Safe to say that I feel the US would find India much more willing to work with it.

What if China didn't occupy the islands? You would still have a less friendly India, one more willing to work against you, and one which now feels it must arm up even further to rectify its loss.

In either case, China very much risks pushing India to take a side, and that won't be China's.


Bottom line:
A conflict between China and India is definitely not in China's best interests.
 
I have a doubt. Where will the j-15 take off from and how will they reach andaman islands? Is there a ferry service from china...
 
Well frankly speak, put all this hegemonic plans of invasion and mega ton farts aside, we all know what PLA do to invade islands, they send thousands of fishing trawlers and civilian's used as cannon fodder, type-52,62,72, df-21,31,41, all puff.
 
The Chinese fleet consists of 4 Type 054As and 2 052C/D which docks in bay near the indian islands and clashs with a merchant vessel and MOD coast gaurd.

6 brahmos fired from MKIs .... Game finished
 
Man there really are some a-holes on this planet!! These fools keep fantasing over war like it is some game. War is not an effing game! War is bloody, it is messy, it is horrid and it should be avioded at all costs. I dare say the OP wouldn't be out there on the frontlines fighting and bleeding, no he sits behind a computer screen. Those who die in war are not just numbers they have familly, they have mothers, they have fathers, they have siblings they have children FFS!! Speaking as someone who has lost a family member in active service let me tell you it is not something you would wish on your worst enemy. War benifits no one. India and China have far too much to lose from war, they still have millions upon millions living in abject poverty and need to sustain high growth to bring them out of it. Gladly the world isn't run by idiots like you and on both sides the leaders are being sensible and wise.


You are a comple fool if you want to see war, an absolute fool whom I have no time for.
 
Synopsis: India gets involved in the South China sea disputes by drillings and Maritime manovours using the nicobar Islands as its main Naval base. A CPC hawk gets into power and get annoyed and urges India to show constriant, or the consequence will be severe. India is reluctant to act upon the Chinese warning assuming its another complaints from the commies. Chinese general staff then advises the Party secutary to make naval exercises in the nicobar islands. The Chinese fleet consists of 4 Type 054As and 2 052C/D which docks in bay near the indian islands and clashs with a merchant vessel and MOD coast gaurd. This clash eurpts into violence when a Kolkota class DDG intervene and mistakes the dispute between the merchant/Coast guard and the chinesr fleet as an an provocotive action and fires blank shots at the Chinese vessels. The chinese fire a mock AshM but the Indian DDG fires an Bahomas block 2 or 3 missile sinking a Type 054A and damaging another. The Type 052s flees while overhauling the damage vessel. The incident sparks mass protest in China focuing attention from the goverment actions and Japan to India. Hawkish elemants in the PLA high command and the conservative oriented party officals force the Party secutary to send a Carrier tasks force to protect rescure vessels and recive the damaged Type 054A and its remaining personnels. However the objective changed when the Indian navy threatern to block the Malaca straits as part its naval doctrine for incidents like this. Two IN carriers are deployed from the eastern command heads of to the nicobar island base and then closes of the Malaca straits in an attempt of blocking chinese trade. The Indian Carrier Group consist of 5 P-15 or Shilka stealth frigate and 5 Kolkata style DDG with Barak 8 AAM and Bahomas CM. The chinese carrier consists of 4 Type 052A for Medium level AD and 5 Type 052D and 2 Type 055 new 11,000 DDG with 90 H-9/H-18 with long range ABM capability and RW jammers, non radar detective communication with Data link update system and land attack CM with march 2 (lower than bahomas but more smart and sea skimming) and naval version of D-21 Anti carrier/AshM. The IN carrier contains poorer AAD but carriers 40 Mig 29K while China has stronger AAD for its carrier ( Goalkeeper with smart bullets and F-2000 RAAM) and 30 J-15. At the first battle, Indian AWACs discovers a Chineses CBG and alerts the IN CBG blocking malaca to fire fire long range Bahomas. Bahomas travelling March 4 fails to hit the Carrier because the type 052D knocks it out by firing HQ missiles in a rush and damages its VLS modules in a hast to down the Indian missiles. A Indian kilo fires a topedo at the Damaged type 052D and distroys it rudder pralysing it. However a Type 054 detects the sub and fires topedoes at the Kilo and it is distroyed with lose of crew. The 2 Type 55 fires a barrage of DF-21 at the indian Kolkota DDG and Sinks all but one. Knowing it Barak 8 is useless the indians fire every bahomas and sinks the already damaged Type 052DDG and a Type 054A but fails to distroy the PLA CBG. The Carrier of PLA gets close and uses EW warfare against the frigates and lone Kolkota and detects the carrier using OVTL radar and Satallites. Under EW protection a J-15 group task forces gets into air hunts down the IN carrer but fails to sink it as thme face airborne Mig-29K. J-15 trikes the migs into flying the SAM umberella of the medium range missiles of the remaining type 054 and few Migs survive. The superior ASEA of J-15 finish of the last of the migs and gets air dominance. How the Indian carrier retreats with few survivors and China wins.
disgusting wet dream!!
Any idiot can write such stupid fictional story!
@all
If a chinese or their cheerleaders:-)pakistan:) write a story then chinese will always come out as a winner and if an Indian writes story it would be India which gonna win!
So, basically such threads are baseless and commenting on them is useless.:hitwall:
 
Tell you what.

Write a game around this theme and get some like-minded goons on the Indian side to play it.


Let them dream mate, China cannot take on India in IOR (our back yard) If we continue in our naval build up we can not only negate China but also teach a lesson who ever sides with China. :agree:
 
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