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A Comparison between Alexander and Hazrat Omar RA (Fouth Khalifa of Islam)

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Alexander Macedonia became king at the age of 20 , when he turned 23 years old, he first conquered Greece and then entered in Turkey, then defeated Dara in Iran , and then he conquered Jerusalem and Babylon, and then went to Egypt, after Egypt he came to India and defeated king Porus.
He laid down the foundation of Phalia City in the memory of his beloved horse and then he ride back through Makran (in Pakistan) during his way back he was caught in fever and died in the palace of Bakht Nasr at the age of 33.
The world was told that he was a great General and a King and therefore the world knows and called him as a Alexander the Great.

Now in the 21st century we can put a question in front of Historians of the twenty-first century, was Alexander was a really a great General in front of the Hazrat Umar Farooq (RA). Just think when Alexander become king at the at of 20, the best Archers taught him archery and he was taught horse riding by the best experts, and got the teachers like Aristotle (Arostu).

On the other hand Hazrat Umar Farooq (RA), none of his last 7 generations was any King. He was grown up by browing camals, he didn't learned horse riding or art of Archery and sword from any teacher.
Alexander conquered 18,00,000 square miles area with a strong and organized army during his 10 years kingdom. On the Other hand Hazrat Umar Farooq (RA) conquered 22,00,000 square miles area without any trained army during 10 Years (Including Rome and Iran superpowers of that time.)
The whole region was conquered by horse back riding under the management of Hazrat Umar Farooq (RA) and he implemented that management in the best way.
Alexander assassinated numerous famous Generals during the war who fought against him, even his army refused to obey his orders and to march forward in India.
On the other hand none of any soldier of Hazrat Omar refused any order or disobeyed to him. He was a kind of leader that during the battlefield he order his great general Hazrat Khalid bin Waleed to resign from his leadership in the battlefield and Hazrat Khalid bin Waleed obeyed his orders. He dismissed Hazrat Saad bin Abi Waqas from the governors of KOFFA Iraq.
He withdrawn the governing from Hazrat Harith ibn Ka'b, he ordered to confiscate the property of governor Umro bin AlAas. He called back the governor of Hirs and as a penalty ordered him to look after camels.

But none of his decisions were challenged by anybody because everybody knew that those decisions were based on true justice.

Alexander conquered 18,00,000 square miles area but couldn't gave any system to this world. But Hazrat Omar gave many systems to this world which are still exists in many forms.

It was Harzt Omar who:
1 - Adopted the sentence أصلوأة خير من النوم (Prayer is Better than Sleep) in Fajar Prayer.
2 - During his tenure the Tarawee Prayer was started regularly.
3 - He gave the punishment for drinking of alcohol.
4 - He started and lay down the foundation of Islamic Hijri Year.
5 - He gave and started the salaries to Mozans (Who Say Azan for Prayers).
6 - He order to maintain light in all Mosques during night times.
7 - He adopted a complete court system where even he himself was answerable.
8 - He introduced the idea of Jail Systems for criminals.
9 - He introduced the Canal System for agriculture and irrigation system.
10 -He first time made the Army FOB's (Forward operating bases) and laid the foundation of a military departments and a complete organization system.
11 - He first time in the world ordered to gave funds and benefits and appointed regular salaries for infants and widows.
12 - He first time in the world introduced the Post office system.
13 - He first time ordered to wear uniforms for Police.

On his table there was never served two dishes for him he eated only one dish. He was used to lay down and rest during the travel on the earth and make a pillow of his elbow or bricks. There were many patches on this dress, he was used to wear thick and rough clothes.
Whenever he appointed any governor he advised him that never ride or sit on a Turkish horse (was used for a status symbol for rich peoples), and don't wear thin clothes , don't eat screened flour , do not keep guard on the door so he can't stop anybody coming for complaints - He was used to say that a leader who do justice sleep fearless-
On his official seal it was written.... "Umar - remember death is sufficient for Advice"

His words even today are kept meaning as Charter for Human Right Organizations, that "Children are born free from their mothers when you made the slaves ?"
When he was died he was under the debt and that debt was paid after selling his house.

If the historians of today compare the personalities of Alexander and Hazra Omar (RA). Alexander is like a stone in front of a mountain.

The empire of Alexandra was eliminated after 5 years of his death, But Omar conquered which areas and put the flag of Islam in the world, even today there are Islamic Govts. and audible voice of Allah Akbar is daily coming from mosques five times a day.

During the partition of British Muslims in sub continent once peoples of Lahore threatened the British company and said "if we came out of houses, then you will remember what was a Genghis Khan"' .
And Juahr Lal Nehru said 'I am so sorry that Muslims forgot that they had a great leader like Umar Farooq ( RA) in their history.
 
No comparison - and Alexander never defeated Porus.

BTW - What is meaning of "fouth Khalifa"?
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Alexander, The Ordinary

The facts narrated below will expose the popular myth about the so-called world-conquerer "Alexander, The Great(?)". I am sure your readers will be interested to learn the truth about the mis-adventures of Alexander in India.

Alexander did not win any war on the Indian soil, he in fact lost to Porus, the king of Punjab, and had to sign a treaty with Porus in order to save his diminishing band of soldiers who were grief-stricken at the loss of their compatriots at the hands of Porus`s army, and expressed their strong desire to surrender.

Alexander after winning many battles and defeating the Persian king, invaded India and crossed Indus. Here he was joined by Ambhi, the king of Taxila. Ambhi surrendered himself to Alexander. He was enemy of Porus and wished to defeat Porus with the help of Alexander.

The facts of Alexander`s miserable defeat and his shattered dream at Indian soil have been avoided consistently by Greek historians and the same was perpetuated during British regime. But the truth which is documented in many narratives of the Europeans themselves presents a totally different picture. The depictions by Curtius, Justin, Diodorus, Arrian and Plutarch are quite consistent and reliable in concluding that Alexander was defeated by Porus and had to make a treaty with him to save his and his soldiers` lives. He was a broken man at his return from his mis-adventures in India.

In the Ethiopic texts, Mr E.A.W. Badge has included an account of "The Life and Exploits of Alexander" where he writes inter alia the following:

"In the battle of Jhelum a large majority of Alexander`s cavalry was killed. Alexander realized that if he were to continue fighting he would be completely ruined. He requested Porus to stop fighting. Porus was true to Indian traditions and did not kill the surrendered enemy. After this both signed treaty, Alexander then helped him in annexing other territories to his kingdom".

Mr Badge further writes that the soldiers of Alexander were grief- stricken and they began to bewail the loss of their compatriots. They threw off their weapons. They expressed their strong desire to surrender. They had no desire to fight. Alexander asked them to give up fighting and himself said, "Porus, please pardon me. I have realized your bravery and strength. Now I cannot bear these agonies. WIth a sad heart I am planning to put an end to my life. I do not desire that my soldiers should also be ruined like me. I am that culprit who has thrust them into the jaw of death. It does not become a king to thrust his soldiers into the jaws of death."

These expressions of `Alexander, The Great!` do not indicate from any stretch of imagination his victory over Porus? Can such words be uttered by a `World Conquerer"?

I am sure many readers will find in the history texts, an account of Alexander`s exploits and conquests which totally contradict what is quoted above. And most of us have been taught in the school that Alexander defeated Porus and he wept because he had no more worlds to conquer, and that is what made him `Alexander, The Great`. These myths and beliefs will receive a rude shock by these facts which show that Alexander was not that great after all, but in fact he was `Alexander, The Ordinary`.

Another myth is propagated by the Western historians that Alexander was noble and kind king, he had great respects for brave and courageous men, and so on. The truth is other-wise. He was neither a noble man nor did he have a heart of gold. He had meted out very cruel and harsh treatment to his earlier enemies. Basus of Bactria fought tooth and nail with Alexander to defend the freedom of his motherland. When he was brought before Alexander as a prisoner, Alexander ordered his servants to whip him and then cut off his nose and ears. He then killed him. Many Persian generals were killed by him.

The murder of Kalasthenese, nephew of Aristotle, was committed by Alexander because he criticised Alexander for foolishly imitating the Persian emperors. Alexander also murdered his friend Clytus in anger. His father`s trusted lieutenant Parmenian was also murdered by Alexander. The Indian soldiers who were returning from Masanga were most atrociously murdered by Alexander in the dead of night. These exploits do not prove Alexander`s kindness and greatness, but only an ordinary emperor driven by the zeal of expanding his empire.
Prof. Dinesh Agrawal
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He was the second Caliph not the fourth one.
 
Hazrat Umar Farooq (RA) conquered 22,00,000 square miles area . How they knew that?? Inchi(measuring) tape was available at that time :eek: or they used tree branches to measure it..
 
Hazrat Umar Farooq (RA) conquered 22,00,000 square miles area . How they knew that?? Inchi(measuring) tape was available at that time :eek: or they used tree branches to measure it..

lol at inchi tape
 
While extolling the virtues of omar,also do note the large scale enslavement of the persian population and atrocities carried on women and children by the arab armies under him.A fact conviniently forgotten while praising the caliphs.
Also omar personally is in no way equal of alexander in military genius,khalid won his empire for him.Infact when khalid was sacked by omar for becoming too popular - a most ingratitous move,he could have conducted a coup'd'tat.He had enough support in the army.But refused due to disinterest in poliitics and as populace had chosen omar.
 
Muslim who wrote against the great Calipha Surely had some grudge.
 
Hazrat Umar Farooq (RA) conquered 22,00,000 square miles area . How they knew that?? Inchi(measuring) tape was available at that time :eek: or they used tree branches to measure it..

A senior member like you must pay some respect to Hazrat Umar (RA). This article is written in modern days and even in old days then have proper system to measure area and it is called furlong system and
1 furlong =0.201168 kilometres and other systems are also used please check that
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Arabic_units_of_measurement
 
Imam ali is the best he fought more than 100 battle he never lost in duel even Khalid bin al waleed could no defeated him

When did they ever fight with each other?
And if they had then the sword of Allah would have defeated him.
But lets not speculate amongst ourselves. 
While extolling the virtues of omar,also do note the large scale enslavement of the persian population and atrocities carried on women and children by the arab armies under him.A fact conviniently forgotten while praising the caliphs.
Also omar personally is in no way equal of alexander in military genius,khalid won his empire for him.Infact when khalid was sacked by omar for becoming too popular - a most ingratitous move,he could have conducted a coup'd'tat.He had enough support in the army.But refused due to disinterest in poliitics and as populace had chosen omar.


Can you please provide proof of the atrocities carried on women and children by the Arab armies at that time? Or were you just shooting an arrow in the dark, hoping to hit a mark.
 
@ slayer 786 & Salman
No doubt Hazrat Ali was the greatest warrior of all , including Hz khalid bin Waleed ... But what is the point in comparing them when they fought for the same cause ?? 
lol, you're the retard son. Thread is about another era, OP claims Rome was conquered in that era when it wasn't. then you came in with irelevant ramblings about prophecies.

Please, i have no time to waste with such illiterates as yourself.

So you want to say that Levant was not conquered during that time ?? Levant was one of the most important parts of roman empire ... Go back and take a few history classes , Your posts have made you look like a real fool .. Anyways if you have something relevant to say, post it , otherwise I dont have any time to reply to your BS
 
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Plz correct the title of your thread. Hazrat RA was the second caliph. Even your spelling is wrong. Plz brother correct the title or remove thread and post again correctly. This is bay adbi.
 
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