14,000 FATA youth to join Pakistan army

[Psychic]

Unlike Punjab, this belt has historically always produced professional soldiers which has served in the armies of Delhi sultanates, Mughal empire, Deccan sultanates and even in armies of Hindu Rajas. If you think about it, share of rich and fertile Punjab in army shouldnt be more than 10%, most of the soldiers should have been recruited from relatively arid and rugged regions of FATA, South KPK and Balochistan.

Thiss is not Mughal era. Open your eyes to the reality because many Sindhis are among the best soldiers Pakistan has, training and physical conditioning can make any one from any race a best soldier. The martial crap theories have expired now.

 

[django]

Officer core was not on my mind, British recruited Sipahis from Punjab and Pakhtunkhwa and at that time education was not a big deal. Afghanistan produces undisciplined soldiers, because they didnt inherited the superior military infrastructure from British like Pakistan and India did. On average Afghan is superior soldier, if he is part of superior military and gets better training and education. The performance of army of communist regime of Afghanistan was actually very impressive, only 40 thousand strong but far superior to present day ANA.

In my opinion , the basic criteria for a good soldier is fearlessness, then you and discipline that fearless soldier. For commanders, its possession of leadership qualities and iron nerves. I am not a military expert, just my raw thoughts

Totally concur with you on the point you made in regards to the communist army being better than the rag tag bacha baz ANA military of today where most so called soldiers can not even read a map, The communist's had some effective commanders like Shahnawaz Tania whereas today they are old political appointees. They really did a number on the mujahadeen in jalalabad.

 

[Samandri]

Thiss is not Mughal era. Open your eyes to the reality because many Sindhis are among the best soldiers Pakistan has, training and physical conditioning can make any one from any race a best soldier. The martial crap theories have expired now.

Its not about race, those from Agricultural communities of fertile lands should have less percentage for obvious reasons, not Just Punjab but recruitment from fertile valley of Peshawar should also be decreased. While people from relatively arid and barren regions like FATA, GB, Balochistan and South KP should have maximum presence, on principle around 90%. History comes into play if some one put a question if people of these region can even produce an efficient soldier. These improvised regions are already deprived of economic corridor, so kindly dont be offended by my suggestion, its nothing about genetics.

 

[gangsta_rap]

The performance of army of communist regime of Afghanistan was actually very impressive, only 40 thousand strong but far superior to present day ANA

Interesting.Do you think the ethnic composition of the 80s Afghan army was the same or different compared to today's ANA?

 

[Samandri]

Interesting.Do you think the ethnic composition of the 80s Afghan army was the same or different compared to today's ANA?

I am not aware of the exact ethnic composition of that Army. It would be interesting to find about that.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Officer core was not on my mind, British recruited Sipahis from Punjab and Pakhtunkhwa and at that time education was not a big deal. Afghanistan produces undisciplined soldiers, because they didnt inherited the superior military infrastructure from British like Pakistan and India did. On average Afghan is superior soldier, if he is part of superior military and gets better training and education. The performance of army of communist regime of Afghanistan was actually very impressive, only 40 thousand strong but far superior to present day ANA.

In my opinion , the basic criteria for a good soldier is fearlessness, then you train and discipline that fearless soldier. For commanders, its possession of leadership qualities and iron nerves. I am not a military expert, just my raw thoughts

On an average an afghan us a better soldier?

Yeah when it comes to desertion,green on green shootings,opium & bacha bazi afghan soldier takes the cake...


Even the commie Army of Afghanistan suffered the same issues as the current ANA...

The hindu rajputs were very good soldiers but used obsolete tactics and their power crumbled... The sikhs reached Jamrud... Hindu shahi ruled kabul.... Alexander conquered afghanistan... And so did countless others... Not due to race... But tactics !


The battle of hue... A thousand hundred US marines fought 10000 NVA and achieved their objectives ... Thanks to "tactics" and later air support lol.


There is no much thing as a better soldier otherwise even a black US soldier would outclass any warrior !


Afghans claim nobody could conquer Afghanistan? The reality is conquering it has always been easy... Occupying & remaining in control of a mountainous terrain as compared to plains is the difficult part...

 

[cleverrider]

Thiss is not Mughal era. Open your eyes to the reality because many Sindhis are among the best soldiers Pakistan has, training and physical conditioning can make any one from any race a best soldier. The martial crap theories have expired now.

Why so serious, don’t hate. Not everybody is similar, the same applies to races. That’s why you see some achieve more than others. Since 47 history is witness that Pakistan Army led by Punjabi establishment is...what can I say it hurts my feelings too. From 71 mess up to not successfully capturing Kashmir considering some opportunities, good soldiers are part of success story but it does not end there. Successfully knocking out a bigger enemy needs hard work and no space for mistakes, Since independence history shows without getting into details some unkown and some known. Let’s just say they are lacking the X factor.

Keeping in mind they have been in power since 47 directly and indirectly. Just read the history, certainly some embarrassing bits. Time to come out from their golf courses, illegally occupied lands/kents and prepare for the bigger enemy that is getting stronger by the day.

 

[Samandri]

On an average an afghan us a better soldier?

Yeah when it comes to desertion,green on green shootings,opium & bacha bazi afghan soldier takes the cake...


Even the commie Army of Afghanistan suffered the same issues as the current ANA...

The hindu rajputs were very good soldiers but used obsolete tactics and their power crumbled... The sikhs reached Jamrud... Hindu shahi ruled kabul.... Alexander conquered afghanistan... And so did countless others... Not due to race... But tactics !


The battle of hue... A thousand hundred US marines fought 10000 NVA and achieved their objectives ... Thanks to "tactics" and later air support lol.


There is no much thing as a better soldier otherwise even a black US soldier would outclass any warrior !


Afghans claim nobody could conquer Afghanistan? The reality is conquering it has always been easy... Occupying & remaining in control of a mountainous terrain as compared to plains is the difficult part...

Oh Bhai what are you blabbing about, are you saying that FATA and Balochistan can not produce good soldiers?......you say there there is no such thing as better soldier. I disagree. A brave and fearless one is better soldier then a buzdil coward soldier. For example there is a soldier who stands on his feet and fight to the death and there is a soldier who runs away or collapses due to fear and nerve wreck, the former is superior.

About technology, are implying that individual American soldier is superior to a Pakistani soldier because of technology?

 

[cleverrider]

Oh Bhai what are you blabbing about, are you saying that FATA and Balochistan can not produce good soldiers?......you say there there is no such thing as better soldier. I disagree. A brave and fearless one is better soldier then a buzdil coward soldier. For example there is a soldier who stands on his feet and fight to the death and there is a soldier who runs away or collapses due to fear and nerve wreck, the former is superior.

About technology, are implying that individual American soldier is superior to a Pakistani soldier because of technology?

Leave these guys mate, most of their families belong to military and you can clearly see the biased. I will rather stick to facts and figures, But what’s more alarming is that when they are taught one Muslim soldier = 10 Hindu soldiers and Allah is on our side, when there are more Muslims in India.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Oh Bhai what are you blabbing about, are you saying that FATA and Balochistan can not produce good soldiers?...

Don't put words in my mouth just because you lack basi comprehension skills or just because you are forced by your habit..

A soldier from Balochistan or FATA is as Professional as his counterpart from Punjab,Sindh or GB...


Unlike you I'm not implying that somehow due to some unexplainable and retarded logic the average afghan is a better soldier than a Pakistani!

you say there there is no such thing as better soldier. I disagree. A brave and fearless one is better soldier then a buzdil coward soldier. For example there is a soldier who stands on his feet and fight to the death and there is a soldier who runs away or collapses due to fear and nerve wreck, the former is superior.

All those characteristics depends or carry from one person to another.. A martial "Marwat" or a Marri or a Jatt or Kalhoro or Balti etc can be brave or a "buzdil" .. No ethnic group has some sort of Monoply over bravery or valour ... Apart from that it depends on the upbringing aswell... A boy raised by 7 sisters in the protection of his house will most probably be a sissy... Or a man who has never raised a wild animal or a dog (example) will always hesitate when confronted with one..

About technology, are implying that individual American soldier is superior to a Pakistani soldier because of technology?

Technology,tactics and courage ... That's what is nessecary for a good soldier... A red neck with an M-4 and the latest body armour can be taken out even by a 13 year old if the former has a weak heart.. Etc

Leave these guys mate, most of their families belong to military and you can clearly see the biased. I will rather stick to facts and figures, But what’s more alarming is that when they are taught one Muslim soldier = 10 Hindu soldiers and Allah is on our side, when there are more Muslims in India.

Funny fact in 71 our troops comanded by Gen Niazi were outnumbered 1:20+ by indian military alone .. Excluding hundreds of thousands of Mukti Bhainis and the physical blockade with the mainland East Pak ... By an ocean and a hostile enemy in between surrounding EP from 3 sides...

 

[Psychic]

Oh Bhai what are you blabbing about, are you saying that FATA and Balochistan can not produce good soldiers?......you say there there is no such thing as better soldier. I disagree. A brave and fearless one is better soldier then a buzdil coward soldier. For example there is a soldier who stands on his feet and fight to the death and there is a soldier who runs away or collapses due to fear and nerve wreck, the former is superior.

About technology, are implying that individual American soldier is superior to a Pakistani soldier because of technology?

The entire world has produced and is producing brave soldiers, if you want to imply that non pushtoon Pakistanis are not brave then you should take a look at history of warfare...The British soldiers and officers (not belonging to rugged Scotland but from cities) who made frontal assaults in Somme during WW1 any less brave? The Prussians were not good fighters? Napolean's troops were cowards? The kamikaze who rammed their planes on US ships were sissys? The 16 year old boys of HitlerJugend who faught till death much superior British forces at Cean any less brave than Pushtoons or Afghans?

Keep believing in myths of a certain race where as the reality is that the entire world's history is full of examples of bravery (much greater tales of valour than your Afghans).
Were the Kashmiris who liberated Mirpur from Dogras less brave? were the Gilgities who fought till death at Kargil any less brave? Sorry, the type of things in which you believe are out dated!

 

[Indus Pakistan]

This is good news. I am not going get trapped into any "race" debates. I will say though that people who are poor and live in extremely difficult environment are better suited for army life providing the training is right. This is not about race. A spolit 18 year old from Lahore won't have the stomach to march all day without food etc Of course there are exceptions but I am talking about as general rule. Soldiering is rough life and not for those brought up in comfort.

The other thing FATA and areas like this are extremely backward economically. This gives jobs, pensions and puts money into these poor communties. In the long run it also helps to integrate these areas into Pakistan, culturaly and economically. It is win win for all. What would have the youth from these areas serving the country or picking a gun and joining some group because they have no jobs? Would you spend millions fighting them or have them fighting for their country?

This is great news. glad somebody in high places has got bit of sense. I think we need to recruit more men from there. I live in UK and the army constantly faces shortage because of course there are so many jobs that pay well. What soldiers the British Army gets come from rough areas who are prepared to put up with rough life.

These boys will make good soldiers. The Pakistan Army thanks to the British tradition now has good training facelties and very good NCOs to train the soldiers. Discipline is also very good. The only thing is I am not sure if these boys should be deployed in FATA. I would move these units made from FATA boys to the Indian border or Kashmir LOC. Then shift other units from there to fight the TTP. Anyway I am sure the army knows best but I think they need to increase the numbers even more.


Ps. Most of ANA is Tajik. Apparently they claim 20% is Pashtun but I read reports those figures are fabricated. In fact ANA is just Northern Alliance in uniform. In particular their officer cadre.The Police in southern and eastern districts is mostly local Pashtun.

 

[Psychic]

Why so serious, don’t hate. Not everybody is similar, the same applies to races. That’s why you see some achieve more than others. Since 47 history is witness that Pakistan Army led by Punjabi establishment is...what can I say it hurts my feelings too. From 71 mess up to not successfully capturing Kashmir considering some opportunities, good soldiers are part of success story but it does not end there. Successfully knocking out a bigger enemy needs hard work and no space for mistakes, Since independence history shows without getting into details some unkown and some known. Let’s just say they are lacking the X factor.

Keeping in mind they have been in power since 47 directly and indirectly. Just read the history, certainly some embarrassing bits. Time to come out from their golf courses, illegally occupied lands/kents and prepare for the bigger enemy that is getting stronger by the day.

LMAO. one man talks that only a certain race is brave and others are sissys and you endorse that?

Leave these guys mate, most of their families belong to military and you can clearly see the biased. I will rather stick to facts and figures, .

The closest military thing in my family was my JCO great grandfather who fought at Burma. You and your friend living in Mughal era and ignorant of reality do not make us Baised.

But what’s more alarming is that when they are taught one Muslim soldier = 10 Hindu soldiers and Allah is on our side, when there are more Muslims in India.

That is not what we are taught, that is what is written in Surah e Al Infal. Now keep endorsing racists

 

[Samandri]

The entire world has produced and is producing brave soldiers, if you want to imply that non pushtoon Pakistanis are not brave then you should take a look at history of warfare...The British soldiers and officers (not belonging to rugged Scotland but from cities) who made frontal assaults in Somme during WW1 any less brave? The Prussians were not good fighters? Napolean's troops were cowards? The kamikaze who rammed their planes on US ships were sissys? The 16 year old boys of HitlerJugend who faught till death much superior British forces at Cean any less brave than Pushtoons or Afghans?

Keep believing in myths of a certain race where as the reality is that the entire world's history is full of examples of bravery (much greater tales of valour than your Afghans).
Were the Kashmiris who liberated Mirpur from Dogras less brave? were the Gilgities who fought till death at Kargil any less brave? Sorry, the type of things in which you believe are out dated!

You people are obsessed with martial race theory. Its not about the race and genetics, those from improvised and non-agricultural lands , whether Pashtun or non-Pashtun, should be 80-90% of the army. You people can earn from zamindari. Punjab has already deprived our belt and Balochistan of economic corridor, so shouldnt be selfish about army. Th purpose of mentioning history, was to say that FATA people are up to the task.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

The Mongol conquered countless nations not just because he was brave ... Because of his tactics... Because of his horse and his bow....

The persians were defeated by the Greeks at Thermopylae not because greeks were brave and the persians "buzdil" but because the Greek was not just brave but also a better tactician!

You people are obsessed with martial race theory. Its not about the race and genetics, those from improvised and non-agricultural lands , whether Pashtun or non-Pashtun, should be 80-90% of the army. You people can earn from zamindari. Punjab has already deprived our belt and Balochistan of economic corridor, so shouldnt be selfish about army. Th purpose of mentioning history, was to say that FATA people are up to the task.

Good to see you have had a change of heart ... Ironic cuz just last year you were given a negative rating for saying the opposite...

Anyways ... I agree ... That is exactly why you will see that it is the Potohar region from where most of Punjabi recruits come from... From the british era to 2015... Why? Because of the lack of fertile soil and opportunities... No wonder there is a common joke that "Potohar mein fouji ugtay haien"..