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Just a thread for general discussion purposes.

France and Sweden both produce modern day 4.5+gen fighter jets. And have made no plans to procure any F-35's or import any aircraft. Industrially and Technologically, How hard would it be for these countries to produce stealth technology for next generation fighters.
Are there any plans for either of them to go ahead with any next-generation fighter projects?

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Alone I'd imagine it would be exceedingly difficult. They would need some guaranteed buys aside from their own (unless they have a 1000+ 5th gen airforce planned), or else their costs will skyrocket The best option would be a collaborative effort, but they might not have enough partners to make it viable.

Either way, it will be a huge undertaking, but given how France is, they might do it anyway, whatever the inefficiency and cost.

As for Sweden, with a total yearly gdp of less than 1 trillion, I struggle to see how they could fund a 5th gen program on their own for any reasonable time frame that wouldn't leave it obsolete by the time it became operational.
 
Both countries produce world class fighters. Given the downtrend of global economies, it would be a better option for Dassault and SAAB to jointly develop a 5th gen fighter and partner few asian and latin american countries if possible to cut down the costs.
 
I'm game for a 6th gen JV between India and France. Something that can become available in 2035, that's 10 years after FGFA's introduction.
 
Just a thread for general discussion purposes.

France and Sweden both produce modern day 4.5+gen fighter jets. And have made no plans to procure any F-35's or import any aircraft. Industrially and Technologically, How hard would it be for these countries to produce stealth technology for next generation fighters.
Are there any plans for either of them to go ahead with any next-generation fighter projects?

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Both countries produce world class fighters. Given the downtrend of global economies, it would be a better option for Dassault and SAAB to jointly develop a 5th gen fighter and partner few asian and latin american countries if possible to cut down the costs.
Yeah, but you know how France is.
They would do it on there own or not do it all.

I'm game for a 6th gen JV between India and France. Something that can become available in 2035, that's 10 years after FGFA's introduction.
No way, in any case would that be possible.

Looks like J-20.

Alone I'd imagine it would be exceedingly difficult. They would need some guaranteed buys aside from their own (unless they have a 1000+ 5th gen airforce planned), or else their costs will skyrocket The best option would be a collaborative effort, but they might not have enough partners to make it viable.

Either way, it will be a huge undertaking, but given how France is, they might do it anyway, whatever the inefficiency and cost.

As for Sweden, with a total yearly gdp of less than 1 trillion, I struggle to see how they could fund a 5th gen program on their own for any reasonable time frame that wouldn't leave it obsolete by the time it became operational.
I think France could, possibly some time after 2025.
 
No way, in any case would that be possible.

It is obviously possible. MKI production gave way to FGFA JV. Rafale production will naturally give way to a next gen replacement program.

@Picdelamirand-oil proposed France can join AMCA development. But we can think higher, with a real long term development program for a post 2035 induction.
 
Yeah, but you know how France is.
They would do it on there own or not do it all.


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I guess they joined the Eurofighter consortium previously but eventually backed off due to differences in finances and work share. If only France and Sweden would agree on proper finances and work share and rather partner with an Asian country for finances instead of an European country, I'm damn sure they would develop a world class 5th gen fighter which may even be better than the F35
 
I guess they joined the Eurofighter consortium previously but eventually backed off due to differences in finances and work share. If only France and Sweden would agree on proper finances and work share and rather partner with an Asian country for finances instead of an European country, I'm damn sure they would develop a world class 5th gen fighter which may even be better than the F35
I think France would be able to do it on there own, but Sweden would nee partners.
 

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