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I agree about turbofan Engine
USA and The UK rules turbofan Engine technology


but total of Aviation Industry

1 -- USA
2 -- Russia
3 -- China

Others not even close

4 -- France

France has Mirage-2000 , Rafale , A400M , A330-MRTT , H-215 and H225M Helicopters and TIGRE Attack Helicopter
also Satellites from THALES and AIRBUS
AAROK UCAV under development
NEURON stealth UCAV under development



in 2028-2030 , Turkiye will enter top 5

-- HURKUS trainer and light Attack Aircraft
-- HURJET trainer and light Attack Fighter Jet
-- KAAN 5th gen Fighter Jet
-- KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet
-- ANKA-3 flying wing deep strike stealth UCAV

-- TB-2 , TB-3 , ANKA , AKSUNGUR and AKINCI UCAVs
-- SUPER SIMSEK , KARGI kamikaze Drones

-- T-629 light Attack Helicopter
-- T-929 heavy Attack Helicopter

-- T-625 utility Helicopter ( 6 tons )
-- T-925 utility Helicopter ( 10+ tons )

-- Satelittes
-- Hybrid Rocket Engine and Liquid propellant Rocket Engine technologies for Turkish Space Program
-- Satellite Launch Vehicle

-- TF-6.000 and TF-10.000 turbofan Engines for ANKA-3 and KIZILELMA
-- TF-35.000 turbofan Engines for KAAN
-- TS-1.400 and TS-3.000 turboshaft Engines for Helicopters
-- PD-170 and PD-220 Engines for TB-3 , ANKA , AKSUNGUR and AKINCI UCAVs
-- KTJ-1750 , KTJ-3200 , KTJ-3700 turbojet Engines for CAKIR , SOM , ATMACA Cruise Missiles
-- TEI PG-50 and TEI TJ-90 Engine to power Kamikaze Drones


ALSO
-- REDET-II Radar Electronic Warfare System
-- Airborne stand off Jammer
-- Targeting and EW Jamming Pods
-- FEWS EW Suite for Fighter Jets
-- HEWS EW Suite for Helicopters
-- ERALP Early warning AESA Radar ( GaN ) technology )
-- MURAD and BURFIS AESA Radars ( GaN ) technology ) for Fighter Jets
-- TULGAR Helmet Integrated Imaging System
-- IRST , BEOS/EOTS (Advanced optical Systems)
-- Directional Infrared Counter Measures .. ( Aselsan YILDIRIM DIRCM)
-- MILDAR Millimeter wave fire control Radar for Attack Helicopters
-- HEHSIS 360 degree Electronic Warfare Counter Measure System

All kinds of Missiles and Guided Bombs
-- SOM , CAKIR , KUZGUN-TJ air launched Cruise Missile
-- KEMANKES mini smart Cruise Missile
-- AKBABA supersonic anti-radiation Missile
-- IHA-230 air launched supersonic Ballistic Missile

-- TEBER , HGK , KGK , LGK , NEB , TOLUN , SDB guided Bombs

-- BOZDOGAN WVR Air to Air Missile
-- GOKDOGAN BVR Air to Air Missile
-- GOKHAN ramjet powered long range Air to Air Missile

-- KORKUT 35 mm SPAAG with airbust ammunition
-- SUNGUR MANPADS
-- GURZ hybrid Air Defense System
-- GOKDEMIR medium altitude Air Defense System
-- HISAR-A low altitude Air Defense System
-- HISAR-O medium altitude Air Defense System
-- SIPER high altitude Air Defense System
-- GUMS Ballistic Missile Intercaptor

Well we are basically of similar thoughts although I put France above Russia in overall even thyough Russia has more stuff and programs. Indeed Turkey's industry progress has been second to none. Particularly considering size and available resources much less than even Russia.

What is the latest military engine 100% studied and built by GB ? I think it is the Spey, a 60's engine.
Since they were all made with other europeans country.

M88 is far younger, 100% french, was at his time the engine with the higher core temperature (1850°K).

So UK is no more the 2nd in the world in term of military engine. I don't know if France is second, but france is probably at least on par with GB.


No engine = no weapon and radar and electronic measures in the sky !
See Italy : they are able to built nice radars, nice weapons, nice electronic counter measures systems, but don't have the industrial and R&D bases to built their own engine.


I agree.

EJ-200 is basically UK's engine. From a BAe program. Yeah Yeah with others but original BAe program was >80% of the final EJ-200 engine.
 
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In a war .. You can not say that Chinese weapons wont work .. because of copy

China has enough technology and modern facilities to produce everything to fight against even USA
The main problem of Chinese weapons is that they all are not war proven.

How potent are the chinese SD10 and SD15 air missile ? Are they ready to resist to the US vast ectronic counter measures systems ? May be.... or not.

China has another weakness : chinese armies are built on the russian system : very centralized. We see in Ukraine how they always are late because lack of proper battlefield assesment and always late to transmit orders to the field. See how many SAM, artillery and tanks are destroyed by HIMARS. Ukraine loop of decision is short, far shorter than the russian one. So is China.

China has the numbers (as russia) not the mastery. And instead of russian weapons, absolutely no war proven goodies.

Rolls Royce produced 2 prototypes
only paper project.
ORPHEUS is a concept. Nothing real so far.
 
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I put France above Russia in overall even thyough Russia has more stuff and programs.

France only can dream about Russian Aviation Industry


What about France ? only RAFALE Fighter Jet is special .. nothing else


Fighter Jets
Russia has MIG-35 , SU-34 ,SU-35 and SU-57 to match with French RAFALE
MIG-29M2 , SU-27 , SU-30 to match with French Mirage-2000
MIG-31 armed with KINZHAL hypersonic Ballistic Missile

China has J-20 to match with French RAFALE
J-10 , J-11 , J-16 to match with French Mirage-2000
J-31 under development

Winner = Russia


Straegic Bombers
Russia : TU-95 , TU-22M and TU-160
China : H-6
France : NO

Winner = Russia


AWACS
Russia : A-50
China : KJ-200 , KJ-500 , KJ-2000
France : NO


Strategic Transport Aircraft
Russia : AN-124 and IL-76
China : Y-20
France : A400M

Winner = Russia


Air refueling Tanker
Russia : IL-78M
China : H-6U
France : A330-MRTT

SIGINT/ELINT Aircraft
Russia : TU-214R
China : NO
France : NO

Winner = Russia


Heavy Attack Helicopters
Russia : KA-52 and MI-28
China : NO
France : NO

Winner = Russia
 
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France only can dream about Russian Aviation Industry


What about France ? only RAFALE Fighter Jet is special .. nothing else
:-) Your comparisons were out of this world. 30-Years Old Mirage 2000 matches with China's AESA equipped J16 and J10C. That read, the rest could be flushed down the toilet.
 
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:-) Your comparisons were out of this world. 30-Years Old Mirage 2000 matches with China's AESA equipped J16 and J10C. That read, the rest could be flushed down the toilet.

I dont compare anything

I just showing Chinese superiority over France in aviation Industry
 
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France behind GB? you are pulling our leg Bro !
Your latest jet, built with 3 other european country, is a technical and export failure.
France Alone sell more M2000 than Tornado and more Rafale (it's even not the end) than EF2000.
About radar : we are ahead than you at least 15 years (AESA).
So....

Honestly - what a load of crap !!!!

UK Aerospace technology in all fields is superior to what France has. France is NOT an equal of GB. You are confusing UK's pursuit of market efficiency and collaborative approach to projects being indicative of UK Aerospace technology itself. You are making the mikstake of looking through the prism of a physical external end product, and not the technology the UK provides and where it ends up....

When Turkey wanted some initial consultancy on the TFX programme, who did they go to ? the UK, not France. Who has the greatest technological investment in the F-35 other than the USA.. You guessed it, the UK ... Who did the Japanese go to for their 6th Gen platform? The UK. Everyone views the UK Aerospace capabilites and Industry far superiors to Frances.

The collaborative Typhoon project was a disaster for allowing both France (who harvested UK EAP tech demonstrator technology provided to the Typhoon programme to go and make the Rafale !!!!!) and Germany to participate in the project and be subject to their usual political posturing which compromised the project. The UK made the EAP alone for all of its technology and prototype .... France needed to take EAP / Typhoon technology to make the Rafale.


We in the UK have learnt our lessons and that is why the Tempest is being kept at ARMS LENGTH from both the Germans and the French.

PS - Good luck trying to make FCAS with the Germans !!! You are gonna need all the luck you can get !!!!
 
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The plane design : it's a mix of GB and german TFX studies.
engine used the XG40 study, but not only. It is built by 4 country.
EJ200 is only marginally better than SNECMA M53 of Mirage 2000. Same overall design, lighter because younger AND because used in a twin config.

EF2000 much more powerfull in air superiority? So powerfull that it's interbatianl career is now nearly over.

It is so potent that RAF decided 10 years ago not to train against Rafale because EF2000 asses were kicked too often (it's a true information).

AESA : serially used on Rafale since 2013, and with all the PESA softwares (and some others), ie it was mature from the beginning. What about the EF2000 AESA ?

The plane is ours, which German plane has flown since the war designed by themselves? I can give you a fair few that we have flown, we can start with the Harrier Jump jet.

The concept design was agreed on principle from the German idea of the TKF-90, with great changes made by British designers. However the Germans and Italians contributed nothing financially and wanted to walk away so we had to go it alone. The 'father' of the Eurofighter was the EAP, which was entirely built and every part provided by British firms. It was tested at BAe's Warton facility and went onto to fly 259 sorties.

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Heck it was even flown in your backyard at the Paris air show in 1987, which was perhaps before you were born.

The engine design and build is British, the rest of the nations are so far behind I can't believe you raised that as a point. The EJ-200 is completely based off the design and testing of the British XG-40. What are you going on about it "not only".


EJ200 is only marginally better than SNECMA M53 of Mirage 2000

Yes ok....

Snecma M88
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EJ-200

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What do you mean its international career is nearly over? It will fly in the RAF till 2040 and air arms around the world have no plans to retire it anytime soon.

Bronk is confident that the Typhoon will continue to form the backbone of the RAF until at least 2040,


RAF Typhoons would smoke your Rafales which are over glorified multirole planes. It's air to air capability is good at best, and not in the league of the Typhoon.

Read this my dear friend;

The Typhoon is able to sustain and then, due to the powerful EJ200s, regain their energy value much better than Rafale. The British Pilot said any aircraft would lose energy during the air combat merge. What Typhoon will do is regain this energy very quickly. We regain the energy in order to make the next shot. The aviator said, “I have beaten Rafale with Eurofighter Typhoon during a real flight training engagement.”
Here is a good write up on a fight between the two;

As an air to air platform, yes. As an all rounder probably not. It’s close though.

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Typhoon

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Rafale


I’m ignoring pilot integration and ease of use etc. as no-one really knows the answers to this apart from those who have designed or flown the jets and none of these people will openly discuss the details. There’s also a lot of marketing fluff on the internet for both platforms which, as you’d expect, is driving an ulterior motive other than a straightforward comparison.

Air combat is a very complex subject but pilot skill, weapons systems, and third party support (ie, AWACS) aside, in Beyond Visual Range (BVR) combat there are 3 key areas:

  1. Observability. How well can the radar and infra red detection systems of the opposition “see” your jet. It’s a huge subject in it’s own right but I won’t go into any more detail as neither the Typhoon nor the Rafale are “stealth” jets and both are easily detectable by each other’s radar (not IRST) at ranges that exceed the primary BVR weapon they both carry; the Meteor. This point ends in a draw.
  2. Sensors. Effectively the same as observability but reversed; how well can your jet “see” the enemy. Being able to detect targets and maintain a radar track is critical and both the Typhoon and the Rafale have a very similar array of sensors. Radars between the two are slightly different with the Rafale having the edge in search while Typhoon has an advantage in maintaining a track at range. Some would argue one is better than the other but they each have their own strengths and weaknesses. Even though both fighters have Infra-Red Search & Track, it isn’t really applicable at long range BVR as it has a relatively short detection range. Their Electronic Warfare (EW) suites are also comparable and both sides claim theirs to be the best in the world. Likewise, both aircraft have extensive datalink type connectivity and weapons integration to a similar level. Until the Typhoon is equipped with the new Captor-E radar (which will give it the edge) this point ends in a draw.
  3. Speed at Altitude. Now this is more interesting and there is one big reason being able to go faster at higher altitudes provides a massive advantage; missile range. The missile starts its journey at the speed of the jet it’s launched from so a faster jet means a faster missile and this translates to a longer range and No Escape Zone (NEZ). The NEZ is the range at which a target cannot defeat a missile by turning around and flying away. In addition to this, at high altitudes the air is thinner which means the missile has to contend with less drag which in turn also adds more range. Speed is also important to defeat oncoming missile threats and the faster jet will always have a lower Minimum Abort Range (MAR); in simplistic terms this is the same as the NEZ but from the perspective of the target. Therefore, all other considerations being equal, it’s reasonable to suggest that whichever airframe can give it’s missiles the largest NEZ and itself the shortest MAR can be expected to win the fight. With superior speed and altitude performance and identical BVR missiles the Typhoon is a clear winner here.
If both jets actually get into a dogfight it’s almost always decided by pilot skill rather than the platform but as I mentioned earlier, I’m only comparing the aircraft in this answer, not pilot skill.

Each fighter has very different characteristics in the Within Visual Range (WVR) and need to be flown accordingly to maximise their own advantages and nullify the advantages of their opponent.

You’ll find lots of statistics online about the sustained turn rates (how quickly can the jet turn while maintaining the same airspeed) and instantaneous turn rate (how quickly can the jet turn ignoring any loss in airspeed). The fact is that these numbers are highly dependant on lots of contributing factors and will vary according to the dimension of the turn, how much fuel each jet is carrying, ordinance, altitude, speed, even temperature. This information is not known to the general public and any source which provides a single number for any turn rate is highly suspect in my opinion.

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Illustration highlighting the difference between the canards of the Typhoon and the Rafale above

What we do know, purely from the close-coupled canard design of the Rafale, is that high lift takes priority over high speed manoeuvrability. High lift creates drag so in real terms, this means it is likely to loose more speed in the turn than the Typhoon. However, as a result it’s also likely to be able to turn tighter (instantaneous turn rate) and handle better at low speeds. The Typhoon on the other hand is expected to be able to maintain tight turns for longer (sustained turn rate), especially considering it’s superior thrust/drag to weight ratio. In simplistic theory the Rafale should be able to out-turn the Typhoon at the start of the fight (or in a low speed engagement) but will be in trouble if it doesn’t ‘kill’ the Typhoon quickly before it runs out of airspeed.

Thrust, drag, lift, and weight ratios are extremely complex but it’s generally accepted that the Typhoon has a better thrust/drag to weight ratio so maintaining and regaining energy (speed) is an advantage the Typhoon holds.

To conclude how the two compare in air to air; the superior speed at all altitudes and service ceiling gives the Typhoon the ability to control the fight. If the conditions do not favour an engagement it has the performance to disengage and re-position to maximise it’s strengths. This performance also provides superior range to it’s missiles and increases the probability of a successful ‘kill’.


In air to ground the situation is different. While the Typhoon has come a long way in A2G capability in the last few years the fact remains that the Rafale can carry more ordinance. This is undisputable and very desirable in a multi-role/swing-role/omni-role (take your pick from the marketing terms) fighter. It’s more than capable of defending itself and is a very good air superiority jet in it’s own right as well. The Typhoon does have a better operational range and super-cruise is a big benefit in the A2A role, but drop tanks make this relatively unimportant compared to the other points I’ve covered.

Other benefits the Rafale hold include a lower cost (disputable but generally accepted) than the Typhoon and the ability to operate from carriers. The latter being a huge benefit for force projection.


Overall, the Typhoon can control the air-to-air fight and will probably win against the Rafale more often than not. If you’re after a more rounded package the Rafale is, in my opinion, the worlds premier non-stealth strike fighter right now.

Watch this space though, aircraft upgrades happen all the time and all of this could change.


What about the EF2000 AESA ?


https://www.aviacionline.com/2022/07/raf-typhoon-fleet-to-receive-worlds-most-advanced-aesa-radar/?utm_content=cmp-true

As part of a £2.35 billion modernization program, RAF Typhoon fighters will be equipped with the advanced AESA ECRS Mk2 radar.


By the way where is your sixth generation aircraft?

Here is ours.

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The main problem of Chinese weapons is that they all are not war proven.

How potent are the chinese SD10 and SD15 air missile ? Are they ready to resist to the US vast ectronic counter measures systems ? May be.... or not.

China has another weakness : chinese armies are built on the russian system : very centralized. We see in Ukraine how they always are late because lack of proper battlefield assesment and always late to transmit orders to the field. See how many SAM, artillery and tanks are destroyed by HIMARS. Ukraine loop of decision is short, far shorter than the russian one. So is China.

China has the numbers (as russia) not the mastery. And instead of russian weapons, absolutely no war proven goodies.


only paper project.
ORPHEUS is a concept. Nothing real so far.
which war did the meteor prove itself in?
which war did the rafale prove itself in (that wasnt bombing villagers, rather, near peer a2a combat>)

war proven is a nonsense take.

Until the Typhoon is equipped with the new Captor-E
dont forget ECRS MK2 too
 
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This is turning into a Britain vs France thing again 🤦‍♂️
 
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When Turkey wanted some initial consultancy on the TFX programme, who did they go to ? the UK, not France.
Because politically we didn't , we don't and will will never collaborate with Erdogan's Turkey. You, englishme, only seen profits.

France is NOT an equal of GB.
You are right : we are far above.
No need of uncle Sam to study & built a SSN (without US nuc tech, no reactor for GB SSN), no need of uncle Sam to study & built a deterrent missile (Trident vs M51), no need of uncle sam to share next deterrent sub technology.

Who did the Japanese go to for their 6th Gen platform? The UK.
Only because US refused to sell F22 (a natural son for japan F15) and refuse to give them a place in NGAD.
And Tempest is all but not made....

France needed to take EAP / Typhoon technology to make the Rafale.
ARE YOU SERIOUS ? EAP has nothing impressive. A old duck made of Tornado parts.
 
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Heck it was even flown in your backyard at the Paris air show in 1987, which was perhaps before you were born.
I'm 57, so I remember very well the 1986 Farnborough air meeting, where EAP had to give its tour to Rafale because of a failure.... :yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:

That means you are an ignorant. Next subject please.

Does the Rafale have any American components ?
It is selled as ITAR Free.
 
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The plane is ours, which German plane has flown since the war designed by themselves? I can give you a fair few that we have flown, we can start with the Harrier Jump jet.

The concept design was agreed on principle from the German idea of the TKF-90, with great changes made by British designers. However the Germans and Italians contributed nothing financially and wanted to walk away so we had to go it alone. The 'father' of the Eurofighter was the EAP, which was entirely built and every part provided by British firms. It was tested at BAe's Warton facility and went onto to fly 259 sorties.

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Heck it was even flown in your backyard at the Paris air show in 1987, which was perhaps before you were born.

The engine design and build is British, the rest of the nations are so far behind I can't believe you raised that as a point. The EJ-200 is completely based off the design and testing of the British XG-40. What are you going on about it "not only".




Yes ok....

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EJ-200

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What do you mean its international career is nearly over? It will fly in the RAF till 2040 and air arms around the world have no plans to retire it anytime soon.

Bronk is confident that the Typhoon will continue to form the backbone of the RAF until at least 2040,


RAF Typhoons would smoke your Rafales which are over glorified multirole planes. It's air to air capability is good at best, and not in the league of the Typhoon.

Read this my dear friend;

The Typhoon is able to sustain and then, due to the powerful EJ200s, regain their energy value much better than Rafale. The British Pilot said any aircraft would lose energy during the air combat merge. What Typhoon will do is regain this energy very quickly. We regain the energy in order to make the next shot. The aviator said, “I have beaten Rafale with Eurofighter Typhoon during a real flight training engagement.”
Here is a good write up on a fight between the two;

As an air to air platform, yes. As an all rounder probably not. It’s close though.

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Typhoon

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Rafale


I’m ignoring pilot integration and ease of use etc. as no-one really knows the answers to this apart from those who have designed or flown the jets and none of these people will openly discuss the details. There’s also a lot of marketing fluff on the internet for both platforms which, as you’d expect, is driving an ulterior motive other than a straightforward comparison.

Air combat is a very complex subject but pilot skill, weapons systems, and third party support (ie, AWACS) aside, in Beyond Visual Range (BVR) combat there are 3 key areas:

  1. Observability. How well can the radar and infra red detection systems of the opposition “see” your jet. It’s a huge subject in it’s own right but I won’t go into any more detail as neither the Typhoon nor the Rafale are “stealth” jets and both are easily detectable by each other’s radar (not IRST) at ranges that exceed the primary BVR weapon they both carry; the Meteor. This point ends in a draw.
  2. Sensors. Effectively the same as observability but reversed; how well can your jet “see” the enemy. Being able to detect targets and maintain a radar track is critical and both the Typhoon and the Rafale have a very similar array of sensors. Radars between the two are slightly different with the Rafale having the edge in search while Typhoon has an advantage in maintaining a track at range. Some would argue one is better than the other but they each have their own strengths and weaknesses. Even though both fighters have Infra-Red Search & Track, it isn’t really applicable at long range BVR as it has a relatively short detection range. Their Electronic Warfare (EW) suites are also comparable and both sides claim theirs to be the best in the world. Likewise, both aircraft have extensive datalink type connectivity and weapons integration to a similar level. Until the Typhoon is equipped with the new Captor-E radar (which will give it the edge) this point ends in a draw.
  3. Speed at Altitude. Now this is more interesting and there is one big reason being able to go faster at higher altitudes provides a massive advantage; missile range. The missile starts its journey at the speed of the jet it’s launched from so a faster jet means a faster missile and this translates to a longer range and No Escape Zone (NEZ). The NEZ is the range at which a target cannot defeat a missile by turning around and flying away. In addition to this, at high altitudes the air is thinner which means the missile has to contend with less drag which in turn also adds more range. Speed is also important to defeat oncoming missile threats and the faster jet will always have a lower Minimum Abort Range (MAR); in simplistic terms this is the same as the NEZ but from the perspective of the target. Therefore, all other considerations being equal, it’s reasonable to suggest that whichever airframe can give it’s missiles the largest NEZ and itself the shortest MAR can be expected to win the fight. With superior speed and altitude performance and identical BVR missiles the Typhoon is a clear winner here.
If both jets actually get into a dogfight it’s almost always decided by pilot skill rather than the platform but as I mentioned earlier, I’m only comparing the aircraft in this answer, not pilot skill.

Each fighter has very different characteristics in the Within Visual Range (WVR) and need to be flown accordingly to maximise their own advantages and nullify the advantages of their opponent.

You’ll find lots of statistics online about the sustained turn rates (how quickly can the jet turn while maintaining the same airspeed) and instantaneous turn rate (how quickly can the jet turn ignoring any loss in airspeed). The fact is that these numbers are highly dependant on lots of contributing factors and will vary according to the dimension of the turn, how much fuel each jet is carrying, ordinance, altitude, speed, even temperature. This information is not known to the general public and any source which provides a single number for any turn rate is highly suspect in my opinion.

main-qimg-643e6ff0c3ba5d9c5a6bc441e2761fd9-lq

Illustration highlighting the difference between the canards of the Typhoon and the Rafale above

What we do know, purely from the close-coupled canard design of the Rafale, is that high lift takes priority over high speed manoeuvrability. High lift creates drag so in real terms, this means it is likely to loose more speed in the turn than the Typhoon. However, as a result it’s also likely to be able to turn tighter (instantaneous turn rate) and handle better at low speeds. The Typhoon on the other hand is expected to be able to maintain tight turns for longer (sustained turn rate), especially considering it’s superior thrust/drag to weight ratio. In simplistic theory the Rafale should be able to out-turn the Typhoon at the start of the fight (or in a low speed engagement) but will be in trouble if it doesn’t ‘kill’ the Typhoon quickly before it runs out of airspeed.

Thrust, drag, lift, and weight ratios are extremely complex but it’s generally accepted that the Typhoon has a better thrust/drag to weight ratio so maintaining and regaining energy (speed) is an advantage the Typhoon holds.

To conclude how the two compare in air to air; the superior speed at all altitudes and service ceiling gives the Typhoon the ability to control the fight. If the conditions do not favour an engagement it has the performance to disengage and re-position to maximise it’s strengths. This performance also provides superior range to it’s missiles and increases the probability of a successful ‘kill’.


In air to ground the situation is different. While the Typhoon has come a long way in A2G capability in the last few years the fact remains that the Rafale can carry more ordinance. This is undisputable and very desirable in a multi-role/swing-role/omni-role (take your pick from the marketing terms) fighter. It’s more than capable of defending itself and is a very good air superiority jet in it’s own right as well. The Typhoon does have a better operational range and super-cruise is a big benefit in the A2A role, but drop tanks make this relatively unimportant compared to the other points I’ve covered.

Other benefits the Rafale hold include a lower cost (disputable but generally accepted) than the Typhoon and the ability to operate from carriers. The latter being a huge benefit for force projection.


Overall, the Typhoon can control the air-to-air fight and will probably win against the Rafale more often than not. If you’re after a more rounded package the Rafale is, in my opinion, the worlds premier non-stealth strike fighter right now.

Watch this space though, aircraft upgrades happen all the time and all of this could change.





https://www.aviacionline.com/2022/07/raf-typhoon-fleet-to-receive-worlds-most-advanced-aesa-radar/?utm_content=cmp-true

As part of a £2.35 billion modernization program, RAF Typhoon fighters will be equipped with the advanced AESA ECRS Mk2 radar.


By the way where is your sixth generation aircraft?

Here is ours.

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Best possible answer :
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Europeans love delta wings and canards. But delta wings creates drags.
 
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I'm 57, so I remember very well the 1986 Farnborough air meeting, where EAP had to give its tour to Rafale because of a failure.... :yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:


That means you are an ignorant. Next subject please.


It is selled as ITAR Free.

What a wonderful response mon ami.
It gave a tour to you in order for you to understand how to make a great plane.
 
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