Philippine Air Force interested in Gripen

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Philippine Air Force interested in Gripen
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The Swedish Gripen supersonic fighter, is being considered in plans to modernize the Philippine Air Force (PAF).

During one interview conducted by the Philippines News Agency, this indicated that the Air Force pilots prefer the other Gripen fighter aircraft, due to its long range weaponry anti-ship missiles AR-AR and its low cost.

Saab representatives were in Manila last month to attend the annual symposium of the Air Force, held at Mall of Asia in Pasay City, and said very happy to sell the Gripen to the Philippines, that the aircraft is more cost effective, new generation, multi-function market.

With regard to cost, the Gripen is around $ 60 million, while its direct competitors can cost up to $ 80 million each, or more.

Thailand bought 12 Gripen, while Malaysia is also planning to buy the aircraft. The Swedish Air Force has more than 200 Gripens, South Africa has 26, 14 Hungary and the Czech Republic has 14 aircraft.

"The Gripen is the ultimate in operational efficiency, being able to meet a series of missions alone or as part of a broader defense network," said Saab.

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[ViXuyen]

Does Saab allow customers to license produce the aircraft? The PH should take full advantage of it if Gripen is allowed to license produce.

 

[scherz]

Does Saab allow customers to license produce the aircraft? The PH should take full advantage of it if Gripen is allowed to license produce.

I doubt that the PHs have the ability to copy these jets. Even in far future...

 

[Kompromat]

Does Saab allow customers to license produce the aircraft? The PH should take full advantage of it if Gripen is allowed to license produce.

It usually depends on how many jets a customer buys.

 

[shuttler]

@$ 6o million apiece - the price of a Su-30

 

[shuttler]

why are they not buying american planes?

 

[jhungary]

Does Saab allow customers to license produce the aircraft? The PH should take full advantage of it if Gripen is allowed to license produce.

Actually, no, SAAB does not hold the full license of Gripen, Gripen is a Swedish arms that were built using international component, Sweden themselves need to ask for permission to make more, how would thy grant license production of their aircraft when their parts are already licensed produced??

I doubt that the PHs have the ability to copy these jets. Even in far future...

If a ToT is involved, it's not copying, a simple Aircraft plant can roll out hundred of jets, as you are given all the technical aspect (Blue prints, know-how) and even SAAB will sent a team to help you, it will not be like China re-engineering Su-27, where you do from ground up.

@$ 6o million apiece - the price of a Su-30

Su-30 is not the same as Gripen, while both are multi-role fighter Country that buy Su-30 are generally put it into air dominance fighter, while they still maintain ground attack capability, they are not specialise in it. That's why your air force have somewhere about 100 SU-30 but still needed J-10 to perform multi-role.

why are they not buying american planes?

It's actually a watered down American plane, Swedish uses American tech to build it, and it's cheaper than a later version F-16.

All in all, Philippine only interested in the sale, not exactly the same as "Buying" them

 

[Fsjal]

I doubt that the PHs have the ability to copy these jets. Even in far future...

The Filipinos made a jet aircraft once, that was the closest to a fighter jet, even though it was pretty slow. I don't know the name of the jet though.
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Why buy the Gripen?

It's a good plane and all, but there are better planes such as Rafale, MiG-35, J-10B, F-2 and F-16E/F. These planes have good performance and better avionics (If I am correct)

Must be the price...

 

[Soryu]

Does Saab allow customers to license produce the aircraft? The PH should take full advantage of it if Gripen is allowed to license produce.

Even If Saab allow that, it'll made decades to do it. It's not easy to assembly modern aircarft, and it's only happen if PAF buy it with huge number, so, it has many problems ...

why are they not buying american planes?

price and operation cost, maybe.

 

[Soryu]

The Filipinos made a jet aircraft once, that was the closest to a fighter jet, even though it was pretty slow. I don't know the name of the jet though.
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Why buy the Gripen?

It's a good plane and all, but there are better planes such as Rafale, MiG-35, J-10B, F-2 and F-16E/F. These planes have good performance and better avionics (If I am correct)

Must be the price...

Those plane are best, but price tag for buy, maintance, training, operation ... will huge for PAF budget.

 

[Fsjal]

Does anyone know the price tag for Rafale, MiG-35, J-10, JF-17, F-2 and F-16E/F. Also the Gripen, don't forget.

 

[jhungary]

The Filipinos made a jet aircraft once, that was the closest to a fighter jet, even though it was pretty slow. I don't know the name of the jet though.
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Why buy the Gripen?

It's a good plane and all, but there are better planes such as Rafale, MiG-35, J-10B, F-2 and F-16E/F. These planes have good performance and better avionics (If I am correct)

Must be the price...

There are more to it.

First of all, they are only interested in, that does not mean they are literally buying, until the two country inked the deal, nothing is certain.

That said Gripen is the best deal they can get with around that money. The only other opponent is Rafale, but they have a bigger Op cost than Gripen, while others are in itself more expensive than the Gripen, F-2 cost somewhere 120-150 mil, F-16 Block 52 or later cost too much too (By the way there are no F-16 E/F, it's either ABC or D) and J-10B is not a production aircraft. Also given the tension between China and Phi, would you think the sale is possible? Even if they do made a functioning production J-10 B

 

[ViXuyen]

Actually, no, SAAB does not hold the full license of Gripen, Gripen is a Swedish arms that were built using international component, Sweden themselves need to ask for permission to make more, how would thy grant license production of their aircraft when their parts are already licensed produced??

I thought Gripen is a Swedish brand, they design the entire thing so they hold the right to the blue print of this plane?

Does anyone know how much the production line to fabricate the parts of a fighter airframe cost? I know those CNC machineries are very expensive; just curious.

 

[ViXuyen]

Does anyone know the price tag for Rafale, MiG-35, J-10, JF-17, F-2 and F-16E/F. Also the Gripen, don't forget.

Rafale $100 mil, Mig-35 $60 mil, JF-17 $20 mil, F-2 $100 mil, Gripen $100 mil

 

[jhungary]

I thought Gripen is a Swedish brand, they design the entire thing so they hold the right to the blue print of this plane?

Does anyone know how much the production line to fabricate the parts of a fighter airframe cost? I know those CNC machineries are very expensive; just curious.

Gripen is the item label, it's of Saab brand and yes, Saab is of Swedish Brand but the Volvo RM12 is not also the flight electronic coding and the PS-05A radar is not.

Basically Volvo RM12 Engine is a licensed copy of GE-F404 engine with certain upgrade, GE supply Volvo 60% of the parts and they make the other 40% and assemble the engine in Sweden.

Avionic Coding is a direct copy of US DoD ADA Program.

PS-05A radar is half owned by British Aerospace (BAe) under the name Marconi electronic, the same company also design the radar on Harrier and Eurofighter typhoon

Basically if Saab want to make more of those aircraft or engine, they are require to obtain permission from GE, US DoD and BAe for them to supply the spare parts.

In short, Gripen is a commercially build fighter using off the shelf component. It is not a sole creation of Swedish Engineering......

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